Aboriginal people and alcohol: Not a genetic predisposition

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Makes sense. If you go to Australia or NZ their aboriginal peoples have high rate of alcoholism too and they have totally different genes. It depresses me to see immigrants come here and have nothing but success yet the natives are stuck in a unending cycle of poverty. I would rather be born into a US ghetto than a Canadian Indian reserve.


Aboriginal people and alcohol: Not a genetic predisposition

Social conditions create a predisposition for alcoholism, medical expert says, not genetics


This passage in a brochure for Laurie River Lodge, a fishing lodge in Manitoba, sparked public backlash for advising clients against giving First Nations guides alcohol because they have a 'basic intolerance' for it. The brochure has since been removed from the lodge's website. (CBC)



The stereotype that aboriginal people have a genetic intolerance to alcohol persists in Canada and around the world, but a Manitoba medical expert says studies show a possible predisposition to alcoholism really boils down to social conditions such as poverty — and that, says Dr. Joel Kettner, is what people should focus on addressing.

A Manitoba fishing lodge sparked a storm of controversy this week when one of its brochures advised clients against giving First Nations guides alcohol because they have a "basic intolerance for alcohol."

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But there is no scientific evidence that supports a genetic predisposition for alcohol intolerance in the aboriginal population, said Kettner, an associate professor at the University of Manitoba's faculty of medicine and the province’s former chief public health officer.
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There is no scientific evidence that supports a genetic predisposition for alcohol intolerance in the aboriginal population, says Dr. Joel Kettner. (CBC)

​The owner of Laurie River Lodge has apologized and removed the brochure in question from its website, but the stereotype seems to persist. CBC News has heard from readers who suggested that aboriginal people are missing an enzyme or are genetically predisposed to addiction.

"There will always be theories and research that will try and explain some of this in the way of genetics, as was the case in Germany in the '30s and the case in the U.S. comparing Negro brains and white brains," Kettner said in an interview Friday.


Kettner points out that there have been studies examining differences in alcohol tolerance for different ethnic groups, taking into account cultural, geographic and racial factors.

But when it comes to possible predisposition for alcoholism, "what those really boil down to, in almost all scientific analysis, is the social circumstances and social conditions — whether experiences with family, community or at a larger level, in society," he said.

"There are many indigenous populations around the world that have been colonized and oppressed by settlers where we have seen the same patterns of poverty, of poor housing, disenfranchisement," he added.

"There is increasing evidence that these are the factors that lead to poor individual health, poor social health, poor community health, and these are what we need to focus our attention on."

Kettner said there are also studies that show high rates of alcohol-related diseases and injuries in some communities, both urban and rural, where there is a large aboriginal population.

'Maybe we should be doing genetic analysis on people who continue to perpetuate stereotypical and racist myths.'— Dr. Joel Kettner

But he noted that "those trends are there with other populations, including Caucasian populations, in similar circumstances of disadvantage, or poverty or inter-generational experience."

For Kettner, the persistence of the genetic stereotype is evidence that there is still much work to do in combating racism.

From a public health perspective, he said, it is an indication that there are educational, social and political issues that need to be addressed.

“Maybe we should turn the question around,” Kettner said.

“I know it might sound facetious, but maybe we should be doing genetic analysis on people who continue to perpetuate stereotypical and racist myths.”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/aboriginal/a...lcohol-not-a-genetic-predisposition-1.2660167
 
Native people that lived for a long period without access to alcohol seem to have allot of troubles with it.. native reservations home to many different tribes from the lower 48, canada, and alaska have very high rates of alcoholism. In some places the percentage is almost 100%.

I have had two white friends who took peyote and never came back.. both killed themselves.. the differentiating effects of drugs across races may be do to long term exposure over generations and the process of natural selection.
 
Great article, it definitely makes sense when you assess the aspects of transgenerational trauma suffered by native Americans that resulted from their oppression. Tax exemption and free university won't appease this type of pain.
 
People in Europe, Asia, and North Africa have been using alcohol for thousands of years, which has enabled genetic selection for the ability to tolerate the neurotoxin, at least to some extent, but this is not so for the aboriginal peoples of other places.
 
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I have had two white friends who took peyote and never came back.. both killed themselves..
Is mescaline really that dangerous? I always thought it was unique in not being associated with psychosis, flashbacks and post traumatic symptoms and all the things that supposedly happen due to taking acid etc.
 
I don't know that much about it as one of my friends was young and so was I when this happened and it turned me off from looking into that drug. It may have just been a case of the drug triggering underlying mental illness. But both traveled to the southwest US and took peyote in a sweat lodge setting. They both never came back from the experience.
 
Sounds like the sort of thing that Jimson weed would do more than Mescaline. There are plenty of people taking Peruvian Torch chips etc around the world so it is a lot more accessible to a variety different races that it used to be. Having said that, I know someone who has a severe IBS reaction to it, but then they also do to quinoa.

Also peyote only grows in certain parts of America and most likely previous generations would only have even heard of it if they lived in those areas. I am guessing that until recently only a few people in any culture actually travelled very far do to the lack of available transport (except to the wealthy). Most of us probably never ventured much further than the next village. Now native American people can take peyote for religious purposes even if they live in the northern states, far away from where it actually grows naturally.

So I'm not sure natural selection could really apply here since, if my assumptions are correct, such a small proportion of the population was exposed to peyote at any time.
 
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I was of the understanding that they do not metabolize alcohol as effectively so they get drunk easier due to a difference in the isoenzyme of alcohol dehydrogenase.
 
Also peyote only grows in certain parts of America and most likely previous generations would only have even heard of it if they lived in those areas. I am guessing that until recently only a few people in any culture actually travelled very far do to the lack of available transport (except to the wealthy). Most of us probably never ventured much further than the next village. Now native American people can take peyote for religious purposes even if they live in the northern states, far away from where it actually grows naturally.

So I'm not sure natural selection could really apply here since, if my assumptions are correct, such a small proportion of the population was exposed to peyote at any time.

Until pretty recent times, I remeber reading 20 miles or 32 km the average distance.. away from the place a person was born people traveled in a lifetime.
 
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