Abortion: For and Against

[noone1]

Chicks use to have to THINK before they let a cock slide into them, now its 'oh we'll just use a condom' and they'll fuck the night away.

Dude what the hell are you talking about. This has never been the case, ever. Humanity has always procreated like wild bunny rabbits except back then you got married first or hid it. If you look at history underground/blackmarket abortions have gone on since forever, hell since the caveman times even. Women would use herbs and shit to induce it.

While I don't agree with abortions in principle, i'm still prochoice and feel it should be made available. A mass of cells that survives off someone else has no rights and implying that it's the same as rape and murder is insulting to women.

As Bill Hicks said if you are so keen on the deaths of children get your nose out of other peoples cooters and start adopting the ones that are here and now if you are so worried about life.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

Ultimately, unless one of the partners has 100% working birth control, then dont have sex unless you are ready to have kids. Problem solved.

Not realistic at all.

Dude what the hell are you talking about. This has never been the case, ever. Humanity has always procreated like wild bunny rabbits except back then you got married first or hid it. If you look at history underground/blackmarket abortions have gone on since forever, hell since the caveman times even. Women would use herbs and shit to induce it.

Absolutely.

As Bill Hicks said if you are so keen on the deaths of children get your nose out of other peoples cooters and start adopting the ones that are here and now if you are so worried about life.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[streezy]

Me being Catholic, it is still undetermined when conception actually begins, so I'm kind of on the fence.

On the other hand, is it wasn't for abortion, the world would be extremely overpopulated!

 

[ThaiDie4]

You know what I detest?!

This idea which seems not-too-rare about all of these people spouting off about "NOT WANTING TO IMPOSE OUR MORALITY ON OTHER PEOPLE!"

I call BULLSHIT!

I dare any ONE of you to honestly post that you REALLY think that we should decriminalize RAPE or MURDER - after all - that's shoving your morality down other people's throats.

You actually raise a really good point that I didn't consider. I guess I view myself as open-minded on some issues, abortion being one, but no I would not agree that murder or rape is OK.

Oh well, those are my views, we all view the world subjectively in certain aspect that we are passionate about. I can't claim to *never* push my morals on others, because for "extreme" things like murder and rape I do not believe are acceptable. Abortion, however, is a subject that I am open minded about.

 

[sdubz]

CONTROL THE POPULATION.

for it.

and dont give me that shit about not having enough cash to have one.

 

[TGD]

I don't care if people get abortions or not. I agree with you OP, I don't know why someone would be so concerned about it, it's not their baby.

Are you really that void when it comes to altruism? I admit this is a hard question to answer. There are many things to consider when trying to conclude this issue.. Like - Will you be able to care for the baby and give it what it needs to grow? If not, does that justify never allowing it to be born? If I absolutely had to choose, I'd probably say yes it's ok in that situation.

But, putting human selfishness and greedyness aside, it might ultimately be wrong. I can't positively say.

I'm leaning towards allowing abortion if the parents truly can't afford to raise the child, which would end in suffering.

/shrug

 

[captainballs]

i'm a big proponent of adoption as opposed to outright abortion, but seriously some women have extremely difficult health issues already and would put both themselves and the child at risk should they follow through with giving birth. Others who are fully capable physically just aren't ready for one reason or another, and a fetus really is part of the mother's body just like the other organisms that are alive in every person's body. It's her right. The big problem I see sometimes in myself as a man is to put practicality over everything else and try to convince someone i got pregnant to get an abortion. I've never had to do this, but if I did and the girl did it and regretted it I'm pretty sure I would feel like an asshole for the rest of my life.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

You shouldn't. No matter how much someone tries to convince someone, in the end its her decision and her responsibility.

 

[claire22]

The male partner can put forth his opinion but it is all the womans decision really. It is her body - the man played a role but the fetus is not inside him. Period.

I never told my boyfriend I had an abortion. Twice with him. He would not be a suitable father at all and I wanted absolutely no ties with him.

I dislike it when the man tries to convince the girl to have an abortion. A female friend of mine fell pregnant to her psychotic boyfriend, and refused to get an abortion. He smacked her in the stomach with a cricket bat inducing miscarriage. She stayed with him. Fuckin' insane.

 

[captainballs]

^Jesus Christ, that's really fucked up. I think most people would just be a father, or not be a father and pay child support.

 

[footscrazy]

Chicks use to have to THINK before they let a cock slide into them, now its 'oh we'll just use a condom' and they'll fuck the night away.

