Misc Abdominal pain

[pnillyg]

Wassup BL fam…

I live with chronic pain, never been diagnosed but seen hundreds of doctors (yes hundreds) and never found an answer. My two main chronic issues are abdominal pain in the upper/middle left quadrant of my body. Right where your ribs meet in the middle and wraps through there could be a rib or my stomach kind of a thing. I’m reaching out for supplements, medications, and any suggestions as far as treatments you would recommend. What I have found helpful for it so far is opiates (obviously), benzos (but more specifically diazepam assuming because it has muscle relaxant properties), ketamine, kratom, and most recently Cyclobenzaprine (flexeril) and even sometimes lidocaine/menthol topical patches… I cycle through them to avoid tolerance and dependence but the pain still breaks through most compounds less potent than oxycodone or hydrocodone, and sometimes diazepam if I don’t take enough. Ketamine usually works but I have to take so much that I’m immobile… I need something that will keep me on my feet while battling a crippling pain in my abdomen that comes and goes cyclically. Any advice?

Ps: when the pains bad, the mental health is too as I’m sure some of you have experienced them complimenting one another in a rather negative and painful way…

Anything will be appreciated… it’s been a long road and each flair up the road gets longer

Peace and love yall

 

[LucidSDreamr]

sorry to hear of your experience with chronic pain. This sounds like an incredibly hard way to live.

I would avoid ketamine because it will eventually leave you with organ damage an further chronic pain and dysfunction.

The other drugs like opiates might be your best bet though

 

[pnillyg]

sorry to hear of your experience with chronic pain. This sounds like an incredibly hard way to live.

I would avoid ketamine because it will eventually leave you with organ damage an further chronic pain and dysfunction.

The other drugs like opiates might be your best bet though

Unfortunately when I was a lad I ODd on a fake m30 (first time I ever took one landing me in a 5 day coma from fetty) so I am unable to get prescribed opiates now hence why kratom came along… so looking for alternatives because that was 8 years ago - no doctors will give me anything but buprenorphine as they believe I’m seeking a high when I’m actually just seeking relive with some bad luck in my past

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Unfortunately when I was a lad I ODd on a fake m30 (first time I ever took one landing me in a 5 day coma from fetty) so I am unable to get prescribed opiates now hence why kratom came along… so looking for alternatives because that was 8 years ago - no doctors will give me anything but buprenorphine as they believe I’m seeking a high when I’m actually just seeking relive with some bad luck in my past

Sounds like you are in the US. If that’s the case, depending where you are, you might be able to get out on methadone maintenance addiction therapy and get huge painkilling methadone doses, it’s bar to entry is pretty low, you will just be labeled an addict but will get way bigger doses than a pain patient ever would

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Unfortunately when I was a lad I ODd on a fake m30 (first time I ever took one landing me in a 5 day coma from fetty) so I am unable to get prescribed opiates now hence why kratom came along… so looking for alternatives because that was 8 years ago - no doctors will give me anything but buprenorphine as they believe I’m seeking a high when I’m actually just seeking relive with some bad luck in my past

Sounds like you are in the US. If that’s the case, depending where you are, you might be able to get out on methadone maintenance addiction therapy and get huge painkilling methadone doses, it’s bar to entry is pretty low, you will just be labeled an addict but will get way bigger doses than a pain patient would.

 

[daturetard]

Unfortunately when I was a lad I ODd on a fake m30 (first time I ever took one landing me in a 5 day coma from fetty) so I am unable to get prescribed opiates now hence why kratom came along… so looking for alternatives because that was 8 years ago - no doctors will give me anything but buprenorphine as they believe I’m seeking a high when I’m actually just seeking relive with some bad luck in my past

Horrifically depressing reason to decline somebody such an essential medicine. "Do no harm" my ass. Its possible to get methadone and its better than nothing. You could eat poppyseeds to test positive for the drug test at which point they would I think have to prescribe it to you for addiction. It's easy as fuck to fake if you go to one of them specific clinics doctors, it's like a hundred bucks, which is a lot, but that's the appointment. The prescription should be cheap with insurance.
The main thing about it is that they have you chained up like a dog and you gotta go to the clinic everyday to grab your fix. I wonder if they watch you take it or if you could put it in a little jar to save for when you need it so as to not get addicted? Like put it in your cheek till you walk out and then spit it into a vial? Idk, I'm maniacally plotting.

 

[pnillyg]

Sounds like you are in the US. If that’s the case, depending where you are, you might be able to get out on methadone maintenance addiction therapy and get huge painkilling methadone doses, it’s bar to entry is pretty low, you will just be labeled an addict but will get way bigger doses than a pain patient ever would

Already am red flagged in the system as an addict … and have a bupe prescription but been off it for a year. Was hellish coming off but need some relief. That may work better than kratom thinking of trying that again but instead of for mental addiction this time for pain. Just gotta say it’s for addiction ironically

 

[pnillyg]

Horrifically depressing reason to decline somebody such an essential medicine. "Do no harm" my ass. Its possible to get methadone and its better than nothing. You could eat poppyseeds to test positive for the drug test at which point they would I think have to prescribe it to you for addiction. It's easy as fuck to fake if you go to one of them specific clinics doctors, it's like a hundred bucks, which is a lot, but that's the appointment. The prescription should be cheap with insurance.
The main thing about it is that they have you chained up like a dog and you gotta go to the clinic everyday to grab your fix. I wonder if they watch you take it or if you could put it in a little jar to save for when you need it so as to not get addicted? Like put it in your cheek till you walk out and then spit it into a vial? Idk, I'm maniacally plotting.

