A year ago today they took my daughter away....

[Miss Kirsty]

On April the 13th last year as I arrived home from shopping at Coles... Approachng my house i could see a police car out the front..Not giving a toss i went on my merry way and pulled up...
My daughter and i on the drive home (half hour) had been taking about what we were going to do this school holidays...I had owned my own business all my childs life and had been a very hard worker..So we were happy that this was the first school hols in her life that i would be there and not be tired...So we were chatting about that..
The cop walked up to me and said " I am here with Docs and they have an order to remove your daughter!...I said WTF! Your kidding right?
I said its a drug claim right (I had been on soboxone for a year at this time)?...And cop said No, There has been a report that has nothing to do with drugs made about you today..The report was a lie..
Anyway i was capsicum sprayed while the 7 foot cop sat on my back on the front lawn of my house in the dead centre of town..It took half an hour to subdue and steal my daughter..She was put into a 4wd and i watched them speed off down the road with her...I had no clue to where they were taking her...Anyway all this resulted out of a false report made by a cunt, who wanted me out of business...I so dont use THAT word often..sorry if i offend anyone but thats what she is and i will call nothing other!
Anyway guys, I got my daughter back 5 harrowing days later in court, where a judge saw it was a freaking false call and ordered my girl to be returned to me in 15 mins...I am lucky, though i dont feel it...My problem is....it could happen again..anytime at all they can come into my home and remove my baby at anytime they please, as docs are a law unto themselves in NSW, AUstralia..
I live in utter fear of them returning...I live in a daze sometimes...I am way to scared to get professional help as these guys are all in it together and they could use the fact that i need help against me...So i cant do anything except sit at home and wait and see if they come again..Every knock freaks me out..I haver no friends so no one knocks...but when someone does, i shit myself...My daughter hid the other week when someone knocked on our door..(It was the police to summons me back to NSW for assulting the cop who sprayed me the day they took my baby..)...My daughter hid and it took me ten mins to find her and our doggy hiding in locked shed outside...
I just dont know what to do anymore...I have no trust in the system or the health care pros..Noone...

 

[DeathDomokun]

It's quite unfortunate that you've been treating in such a manner and you shouldn't be fearful of people meddling...
You and your daughter should feel safe/secure in your own home.
When there's a problem like this I really don't know what to suggest.. I mean one way to look at it is "Can I do anything about it?"
If the answer is yes, then do what you can. If the answer is no, make the most of/appreciate what you've got while you've got it.
I really hope there's something you can do as this is wrong.
I don't know if this link is of any help to you but http://www.nla.aust.net.au/

 

[Vaya]

Lord.

Miss Kirsty, it sounds as though you might be showing some signs of PTSD.

....and frankly, I wouldn't blame you.....

How horrific. I am so terribly sorry you had to endure that!
I would seek professional help. It's confidential, so these "people" (who are they again? the people who filed the false report?) will never know about it. I would get assessed, because you seem uncharacteristically anxious at the moment. Unless you have a specific reason to believe that authorities may return to your house to remove your daughter, I believe your mind has begun to run away with itself! Arrest that mind gone AWOL as soon as you can.

The PTSD notion aside, I would have sought some form of therapy (like CBT) after such a traumatizing event
You're in my thoughts and I hope that you find serenity soon.

((hugs))

~ Vaya

 

[Miss Kirsty]

Hi Vaya...Thanks...Yes indeed i do have PTSD...the "they" that i refer to are the people employed in similar professions that are linked to docs...They are indeed the very departments that are suposed to be there to help us..They encourage us to come to them with our problems, then turn them and our problems are used against us..
I am aware of many reports from people who have had children removed simply because they have been diagnosed with a mental illness...I dont feel comfortable asking anyone for any mental health help i need...Therefore i do this alone...And every day i worry that the very person who first made the report, might just be bored or be high or be vindictive or hear i am doing well through other mutual friends and she might again decide to play havock with my family...Or she might ask a mate to ring docs and make up a false allegation against me...its very real Vaya and very scary for me...Its certainly not in my head...

