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A Struggle Inside AA

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By the time May Clancy turned 15 years old, she was well on her way to drinking herself to death. A middle-school student from Potomac, Md., she had been through 11 different psychiatric and alcohol-rehab programs in two years. Each time, she started drinking again as soon as she got out. Her parents were terrified. "We'd taken her to hospitals—everything possible to get her the best care that we could," says May's father, Mike. "And all these places told us that they didn't think she could make it without Alcoholics Anonymous."

So in November 2005, when May agreed to begin attending meetings at Midtown, one of the oldest and largest AA groups in the Washington, D.C., area, it felt like a miracle. Other AA meetings in the city attracted mostly older men and women; Midtown was known as a place for recovering alcoholics in their teens and 20s. Some of the group's senior members were older, but there were also dozens of high-school and college kids with stories a lot like hers. From the moment she arrived, they seemed to go out of their way to welcome her. At first, May was thrilled to find a group of people who accepted her as she was. "When I went there," she says, "I didn't really talk to anybody, didn't trust anybody. And these people would hang out with me even if I didn't say anything, and include me in conversations. I was desperate to be liked at that point."

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But something about Midtown was not right. After a few months, the group's embrace of May began to feel like a chokehold. She says the sponsor assigned to give her moral support and help keep her sober pressured her to cut off ties to anyone outside the group. Another member snatched her cell phone and deleted names in the directory. She says she was pressured to stop taking the medication a doctor had prescribed to manage her bipolar disorder: group members told her she couldn't be sober if she was taking any kind of drug. There was a hierarchy to the group. Younger members were sometimes expected to wash cars, clean houses and do other menial chores for more senior members.

May says she was especially uncomfortable with the emphasis on dating within the group and sex between members. She would listen as girls her age compared notes on the men in the group they had been encouraged to sleep with, some of whom were decades older.

Her suspicions were confirmed when she left Midtown and began attending a different AA meeting. She was surprised—and relieved—to find that many of Midtown's common practices were exactly the opposite of what Alcoholics Anonymous literature teaches. By design, there are no "leaders" in AA groups who exert control over other members. AA doesn't expect members to ignore doctors' prescriptions. It doesn't tell them to turn their backs on friends and family. And far from encouraging sex, AA groups overwhelmingly frown on intimate relationships for the first year of sobriety, when a recovering alcoholic is thought to be most vulnerable.

May's story isn't unique. Now 16, she is one of hundreds of recovering alcoholics who are taking sides in a bitter, unprecedented dispute among Alcoholics Anonymous adherents that pits members of Midtown, who insist the organization has saved their lives and kept them sober, against angry former members, who charge it is a coercive, cultlike group that uses the trusted AA name to induce young alcoholics into a radical fringe movement that has little resemblance to traditional AA.

It is a fight that has been largely waged in private. Some of Midtown's most driven critics organized a committee, dubbed the Concerned Friends Group, and created an anonymous MySpace page for ex-members to share stories. They have, unsuccessfully, tried to have Midtown expelled from churches where its meetings are held and have made numerous complaints to the police. (Law-enforcement officials say they have investigated the group but have not found evidence of criminal wrongdoing.) Many of the people involved in the dispute are recovering alcoholics and have been reluctant to go public with their allegations—both because it is a violation of AA's "anonymous" credo, and because they do not want it known that they are alcoholics. But in dozens of interviews with NEWSWEEK, recovering alcoholics and mental-health professionals describe a group that exerts an unusual amount of control and sometimes seems to put the social desires of some members above the recovery of others.

Despite repeated requests for comment, no current Midtown members agreed to be interviewed on the record, citing AA's tradition of anonymity in the press and their belief that negative publicity scares on-the-fence alcoholics from getting the help they need. But those who spoke or e-mailed without giving their names for publication say that Midtown is a flourishing group that has saved their lives, and that those who criticize it resent their success, have scores to settle or are simply making it all up.

