Aborigines

[THR!]

No, but that's irrelevant. I could be, I choose not to be. I don't think your country realises how advantaged you are by foreigners who come to work here. Most are generally skilled and hard working. That's exactly the sort of people the Australian government wants to attract - therefore I have every right to be here.

Anyway, it's your ancestors that fucked it all up, not mine. At least we made peace with our indigenous people long ago.

 

[MR Candyslut]

No it's not, it is quite relevant

And if you are not even an Australian citizen, you should keep your fucking mouth shut about the traditional owners of this land. Who cares if you 'could' be an Australian citizen. Who cares whose ancestors screwed over indigenous people.

Australian citizens who are racist towards the original inhabitants of Australia are bad enough. But for a person who is not even Australian to have the balls to call the traditional owners of this country 'half-men, more ape" (oh, that post has been deleted by the way)?????

Show some fucking respect.

As KB said, perhaps you could return back to NZ and take a look at the Waitangi Treaty - that might give you a better idea of how you should be talking about the indigenous inhabitants of this country.

 

[up all night]

I don't think it matters whether THR is Australian or not. He's living here at the moment so he might as well be Australian. As he said, he has every right to be here and the only difference between him and the rest of us is that he doesn't have a say in how this country is run.

Anyway, it's your ancestors that fucked it all up, not mine. At least we made peace with our indigenous people long ago.

You're right, NZ is definitely much further along in terms of compensating their indigenous people for the way they were treated and I bet this has everything to do with the fact the Crown actually said sorry. As Candyslut implied, you're nowhere near completely 'at peace' though.

I think saying that it was our ancestors that fucked it up rather than yours is pretty laughable considering I bet you're just as closely related to those ancestors as a lot of people who identify as Australian.

 

[MR Candyslut]

^ I totally agree, he has every right to be here UAN and is obviously more than entitled to his own opinion on issues.

There is obviously, however, a difference between holding an opinion (even if this is a racist one) and calling the original inhabitants of this country 'half men, more ape" when he is not even a citizen!

My point was more to show some respect, not 'don't have an opinion just because you are from NZ."

 

[up all night]

I know what you're saying, I just don't think it he needs to show more respect than the average Australian just because of where he was born! I really don't see how it matters in the slightest.

Everyone (including me) is coming down on THR pretty hard, and I don't really think it's achieving anything. I like THR and I would rather people voice their opinion than not.

 

[chopped_chimp]

According to Wikipedia the odds of having an Aboriginal Poster in Aussie Social are fairly low.

In order to contribute to Wikipedia, a user must have access to both a computer and Internet access and be able to use them. Most of the world's population does not and their views and experience are not directly represented. This includes the developing nations, the population at a lower socio-economic level within industrialized countries and those with disabilities and elderly people. In most countries, minority ethnic and linguistic groups have disproportionately less access to information technology and education than the majority group. This includes, among many others, the First Nations of Canada, the Aborigines of Australia, and economically weaker sections of India.

I found this page when I was searching for the definition for Political Correctness.

Political correctness (also politically correct or PC) is a term used to describe language, or behavior, which is claimed to be calculated to provide a minimum of offense, particularly to the racial, cultural, or other identity groups being described. The concept is not exclusive to the English language. A text that conforms to the ideals of political correctness is said to be politically correct.

I think people should be allowed to provide any view they want, even if it povides a high level of offence. We can't travel through our lives pretending that everyone thinks the same.

In my opinion, thats far more dangerous than having everything out in the open.

Discussion boards should be for discussion. Not judging people.

 

[MR Candyslut]

As much as i may tell people to shutup, i would also rather people have their own opinion, as long as that opinion is not articulated in a way that is intentionally offensive.

I did not take offense at him having an opinion that is different to mine. I took offense at him calling them "half men/half ape." That is not an opinion; this is just intentionally rude and fucking inappropriate (even allowing for the contentious nature of this thread).

There is a difference, IMO.

Anwyay, this is all OT. Sorry.

 

[zephyr]

According to Wikipedia the odds of having an Aboriginal Poster in Aussie Social are fairly low.


I found this page when I was searching for the definition for Political Correctness.


I think people should be allowed to provide any view they want, even if it povides a high level of offence. We can't travel through our lives pretending that everyone thinks the same.

In my opinion, thats far more dangerous than having everything out in the open.

Discussion boards should be for discussion. Not judging people.

