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A week since no opiates, still can't get 8hrs of sleep PLEASE HELP

Volcano

Volcano

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Cliffs:

- Legally been on benzos for a year for neuralgic pain (Klonopin is approved for this, 1mg/night, Valium has become off-label so 10mg/night) I always took my benzos with my opiates (sometimes half dose) but yes I've been mixing benzos and opiates for years.

- Been on opiates for about 3 months (mother died, was painful, need to say no more). It began with oxy and hydro but that shit was too expensive so I used the Internet to get some Codeine and DHC.

- Did Codeine (first) then DHC for about 2 months. EVERY OTHER DAY

- Have been clean for 6 days.


I experienced all the typical signs for 2-3 days (except anger):

- Anxiety
- Clammy skin/chills
- Depression (a lot of it is still about mom)
- G/I issues (vomiting one night, diarrhea first 3 days)

All of these issues are gone except:

- I CAN'T GO BACK TO SLEEP.


No matter what time of the night it is, if I'm awaken I cannot go back to sleep except for 2 nights ago I had a "decent" (aka OKAY) sleep night.

I'm slowly getting a more and more time back (started out as 4-5 hours, now I can ALMOST get six) but this morning my damn cat meowed at the door and woke me up.



Anyhow, how the fucking long does sleep problems last on opiate W/D. Physically I'm FINE. I have motivation, I'm happy(ier), I'm not depressed, I shit normal.


I JUST CAN'T SLEEP


What the fuck do I do? In addition to the 1mg Kpin+10mg Valium at bedrest I've added in up to: 0.5mg xanax and 725mg Soma.

I found the Somas from an old script I had (2007) and I admit when I go to bed I'm pretty messed up and I go to sleep easy but I can't get a "full nights" rest.

It's effecting my work, worse than a mild opiate addiction.



What's weird to me, is like I mentioned I used DHC every other day (I constipate easily) and on my OFF NIGHTS I'd sleep like NORMAL.

FWIW, Last Saturday (night 1 of no opiates) I smoked a bit of DMT (maybe 60mg over 2 'sessions') and I slept like a fucking rock. Of course, I haven't used DMT since but that was just one of those rare opportunities.


What the fuck is going on?



THANK YOU
 
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That was the cliffs notes version?

This has been discussed quite a bit in many threads about withdrawal, PAWS and insomnia so you shouldn't have trouble locating information.

You weren't physically dependent on the opioids so I am having trouble believing that this is really from that... whether its the drug abuse, the loss you've experienced, you're neuralgia, all of the above or something else... it sounds like you have some things you need to work through and should talk to someone.

In the meantime, this is better suited for basic drug discussion so...




--->BDD





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*studies have shown some efficacy for clonazepam in treating certain types of pain but I do not believe its been approved by any regulatory agencies as an official indication
 
Cane2theLeft said:
That was the cliffs notes version?

This has been discussed quite a bit in many threads about withdrawal, PAWS and insomnia so you shouldn't have trouble locating information.

You weren't physically dependent on the opioids so I am having trouble believing that this is really from that... whether its the drug abuse, the loss you've experienced, you're neuralgia, all of the above or something else... it sounds like you have some things you need to work through and should talk to someone.

In the meantime, this is better suited for basic drug discussion so...




--->BDD





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*studies have shown some efficacy for clonazepam in treating certain types of pain but I do not believe its been approved by any regulatory agencies as an official indication
Click to expand...


Sorry, didn't know PAWS was an acronym and if these boards would allow one word posts in all caps then I would've surely googled it.


NIH document on Klonopin for TN: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1104361

trigeminal-neuralgia_klonopin.png



First to talk about the neuralgia, it's either trigeminal neuralgia or atypical odologia, no one can tell me for certain which. We've tried Carbamazepine, Lyrica, Gabapentin, and Amitriptalin. So far, I get the best sedation and mix of sleepiness through 1mg of Kpin/10mg Valium and yes I know Lyrica in high doses fucks you up. I did it like twice and hated it each time. So that's explains the benzo for neuralgia comment. I am legally on those and although the valium is recent (3 months ago maybe) the Klonopin is over a year old.

When taken alone, I rarely feel sedation from these anymore. I just quit caring about nerve pain in my mouth which allows sleep. Trigeminal neuralgia really fucks lives up and hardly anyone knows about it.


Getting to the point,

I've slept fine for 2 months without mom, though I was using opiates. What had happened was I had an IOP package coming in the week after she died (ordered a week before she died) and it contained codeine and instead of putting them back for headaches like intended I used them all. Friends gave me hydro and oxy, but not much so I got some DHC from another IOP and did 30mg IRs for 2 months, alternating days to not get constipated.


What I'm saying is:

- I don't have an opiate problem. I don't physically (or mentally) crave them. Infact, I'm HAPPY to be off them. It's not a drain on my damn wallet anymore. I never IV'd or nasal'd them. Always oral. I have no desire to use, just to get some fucking sleep.

- I don't need to talk to anyone about mom. I still have dad and my wife and a son on the way. I talk to dad and wife all the time. They've been wonderful. FWIW, the death was young and unexpected. That's why I had an initial difficult period.

- I just need to get 7-8 hours of sleep (I used to get 9-10 fucked up on opiates before bed) and I can't. Since Sunday only once have I gotten over 7 hours of sleep at once.
 