Lauren Dougherty says that doesn't describe her at all. Now 29, she loved all the attention she got when she decided to sober up and join Midtown 11 years ago. A member of her family was an alcoholic, and Dougherty had sat in the back during AA meetings before. But Midtown was different from the meetings she remembered. Her first night, she was introduced to another member of the group and told, "She's your sponsor." Dougherty thought that was odd. AA sponsors are chosen, not assigned. But everyone was so friendly she let it pass. They gave her specific instructions about which Midtown meeting she should attend each day, and told her to cut off friends from her old life, even the ones who didn't drink. Soon her new circle of friends insisted she get an "AA boyfriend." Like May, Dougherty says there was pressure to sleep with older group members, which she refused to do. ("They live off of sex," says Meredith, a 19-year-old former member who, like several others, did not want her full name used to avoid being outed as an alcoholic. "I feel like their way of dealing with alcohol addiction is just by having sex with each other. Being in that group made me want to drink more.")

Disgusted, Dougherty tried to quit the group. She says her sponsor was furious. "You can't trust any of your own thoughts," she said. "You can't go into your own head unsupervised." At first, Dougherty didn't know what to believe, until a rehab counselor told her in no uncertain terms to get out.

Some former members say they too were made to believe that leaving Midtown would doom their recovery. Twenty-six-year-old Kristen spent eight years with the group, shunning family and outside friends. When she applied to go to art school in Richmond, Va., her sponsor, an older man, cursed her out. "You will drink," he told her. "You will fail. You will die." The reaction of her sponsor persuaded her to leave the group once and for all. She began secretly attending other AA meetings in the area. "I was so tired of being afraid all the time," she says. "I'd rather die than be in Midtown again."

Former members claim that Midtown makes it difficult to leave in other ways. About half the group's approximately 300 members rent houses with each other across the D.C. area. Many find work through contacts in the group. For them, exiting Midtown is not just a matter of walking out the door—it means getting evicted, breaking up with a boyfriend or girlfriend, and starting a social life from scratch.

The group's practices have raised concerns among some recovery professionals. Jay Eubanks, who oversees the Gaithersburg, Md., branch of the Kolmac Clinic chain of intensive outpatient rehabs, says patients who come to him from Midtown often need "damage control" to unlearn what the group taught them. "They start isolating people, getting them away from any feedback other than their own ... Only go to their meetings, only talk to people in their group. If you're seeing a therapist, stop seeing a therapist; if you're in treatment, stop going to treatment; if you're being medicated, stop seeing a doctor."

Midtown's approach to treatment so concerned Dr. Ellen Dye, a clinical psychologist in Rockville, Md., that she wrote an open letter to the Washington recovery community in August 2006, detailing two patients' experiences with the group. One young woman, she wrote, was "assigned a boyfriend" and pressured to go off antidepressants; she became actively suicidal and was hospitalized. The second was bossed so severely that he is now unwilling to attend any AA meetings, despite his worsening alcoholism. "At this point," Dye concluded, "I am very apprehensive about referring any clients to AA even if they are severe alcoholics. I think that it is essential that this group be eliminated from AA so that my colleagues and I can feel safe making these referrals again." While most recovery specialists know about Midtown, Dye said, parents and general therapists don't. "We're all saying, 'Go to AA, go to AA,' and we may be sending people into this terrible situation and not realizing it."

Other recovery specialists are more conflicted. Beth Kane-Davidson, director of the addictions center at Suburban Hospital in Bethesda, Md., says that the center stopped steering patients to Midtown during the past year. But, she adds, "the flip side is, I know people in the group that have long-term sobriety and are doing great." For some recovering alcoholics, she says, "Midtown has been a real godsend. It's taken them in and structured their activities, and filled the void left because they're not using anymore. But where do you draw the line? Given that the line is so fine, we try to err on the safe side."

David Hanrahan has a similar perspective. He got sober in 1985 while attending some of the meetings that later coalesced into the Midtown network; in his mid-30s, he drifted away when he decided he was more comfortable around recovering alcoholics closer to his own age. Hanrahan says a little disorder and disagreement inside AA isn't necessarily a bad thing—in fact, it almost always works out for the good. "I think AA is a miraculous organization that is run by nobody and controlled by nobody, and is complete, pure anarchy—as long as it's tied to the 12 steps—and I mean that in a good way," he says. "There are meetings all over the world, and anyone can start one, and nobody's in charge of it. That's AA's strength and weakness, right there." Hanrahan is concerned by the direction Midtown has taken in the past 20 years, but he also fears that its most organized critics care more about harming the group than reforming AA.