THanks for the hugs vaya!
And death....I am on my way to where the link goes now! Thank you too!

 

[Miss Kirsty]

Unless you have a specific reason to believe that authorities may return to your house to remove your daughter, I believe your mind has begun to run away with itself! Arrest that mind gone AWOL as soon as you can.
((hugs))

~ Vaya

Vaya, They had no reason in the first place...Not one shred of evidence (they dont need any)...and a ludicris unsubstanciated report...

 

[Vaya]

If you are suffering this badly - and I don't doubt at all that you are - I highly suggest giving up the following notion...

I am aware of many reports from people who have had children removed simply because they have been diagnosed with a mental illness...I dont feel comfortable asking anyone for any mental health help i need...Therefore i do this alone...

...because it is irrational. Do you want to be an adequate parent for your child? The prerequisite is that you, yourself are stable enough to care for her. Do this, both for her, but don't forget you.

It's not an easy decision to make, especially for someone with reservations about doing it. You don't deserve to live in perpetual paranoia, and if confidental therapy helps you to recover, then I can't understand the rationale behind avoiding it.

Take care of yourself!!!

~ VAya

 

[herbavore]

Miss Kirsty, I know you have alluded to this story before but I have never heard the whole thing. I am so sorry that this happened to you and to your daughter. I am not in Australia so I know nothing about DOCS but I know that the equivalent agency here in the States (CPS) has been equally misguided, callous and overreaching in many situations but has also saved children's lives in others so they are really a mixed bag. From what I can tell it really varies from one locality to the next, and sometimes even from one worker to the next.

Your story sounds so outrageous that I wonder about taking legal action against them? Someone should have investigated the charges more thoroughly before taking such drastic action. I can't believe that the judge himself didn't demand an inquiry!

I can really imagine your fear and I do hope that both you and your daughter can get counseling. If nothing else, surely they owe you that. In the meantime, try your hardest to create as much of a relaxed and peaceful atmosphere at home as you can--you both need that. Getting some help for the PTSD would really make a difference for you.

 

[Miss Kirsty]

I am an adequate parent for my child and always have been....It was a false report made out of hatred the led to her removal...I have been an excellent parent since the day i found out i was pregnant..
My notion is very real and true and i cant give it up...

 

[Miss Kirsty]

Miss Kirsty, I know you have alluded to this story before but I have never heard the whole thing. I am so sorry that this happened to you and to your daughter. I am not in Australia so I know nothing about DOCS but I know that the equivalent agency here in the States (CPS) has been equally misguided, callous and overreaching in many situations but has also saved children's lives in others so they are really a mixed bag. From what I can tell it really varies from one locality to the next, and sometimes even from one worker to the next.

Your story sounds so outrageous that I wonder about taking legal action against them? Someone should have investigated the charges more thoroughly before taking such drastic action. I can't believe that the judge himself didn't demand an inquiry!

I can really imagine your fear and I do hope that both you and your daughter can get counseling. If nothing else, surely they owe you that. In the meantime, try your hardest to create as much of a relaxed and peaceful atmosphere at home as you can--you both need that. Getting some help for the PTSD would really make a difference for you.

Thank you Herby..Im sure i will find a councilor that i trust, but here in Austral;ia therapy is not looked at the same as in the States...And its true that there is a huge amount of corruption with-in these agencies..It is all over the internet...I am NOT the only CRAZY person out here claiming that I have been screwed over...I f you heard the actual allegation that was made against me you would be even more amazed that this happened...i mean its my word against a caseworkers..
Im so emotional atm as i just an incident earlier today that dragged it all back up for me and its the anniversary of the day they took her...I got her back and i should just let it go, but when you are scared evry knock of the door, its hard to forget..


Oh My daughter is unaware of the extent of emotional strain this has put me under...She knows i am upset and she is too, so we do talk about it a bit...But she never sees me have a panic attack or sobbing about it...I do it alone...