It goes in tandeum with opiate withdrawals. You can take stuff like diphenhydramine or nyquil, or benzo's like you've been taking to try to get to sleep. Ultimately the best thing is just time. It's going to take a while for you to get back to normal, nothing but time will fix that.

Also, with opiates, you need to think that all the time you were doing things you were just delaying the inevitable. So you slept for 10 hours instead of 8, for 2 months, thats 120 hours. So expect to not sleep for at least that long. I know that doesn't exactly make sense, but you need to realise that you were doing opiates for a long time, it's going to take a while to get back to normal.
 
I don't know if you need to talk to anyone about anything but you're the one who brought the mom issue into this... as well as others.

As I mentioned, I'm well aware clonazepam is prescribed for neuropathic pain (I've been Rx'd it for such myself), I was merely noting that its not been approved for such, its Rx'd off-label.

How about seeing a doctor? We can't exactly diagnose problems or prescribe treatment.
 
Yea dude a week ain't shit. My last kick I couldn't sleep right for at least a month. Still wake up and get shitty sleep now who knows if it's related.

Sorry bout your mom. That actually makes me think wtf am I gonna do when I deal with that to cause opiates will surely seem to be the answer.

Though now I am also not to sure if its PAWS. You said you feel fine mentally and no depression besides what would be expected from a mother dying recently People with PAWS are usually crippled with anxiety/depression. Not just I'm sad depression, but I'm gonna fucking kill myself depression. If i was going through PAWS and my mom died I just might. I would need my family there watching me and I would have to get back on the opiates immediately or I would not be able to cope.

Be able to sleep on your off-nights from DHC is because you weren't going through any withdrawal yet. I do believe you were in withdrawal, but being DHC and this being your first withdrawal(i presume)you probably wouldn't get more then a weeks worth of PAWS anyway.
 
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@highhooked - I'm no longer smoking pot due to needing to find a real job :(

@Cane - Gotcha. No problem

@Jamtastic - I was hoping you'd reply. You were the opiate expert on the other site we used to visit.

@Nib - Trust me, I had want to kill myself for a while but I've got great wife and dad and family and I don't believe in an afterlife. As Sagan once said "all that's left after you go is the good you've left behind."

I would've be leaving any good behind if I killed myself.

And I have ABSOLUTELY NO DESIRE to go out and get any pills.


@Everyone - I just didn't think I was doing a strong enough opiate or for long enough to cause a real W/D like this.
 
i can understand your problems. ever since i became an addict i've had trouble sleeping. especially when i'm doing well and not using. it takes me a long time to fall a sleep, and when i do sleep it's really light....the smallest thing can wake me up and then i can't get back to sleep.
i also find that if i use opiates within 4 hours of going to bed i fall into a nap like sleep. i feel aware of things around me but i'm not fully awake.
i've tried sleeping pills like ambien and others but never seem to give me a good nights sleep.
benzos help me fall a sleep but it's hard to stay sleeping on benzos.
your insomnia might not be related to your opiate use. you should follow the tips for a good nights sleep. you know, get excersize, avoid caffine, don't lounge in bed.....use it for sleeping.

one natural supplement that i found has helped is melatonin pills. they are natural and you don't get that medicine head feeling the next day.
do a search online for solutions for a good nights sleep. i've found that following some of these suggestions i can get a good night. my routine is getting some good excersise in the afternoon, avoiding foods with caffine and taking melatonin pills.

if your insomnia is related to your opiate use you can expect the symptoms to last anywhere from 6 to 8 weeks depending on your history.
 
this is totally normal.. when i came off suboxone a few years ago i didnt sleep for like a month.

supplements that helped me sleep were melatonin and kava kava.. but really its just something you gotta wait out. it will get better though dont worry. i would guess probably next week youll start sleeping for longer peroids of time.
 
Sleep depravation is what gets me back on the shit every time, if you are able try some vistaril,melatonin,bentyl,neurontin,and seraquel. At 300 milligrams the seraquel will give you some anti-depressant qualities plus really help you sleep, I take 300 mills timed release and it knocks me out, even while in opiate withdrawal.
For the neurontin I take a little more than prescribed and it really helps, I have been in total bad withdrawal and taken 3 of the 800 milligram neurontin(gabba-pentin) alone and I felt so much better it was amazing but it works like 3 days and then I had to take 4 but it would help you get that much needed sleep.

And last would be hard physical exercise, I know how hard this is to do while in any kind of withdrawal but it really helps, I have been in jail and not slept for a week and I started walking around and around, hey anyone feel me on that? anyway it does help, good luck.
 
I have some Melatonin and Neurontin (as well as Lyrica) @Barry351.

However, as far as the GABA drugs are concerned, I feel like my benzos are better sedatives, no?

No one thinks this could be related to my DMT trip last Sunday do you? It was only twice and neither time I brokethrough (didn't want to, was just testing quality of the sample)
 
1. stop all drugs
2. maintain a regular regimen of daily activities such as work, school, chores, etc.
3. eat healthy
4. exercise vigorously, preferably each day
5. be patient
 
Microtel - Exercise can actually be a great help Sure the body may need relaxtion, but I find it best to push the body as much as you can. Ever notice how good it feels to relax after you just played a sport or something, so much better than just laying around. If you exercise you can release endorphins and it will help you sleep.

Volcano - Yea, that "other site", too bad it went to shit. Bluelight is much better imo
 
I'm up again after 4 hours

I took:

1mg Kpin
10mg Val
0.5mg Xan
750mg Soma

Goddamn.
 
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