What does Alcoholics Anonymous itself have to say about Midtown? Nothing. A completely decentralized organization, AA has no spokesperson and no national leaders. Its worldwide headquarters in New York—which largely serves to distribute its literature and help people set up local meetings—declined to comment. AA has always relied on locals to govern themselves. Midtown can claim as much right to the Alcoholics Anonymous name as more traditional AA groups. For struggling alcoholics already wary of seeking help, it's another reminder that it isn't always easy to find someone to trust.

A Struggle Inside AA
Newsweek
April 30, 2007

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mmmm nazi fuck-camp........erwhat? did i type that? or just think it.........


AA meets a number of the definitions of a cult, and as well I think its ridiculous and arrogant to assume that you are powerless. Alcoholism is in part a personal problem as well as being a compulsion, and a physical deficiency or difference in the way your body and brain handle a number of neurotransmitters etc. The physical side will never go away no matter how hard you pray, if you believe that you're crazy. The other aspects can be improved upon just like any other compulsion or behavioral disorder.

It's also inexcusable to link recovery to religion in an obvious attempt to brainwash individuals who are in a seriously suggestive and desperate state, it may work but only because of sheer desperation and a need to belong, not to mention fear and an unfounded, unproven obsession with all things unseen. I think its also unnecessary, heres why:

If you accept the idea that you must look to a higher power to stop drinking, you have very few choices in the direct sense (things like working in the community you could have done anyway and require no higher power). You can pray, reflect, ask god for help, and any number of other things, none of which will get you an active response. This means that any improvements, ideas, reflections, plans, and such came from you and have nothing to do with god.

If you do get an active response, not only are you an alcoholic but you're psychotic and need serious help.

It should at the least make people question things more, when the very organization that is supposed to be helping people stop drinking is also attempting to control random aspects of your life, a number of which have nothing to do with drinking or your probability for relapse.
 
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How can someone be an alcoholic at 15? Do her parents watch her? For Christsakes she can't even drive to the liquor store, let alone buy alcohol.

Her parents took her to 11 rehab programs? But can't watch her after school?
 
my solution to this would to goto midtown, get laid and ignore all their other bullshit. how can easy sex be a bad thing lol
Great read btw, I had heard about this particular group before from a friend of mine who used to live in dc. didnt know it was quite that crazy though lol.

btw i just remembered, my friend was telling me the AA cult in dc was called mikes group or somthing, i dont remember him mentioning midtown. maybe theres 2 AA cults in DC o_O
 
NameTaken said:
How can someone be an alcoholic at 15? Do her parents watch her? For Christsakes she can't even drive to the liquor store, let alone buy alcohol.

Her parents took her to 11 rehab programs? But can't watch her after school?

i was thinking the same thing.
 
Theres many ways to get booze at that age. Tolerance is pretty low because of size and age, so swiping it from parents probably works for awhile. Vanilla extract has alcohol in it, and Mouthwash is 80 proof by itself.

Stealing it from the store works too. When people are addicted, they find a way to get it.
 
Tripdoctor, I must defend AA because it does work. Like they say, "it works if you work it.

and as well I think its ridiculous and arrogant to assume that you are powerless. Alcoholism is in part a personal problem as well as being a compulsion, and a physical deficiency or difference in the way your body and brain handle a number of neurotransmitters etc. The physical side will never go away no matter how hard you pray, if you believe that you're crazy.

You say it right there. The physical part is pure powerlessness. If an alcoholic can't admit this, they will most likely never recover. To admit one is powerless over alcohol is empowering.

If you accept the idea that you must look to a higher power to stop drinking, you have very few choices in the direct sense (things like working in the community you could have done anyway and require no higher power). You can pray, reflect, ask god for help, and any number of other things, none of which will get you an active response. This means that any improvements, ideas, reflections, plans, and such came from you and have nothing to do with god.

A higher power is different than GOD. Spirituality is different than religion. AA is all about living a spiritual life rather than a religious life. And alcoholics must believe that a power greater than themselves can restore them to sanity, not GOD. Alot of people in AA choose Jesus or Muhammad or some religious figure as their higher power. In AA, one's higher power can be the power of group community, or the Red Sox!!!

I've had to do AA for a while, and was against the whole Idea of it for months. I was against it because I didn't understand it. Now I do and I see how it works. Call me brainwashed, but I'm happier with my life than I was before.
 