There are part Aboriginals that I know of posting around Aus Social...

I used to go out with a really great guy who was half aboriginal. God he was fantastic . My ex hubby was Phillipino and was often mistaken for being Maori or Aboriginal as he was a big dark mofo who wore hoodies *OMG!* and for that reason was picked on a LOT by police- therefore developed an inderstandable hatred of them, and his attitude against the pigs made it worse.

I am kind of blind to the whole difference in race thing....where I grew up in the Pilbara, my best mate was Aboriginal- full blood- had 5 older brothers, we used to play together every day after school. I had absolutely no idea whatsoever they they were aboriginal at all. Kids dont care about racial differences unless they are taught to by adults.

Meh to this whole thread and the whole issue. We are the fucking same (some differences as below). The only way to get things on track is a lot of understanding between the two sides.

Theres two different types of human- ones who coexist with their own environment and learn to live a sustainable life within it (Aboriginals) and those who conquer and plunder as much as they can as they CANT seem to grasp the fact that resources need to be used with caution (Europeans).

Australia was always going to be invaded by someone else- the Spanish, the French, but the English got there first. Theyve done it to other countries and even now we are fighting wars over territory. We are our own worst enemy.

If we lived like the Aboriginals did, wed have a chance of living longer.

 

[chopped_chimp]

I did not take offense at him having an opinion that is different to mine. I took offense at him calling them "half men/half ape." That is not an opinion; this is just intentionally rude and fucking inappropriate (even allowing for the contentious nature of this thread).

There is a difference, IMO.

Anwyay, this is all OT. Sorry.

In retrospect I apoligise for laughing at that joke

 

[preacha]

If we lived like the Aboriginals did, wed have a chance of living longer.

flawed reasoning.
we did live like the aboriginals............a couple of millenniums before we arrived in australia.

 

[zephyr]

^ ^ then we stopped, hence my comment.

 

[up all night]

We didn't just 'stop'. We progressed.

Here's a question for people: Do you think Aborigines who live in a traditional way should be subject to Australian laws and punishments?

 

[KemicalBurn]

Everyone (including me) is coming down on THR pretty hard, and I don't really think it's achieving anything.

boo-fucking-hoo.


i dont think he has "every right" to be in here. Let him say that shit to an aboriginal's face and see how long that worthless piece of shit stays in this country.

 

[zephyr]

^ UAN: you have really been stating the obvious lately. Of course we "progressed". Derr.

Past my bedtime and this thread still sucks.

Have fun kids!

 

[THR!]

Ok, ... so since I'm not Australian I don't have a right to an opinion? Now who's become the oppressor? And to be honest, I find it laughable that you think only Australian's are permitted to comment on anything related to aboriginals.

I've already conceded my point might have been out of line. As chopped chimp says, he found it to be a joke at the time, which is what it was intended to be - not the crux of an argument. It has been slightly taken out of context and really, you are completely overreacting.

But regardless of who is first, second, third generation Australian, or not even at all, there is no way anyone should be restricting the ability for anyone to have an opinion.

 

[THR!]

boo-fucking-hoo.


i dont think he has "every right" to be in here. Let him say that shit to an aboriginal's face and see how long that worthless piece of shit stays in this country.

Aah, yes, I do. And now you're just being downright offensive 8)

(And exemplifying prejudice yourself if you have to imply that I would receive a violent response.)

 

[up all night]

zephyr: Thought I'd just point that out since I wasn't sure you'd caught on. Progression is generally a positive term but noone's stopping you from going out and catching some wichetty grubs if you really think we'd be better off.

KB: It's not a crime for an asshole to voice their opinion, KB. You of all people should know that.

 

[MR Candyslut]

Who said you weren't allowed an opinion??

No one ( well, at least not me) is talking about an opinion, racist or otherwise. I was talking about showing some respect when you choose to voice that opinion.

Might have been out of line? Dude, it was fucking disgusting and you know it. And really, you might think that they are ugly, ape-like etc etc, but how did such an offensive comment contribute to the issue at all?

It didn't. And that was my issue.

ps zephyr, i think you would look really fucking hot doing a wichetty grub dance.

 

[THR!]

^ Just drop it then. I hadn't intended for it to be taken that seriously or cause this much angst. If you knew me, you'd know that. With that exception, I think I've actually made some valid points.

 

[MR Candyslut]

Fair enough.