Chicks are way sluttier now, what the hell are YOU talking about. People use to not sleep around heaps because STD's were a real thing and you couldnt just walk down to your doc's and pick up some anti biotics. Same as pregnancy, you couldnt just walk down to a chemist and pick up the pill or ECP. People DID use to have to actually think about the consequences before they slept with some random guy at a party, now its 'oh im on the pill' 'oh we'll just use a condom' and all that other shit. A perfect example is this chick i know.. shes 15 and has probably done sexual shit with about 20-30 guys. Shes on the injection that means she cant get pregnant as long as she gets it each month... you tihnk she would be sleeping around with all these guys if there were NO condoms, NO pills, NO std medicine, NO injections? 8)

Urgh Moonyham. I don't want to start calling names but... Your language is so misogynistic. Have you stopped for a second to think...maybe a man could think about these things to? (I doubt you have). Maybe, just maybe, the guy could stop before 'sliding his cock in' and think about the possibility of pregnancy - and if it's not 100% sure then he could stop despite the girl being 'slutty'? I mean seriously. 'Letting' a cock slide into them? These cocks are actually attached to human beings with brains, they don't just randomly slide into a chick. The owner of that cock is also deciding to put in there.

Your example of your 15yo friend is completely ridiculous. Sure, what's she's doing may be irresponsible, but it is just as irresponsible for her male partners to be sleeping with her - if not more, because I doubt all of them even know about her injection. At least she's using contraception.

 

[n3ophy7e]

^^ Yes I agree.
moonyham, your 15yo friend is NOT a typical example of a responsible sexually-active person, and she is also not an adult. It may surprise you to know that the majority of sexually-active adults in developed countries have the capacity (through knowledge, responsible attitude and facilities e.g. their GP, contraceptive devices etc) to make well-educated and premeditated decisions about sex. Sure there will always be exception to this, but as I said, the majority are sensible and responsible. Also, as it has been said already, it is not merely up to the female to carry out safe sex practices, it is up to the man as well.

People use to not sleep around heaps because STD's were a real thing

How do you know this? I think you'll find that people have "slept around" just as much through the ages, as they do today. Perhaps it's just more socially-acceptable to sleep around these days, therefore it isn't as hidden/kept underground.
Also, STDs are a very "real thing" these days. I'm not sure what the statistics in other countries are but in Australia HIV diagnoses are on the rise every year. And HIV/AIDS is absolutely rife in developing countries in Africa.



A few other scenarios (which I don't think have been mentioned yet?) in which abortion may be considered the most-humane outcome for the unborn child:
*rape cases
*if genetic tests show that the foetus has a serious congenital disorder e.g. Downs syndrome etc
*if the mother (unaware she is pregnant, quite common in early stages of pregnancy) has ingested quantities of substances known to harm an unborn foetus e.g. large amounts of alcohol, opiates, stimulants etc.

 

[Papa1]

*if genetic tests show that the foetus has a serious congenital disorder e.g. Downs syndrome etc

I agreed with pretty much everything else you said. But handicaps make a pretty scary reason for abortion imo - after all, executing someone because of their handicap would be touchy at best, so why abort for that reason? It might even make a case against screening for functioning mental handicaps like Downs syndrome.

 

[noone1]

Chicks are way sluttier now, what the hell are YOU talking about. People use to not sleep around heaps because STD's were a real thing and you couldnt just walk down to your doc's and pick up some anti biotics. Same as pregnancy, you couldnt just walk down to a chemist and pick up the pill or ECP. People DID use to have to actually think about the consequences before they slept with some random guy at a party, now its 'oh im on the pill' 'oh we'll just use a condom' and all that other shit. A perfect example is this chick i know.. shes 15 and has probably done sexual shit with about 20-30 guys. Shes on the injection that means she cant get pregnant as long as she gets it each month... you tihnk she would be sleeping around with all these guys if there were NO condoms, NO pills, NO std medicine, NO injections? 8)

I don't know how that says anything about "sluttiness" yes she would still be sleeping around even without all the contraceptives and std protection only she would probably be with one guy who of course because of doublestandards since the beginning of history would be allowed to be with as many women as he can to give her an std and if she did get pregnant she would just go and grab the trusty coathanger like her foremothers or be put into a forced marriage. That you don't mention guys at all in your post says a lot about your maturity "oh noes the slutty girlz" I bet your one of those guys that obsesses over how many dudes your chick has banged and is against feminism.

Anyways back then people would risk the stds and the pregnancies despite there being no protection, the only difference is the culture. In fact there are large swatches of history where stds where of little concern it wasn't really till the 80's with aids that having sex could be really deadly.

Also I noticed your argument boils down to "lets get rid of condoms, abortions, contraceptives, std medication because it lets people be sexual and that makes me uncomofortable, so what if there will be millions of unwanted births and tons of medical casualties at least people will think about what they are doing and society will be more prudish" which is a really disgusting point of view to have but hey everyones entitled to their opinions.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

I agreed with pretty much everything else you said. But handicaps make a pretty scary reason for abortion imo - after all, executing someone because of their handicap would be touchy at best, so why abort for that reason? It might even make a case against screening for functioning mental handicaps like Downs syndrome.