 

[footscrazy]

It's not an easy decision to make, especially for someone with reservations about doing it. You don't deserve to live in perpetual paranoia, and if confidental therapy helps you to recover, then I can't understand the rationale behind avoiding it.

It's confidential in Australia except when the therapist believes you are going to cause yourself or someone else harm. The police are also able to order a subpoena to access any 'confidential' information. I don't want to make you more paranoid Miss Kirsty, as I do think it's very unlikely this would actually ever happen, but I bring that up because this is not simply an irrational fear, and I can fully understand your hesitance to trust anyone at this point.

Perhaps though you could still attend therapy for a more vague reason, such as anxiety or depression. CBT techniques help with your reactions to anxiety provoking thoughts/events, rather than the event itself, so the therapist does not need to know what the event was to provide you with some helpful techniques.

I'm really so shocked by your story and so sorry you had to go through that. I can't imagine how traumatic it would be for mother and daughter to be physically wrenched apart like that. It's absurd that they were able to do this with so little evidence. Unbelievable. I hope you are able to get justice for this one day, at least a recognition on their part that what they did was horrendous and wrong, even though that wont change the past.

 

[Miss Kirsty]

It's confidential in Australia except when the therapist believes you are going to cause yourself or someone else harm. The police are also able to order a subpoena to access any 'confidential' information. I don't want to make you more paranoid Miss Kirsty, as I do think it's very unlikely this would actually ever happen, but I bring that up because this is not simply an irrational fear, and I can fully understand your hesitance to trust anyone at this point.

Perhaps though you could still attend therapy for a more vague reason, such as anxiety or depression. CBT techniques help with your reactions to anxiety provoking thoughts/events, rather than the event itself, so the therapist does not need to know what the event was to provide you with some helpful techniques.

I'm really so shocked by your story and so sorry you had to go through that. I can't imagine how traumatic it would be for mother and daughter to be physically wrenched apart like that. It's absurd that they were able to do this with so little evidence. Unbelievable. I hope you are able to get justice for this one day, at least a recognition on their part that what they did was horrendous and wrong, even though that wont change the past.

Foots, thank you...I have had that thought about seeing a phyc for a more vague reason as you put it...that would be the only way... So would that be private docs rather than government ones do you think?...I mean never in my life have i ever needed to worry about what i say to a doctor....
I understand there are people not wanting to believe such things are going on...but the REALITY is it is happening...It happened to me one day when i returned from shopping, my life was ripped out of my arms...My partner and i had 12 miscarrages between us before our beautiful daughter was born...Our one and only..The pregnancy before had resulted in the fetus dying inside me and not expelling...I thought i was 4 months pregnant and got sever pain..went hosp and baby had died at 5 weeks and didnt come out so i was toxic...near died with that baby...then i got pregnant with my daughter and was referred to a Dr that became known as "The Bega Butcher" and is now in jail..he abused me also and i was part of a class action several years ago...
Ive been through some serious shit to get my child...then they waltz in a take her away....WTF WTF WTF?????



THE SCARY PART IS....THEY HAD NO EVIDENCE not a little bit, they had NO evidence...

 

[Miss Kirsty]

If anyone at all is interested.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At6R6LioCps

 

[Vaya]

I am an adequate parent for my child and always have been....It was a false report made out of hatred the led to her removal...I have been an excellent parent since the day i found out i was pregnant..
My notion is very real and true and i cant give it up...

I apologize; I did not mean to insinuate that you were an inadequate parent. My thinking was along the lines of taking care of yourself, too. Because if you collapse, then it stands to reason that your family dynamic will suffer to some degree, too.

I can't make you give up your notion, nor would I try to. Your life is yours! I can only make suggestions; I am not offended if you don't take them. I'm not omniscient. Neither are my words gospel. I only hope whatever course of action you do decide to take, that it eases this chronic psychological stress you've been enduring for a year now.

My best wishes to you.

~ Vaya

Edit: With regards to your video, the subject matter truly is troubling. When I worked on the adolescent unit of a psychiatric hospital for a year, we often worked in tandem with CYS (Children and Youth Services). It was heartbreaking, what I saw and was required to take part in. It made up, in fact, a significant portion of the myriad of reasons I had for leaving the job in October.