In the US it’s taken in front of them I believe and I’ve heard it’s hard to get take homes. I good at checking pills but idk if I could check liquid methadone…

 

[pnillyg]

Sounds like you are in the US. If that’s the case, depending where you are, you might be able to get out on methadone maintenance addiction therapy and get huge painkilling methadone doses, it’s bar to entry is pretty low, you will just be labeled an addict but will get way bigger doses than a pain patient would.

I can very easily test positive for opiates lol, have a few left from an old script but would be hard to impossible to get more, plus, it’s only 10mg hydrocodone and like 12 per month (when I was taking 500mg oxy a day it worked but that connect is gone and I’m not trying to get a new one with all the fetty, nitazines etc out there)

 

[heliologean]

I can very easily test positive for opiates lol, have a few left from an old script but would be hard to impossible to get more, plus, it’s only 10mg hydrocodone and like 12 per month (when I was taking 500mg oxy a day it worked but that connect is gone and I’m not trying to get a new one with all the fetty, nitazines etc out there)

As someone who was on 100mg+ of methadone for years I just have to note that it loses it's analgesic properties when taken at those doses for significant periods of time. Opiates generally will stop being effective painkillers when used consistently, this is why they're not suitable for most cases of chronic pain as escalating doses will be required to achieve the same effect.

You said taking diazepam helped probably due to it's muscle relaxing effects, have you noticed the pain getting better or worse at any specific times of day? It sounds like some type of muscle tension to me, I've had similar unexplained chronic pain for years that turned out to be subconscious muscle tension, it went away when I *got better* mentally/drug use wise.

I guess my point is that if this is only about the pain there are other things you could look into maybe? Methadone is a helluva drug, most everyone I know that got on it at MMT doses have expressed regret about starting it to me (myself included, it's taken over a year of hell to get off of it).

 

[LucidSDreamr]

As someone who was on 100mg+ of methadone for years I just have to note that it loses it's analgesic properties when taken at those doses for significant periods of time. Opiates generally will stop being effective painkillers when used consistently, this is why they're not suitable for most cases of chronic pain as escalating doses will be required to achieve the same effect.

You said taking diazepam helped probably due to it's muscle relaxing effects, have you noticed the pain getting better or worse at any specific times of day? It sounds like some type of muscle tension to me, I've had similar unexplained chronic pain for years that turned out to be subconscious muscle tension, it went away when I *got better* mentally/drug use wise.

I guess my point is that if this is only about the pain there are other things you could look into maybe? Methadone is a helluva drug, most everyone I know that got on it at MMT doses have expressed regret about starting it to me (myself included, it's taken over a year of hell to get off of it).

I’ve been on the same 10 mg per day dose for 19 years for chronic pain.

It still works when my pain gets bad and I haven’t needed a dose raise in ten years.

Your viewpoint re chronic pain and opioids (which is both supported and disproven in the scientific literature, I can provide dozens of studies proving the latter ) dictates that I should t have my 10 ‘mg of methadone that has stabilized my life because you say it doesn’t work?

If I lose that prescription I become disabled and don’t pay taxes or work anymore. Right now I make a lot, work full time, and pay a lot of taxes.

Some of you keep saying ppl should not ne on these drugs, ironically none of you have sucidical inducing chronic pain for life. You have an interest in sticking your nose into drug policy in a niche area (pain medicine) that you have nothing to do with, zero professional medical expertise in, and that this fentanyl epidemic has nothing to do with. I don’t get where the motivation comes from except just hating ppl you think are getting high for their own enjoyment when their lives are the farthest thing for a party

 

[pnillyg]

I’ve been on the same 10 mg per day dose for 19 years for chronic pain.

It still works when my pain gets bad and I haven’t needed a dose raise in ten years.

Your viewpoint re chronic pain and opioids (which is both supported and disproven in the scientific literature, I can provide dozens of studies proving the latter ) dictates that I should t have my 10 ‘mg of methadone that has stabilized my life because you say it doesn’t work?

If I lose that prescription I become disabled and don’t pay taxes or work anymore. Right now I make a lot, work full time, and pay a lot of taxes.

Some of you keep saying ppl should not ne on these drugs, ironically none of you have sucidical inducing chronic pain for life. You have an interest in sticking your nose into drug policy in a niche area (pain medicine) that you have nothing to do with, zero professional medical expertise in, and that this fentanyl epidemic has nothing to do with. I don’t get where the motivation comes from except just hating ppl you think are getting high for their own enjoyment when their lives are the farthest thing for a party

I have pain that regardless of how my life is going holds me back causing extreme depression and anxiety. Without the pain there would be no reason to use pain meds. I am not addicted to them mentally anymore. I have the choice to use and I chose not to right now. But the pain has been worse recently. And that’s making me consider Suboxone because I don’t know got to get methadone and again like I said, drs won’t prescribe me real opiates due to my history (or what they believe it to be) … it’s brutal. Hence why I’m considering going on two of the hardest drugs to come off (I’ve been on subs several time 16mg and jumped off from there) was hell and that shows how much pain I’m in now. Willing to do it all over again.

 

[pnillyg]

Well the doctors so far won’t give me opiates. Only buprenorphine, methadone “clinics, or ketamine…. Then kratom and poppy seed tea are my options I can acquire separately. Wtf do I do I’m really hurting today. This flair up is bad. Have a few hydrocodone left but shit I feel like I’ll never be able to get them again so if I take them and they work, when I’m out. I’m out for good. I hate the pain management system here