A lot of people wouldn't want to raise a handicapped kid, myself included. If I knew it as going to be messed up(in a serious way), I'd abort, no doubt. I won't be responsible for bringing someone into that kind of life. No way, never. And on the selfish side of things, I simply wouldn't want to/couldn't deal with that. There are strong people in this world who can give a lot and raise retarded kids, and I admire that a lot but I'm self aware enough to know that isn't me.

 

[n3ophy7e]

I agreed with pretty much everything else you said. But handicaps make a pretty scary reason for abortion imo - after all, executing someone because of their handicap would be touchy at best, so why abort for that reason? It might even make a case against screening for functioning mental handicaps like Downs syndrome.

If the disability is going to significantly negatively affect the wellbeing and quality of the child's life, then in my opinion it is in the best interests of the unborn child to abort it.

Sure there are a lot of people who live comfortable and happy lives with congenital disorders, but there are also a lot who live with a greatly reduced quality of life due to their disorder. If something can be done to avoid that situation then in my opinion it is our responsibility to do so.

 

[Papa1]

There's a difference between extremely debilitating handicaps and something like Downs syndrome. I'm uncomfortable aborting for a non-debilitating handicap; I feel like it somehow implies that the handicapped are less valuable or less likely to be loved. Especially with Downs syndrome, in a loving and supporting environment people with handicaps can flourish, and I know it first hand. I'm not saying this of anyone on the board, but it seems a general point of view that a handicapped person is just an inferior person. They're not, and their voices are as important anyone else's. Prevailing opinion just tends to prevent them from showing it.

What does it say to the people living with handicaps when it's used as a reason to abort? If we're talking about increasing overall quality of life and well being, I think it's our responsibility to love every human being as best we can.

(Sorry to sound uptight, but "retard" is a pejorative like "faggot" or "nigger".)

 

[Lysis]

I know I would abort in any handicap situation because I'm not cut out to raise a child like that. I know a lot of people would disagree, but I've also never considered an unborn mass of cells life. I also think that it's in the minority for retarded people to have a healthy life. I think it depends on finances, for one thing. If the parents have a lot of time and money then it can be happy, but a lot of people don't have a lot of money and many have dual incomes just to pay the mortgage every month. Having a child with a serious defect would make life miserable. Of course, I haven't been put in the situation, but I'm pretty positive if I were, I would abort.

 

[moonyham]

retard isnt the same as fagget and nigger. Retard is short for 'retardation'.... its not like fagget is short for a perfectly legit and PC word like 'faggetation' or some shit or nigger is short for 'niggerite'... those are strait derogatory words designed and intended when used to be offensive and slanderous.

Just cause people might say 'man that guys a retard' when someone does something stupid, doesnt mean its instantly a derogatory word. People use a wide array of words that are used in everyday life in perfectly fine and un-offensive ways for the use in describing something in offensive context. Like 'fuck off' and 'i wanna fuck my gf but shes being bad buzz'.

When i use the word 'retard' its in the context you'd use 'disabled person'. Im just not some push over PC idiot who wants to cater to every dick and his dogs needs. If someone gets offended by me using words to describe something in an unslanderous/unoffensive way.. well you know what? Thats there problem.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

There's a difference between extremely debilitating handicaps and something like Downs syndrome. I'm uncomfortable aborting for a non-debilitating handicap; I feel like it somehow implies that the handicapped are less valuable or less likely to be loved. Especially with Downs syndrome, in a loving and supporting environment people with handicaps can flourish, and I know it first hand. I'm not saying this of anyone on the board, but it seems a general point of view that a handicapped person is just an inferior person. They're not, and their voices are as important anyone else's. Prevailing opinion just tends to prevent them from showing it.

What does it say to the people living with handicaps when it's used as a reason to abort? If we're talking about increasing overall quality of life and well being, I think it's our responsibility to love every human being as best we can.

(Sorry to sound uptight, but "retard" is a pejorative like "faggot" or "nigger".)

You're a compassionate person, and I admire you.
And I don't think retarded people who are born are less worth beings.
But if I could stop it from happening to someone, I would, that's MY form of compassion, you see? You can't deny that it's going to be a rough life for someone born retarded.. right?

And there is no way I would want to raise someone with downs.. I know that sounds mean.. but I want really, really smart children.. it's really important to me. I'd rather have children the way I want them or not at all.

I so admire parents who have the strength to raise handicapped children though, really! Takes such love and compassion. I don't know how they do it.