 

[footscrazy]

Foots, thank you...I have had that thought about seeing a phyc for a more vague reason as you put it...that would be the only way... So would that be private docs rather than government ones do you think?...

I don't think it would matter if it were a private or government funded doc. A good place to start may be just a normal GP, sometimes they do a bit of psychological/cbt treatment themselves (so you could get that bulk billed), or they can put you on a mental health care plan which gives you medicare funding for 12 sessions a year. They fund about $80 per session which doesn't normally completely cover the cost, you tend to end up paying about $20 out of pocket depending on the price of the therapist's service. There are also general classes for cbt where you could just sit in a class and learn techniques without ever having to go into why you're there at all.

 

[Miss Kirsty]

ummmmmm....Thanks...

 

[footscrazy]

Was that not what you were asking...? Sorry if I misinterpreted you.

 

[Miss Kirsty]

Was that not what you were asking...? Sorry if I misinterpreted you.

No No ummmmm ment Thinking...lol sorry! Im just not there with being able to go to a shrink yet...You know already all i was doing was bringing up my child the best i can, living in a seaside rural town..pop 4000...My daughter went to ballet,nippers, played Auskick, little athletics etc etc she never even missed one single day from school in an entire year! Not ONE other child at her school did that...we didnt even mean to do it, it kind just happened that way...she was sooo un abused you could see from a million miles away.. And i dont have a criminal record...I have never been arrested...The system instead of trying to see if there was a problem, even just checking, instead of that, they swoop in like vultures and bang! Last you see of your child is through the rear window of a car and they are screaming..This is a very flawed system that was created to remove children from harm...instead children are being stolen from loving and safe homes...I know it happened to me and it could happen again..



vaya, Thank you for looking at the link..Its a crime in my eyes, whats happening...and now i am personally involved in trying for some kind of change...I dont deny we need organisations to protect our children...In fact im all for it of course....But these organisations are laws unto themselves vaya and they really do answer to noone...Even Judges can be overturned by docs...

 

[Cohesion]

What is in your control?

Effort
Outcome

Are you in "effort" or are you in "outcome"? All we can control is our own effort.


- Get help in whatever way you feel most comfortable

- Review your closed case and talk with DOCS about how it happened that there was no investigation. In the U.S. if you submit a letter in writing to review your case, they are obligated to do so within 10 days.

 

[Missykins]

Miss Kirsty, it is still unclear to me who "they" are and under what circumstances your child was removed from you. Without knowing who "they" are and how they are specifically related to the mental health services in your community, it's difficult for me to advise you EXCEPT if you are that concerned about members of your community knowing that you are under the care of a mental health professional, seek private care in another location, outside the jurisdiction of the individuals involved in removing your child from your care.

I have to say, you do sound paranoid and irrational, which goes along with PTSD stemming from an extremely traumatic experience. You can't expect to deal with this on your own, nor should you have to.

I also agree, have you consider taking legal action against those involved? Especially against the cop who sprayed you. You might find it empowering.

 

[Miss Kirsty]

Miss Kirsty, it is still unclear to me who "they" are and under what circumstances your child was removed from you.
I have to say, you do sound paranoid and irrational, which goes along with PTSD stemming from an extremely traumatic experience. You can't expect to deal with this on your own, nor should you have to.

I also agree, have you consider taking legal action against those involved?

I am absolutly NOT paranoid Missy...But i would expect that...They are CPS WELFARE DocS whatever you want to call them and also mental health...these welfare teams have numerous Drs working for them that are corrupt to the hilt.....The agencies that were once set up to remove children from abusive homes are NOW removing chil;dren from LOVING homes!..I have never been a bad parent ever! ANd its NOT my imagination Missy...ALREADY ONCE THEY CAME AND TOOK HER....DOnt you get it!!!


And yes...when i calm down and get my wits about me again...Im going to sue there fucking asses off!!!One day...