A Struggle Inside AA

DexterMeth: AA is on par with placebo
Maybe even under, considering the reported rapes and other strange accultic practices

DexterMeth said:
I'm ignorant, an asshole, and have contributed nothing positive to Bluelight, and I'm a wreckless
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I'm not gonna disagree with you on that.
 
Why is there always this type of debate about one 12 step group or another?

It's pretty simple in my mind. You go to meetigs and with some luck and persistance (very important) you meet some people who you can relate with. Hang with them and see where it leads.


That's where the steps came in. They helped to teach coping mechanisms that I still use. How to relax ( a little...still have a little fun once in a while) and understand my beheviour.

It's not for everyone but it has survived and for quite a few assisted in a significant life transformation.
 
It's ineffective government mandated brainwashing.

Some people just simply make the best of a bad situation.
 
n4k33n said:
3. AA ruins lives and kills people - The vast majority of people I know in AA (and I know quite a few from different backgrounds, states clean times [1day-20 years], drugs, etc. They are quite across the board. The program has brainwashed my friends to think they are completely powerless over their actions.
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AA was designed for and originally intended for "end stage" alcoholics. That has changed, and IMO it should not have.

"End stage" alcoholics are powerless. Chances are they've physically ill, cognitively confused/not thinking straight, emotionally in a deep depression and possibly unable to even walk half a block to get groceries. These people ARE powerless. Very doubtful they are able to make rational decisions and choices, and if so it's all forgotten a half hour later swilling from a bottle.

IMO AA is pretty accurate and helpful when applied to extreme cases of rock-bottom alcoholism, and becomes progressively less helpful the further away a person is from that state. For cases that resemble just drinking a bit too heavily, the whole thing can be very detrimental and dangerous -- no argument there.
 
Awesome link, thanks. After just getting back from my "sentenced" aa meeting, I can honestly say I didn't learn anything.

It seems to me the real way AA/NA works is to divert your thoughts and thinking so as time passes, things work themselves out as they would have from simply not drinking without AA...
 
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