"And alcoholics must believe that a power greater than themselves can restore them to sanity, not GOD. Alot of people in AA choose Jesus or Muhammad or some religious figure as their higher power. In AA, one's higher power can be the power of group community, or the Red Sox!!!"

There is no evidence belief in ANY higher power helps you fight addiction and I would argue it absolutely hurts you.

Telling someone who is addicted to a drug of any sort that they have "no control" over it, and that only a "higher power" can help them is dishonest about the nature of addiction. YOU are the ONLY one with power to help yourself. The last thing you tell an addict is, you are helpless and you sure as hell can't help yourself but a HIGHER POWER can... AA groups have KILLED my friends by not providing them an environment free of bullshit faith that never actually addresses the problems of addiction.
 
Fried Man said:
Tripdoctor, I must defend AA because it does work. Like they say, "it works if you work it.



You say it right there. The physical part is pure powerlessness. If an alcoholic can't admit this, they will most likely never recover. To admit one is powerless over alcohol is empowering.



A higher power is different than GOD. Spirituality is different than religion. AA is all about living a spiritual life rather than a religious life. And alcoholics must believe that a power greater than themselves can restore them to sanity, not GOD. Alot of people in AA choose Jesus or Muhammad or some religious figureas their higher power. In AA, one's higher power can be the power of group community, or the Red Sox!!!

I've had to do AA for a while, and was against the whole Idea of it for months. I was against it because I didn't understand it. Now I do and I see how it works. Call me brainwashed, but I'm happier with my life than I was before.

This is just the standard AA response and avoids the issue completely.

I've been to over 150 meetings, had a sponsor, been exposed to the full AA program in all aspects. My best friends are regular members. I've given the program a fair chance and watched it for years when I was in and out of rehab. Now I'm clean, and I was only able to do it by breaking from the program completely and going to a rehab without this or any other religious program. This freedom is what allowed me to get clean.

I could write books on the subject, but my personal experience with AA/NA has demonstrated a few facts to me.

1. AA is religious - Regardless of doublespeak and rationalizations its obviously a religious organization. Even if you gave them the benefit of the doubt and don't equate "religion" with "spirituality", they still organize and distill your spirituality into a system, which is the same end. If that doesn't make it painfully obvious, do some research on the history of AA on the internet. Their aim is pretty clear. Even the supreme court agrees! If prodded I will add to this.

2. AA doesn't work - Most research puts the success rate the same as spontaneous abstainers. One paper demonstrated its harder to get clean on your own after being exposed. The success rate is abismal. Its popularity as a treatment doesn't demonstrate its efficacy.

3. AA ruins lives and kills people - The vast majority of people I know in AA (and I know quite a few from different backgrounds, states clean times [1day-20 years], drugs, etc. They are quite across the board. The program has brainwashed my friends to think they are completely powerless over their actions. Soon, watching their friends in the program relapse constantly, they eventually fall to the same fate. Now they're powerless and hopeless. AA is a black hole of sad stories all the way to basketball diaries style horror.

The program teaches everyone that theyre not special and everyone follows the same cycles. Powerless hopeless people who now think that the gutter is the end will make it a self fulfilling prophecy. I just saw it happen again to my best friend in February. So many others have dont it, that its true impact and importance are lost on the group as being natural progression. They're addicts, after all, its what happens. "relapse is part of recovery"

The all or nothing abstainance only rules create this harm. Measuring life in days instead of happiness. When people relapse, they end up relapsing HARD compared to a "natural relapse". This has also been demonstrated in studies. These relapses end up killing people and causing collateral damage.

This policy is so careless and without regard for individual human life. This shit is so entrenched that it will never be questioned. It would be like questioning the virgin birth. Its part of AA dogma now.

4. On a societal level, AA reinforces addiction. - AA has created a recovery monoculture based on religious principles. Although a certain percentage likes AA and it works for them, it fails for the vast, vast majority. But not only do they leave still drinking, they leave thinking they are powerless to a "disease" which they can only cure with meetings that don't work for them. This is creating a permenant self described "addict" population where before there was only a fraction.

I'll start with that. When I have time later today I'll cite my sources on those claims.
 
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So my higher power is HPE, or DOG or whatever else I can think of.

I don't really have any reason to believe in DOG, except that nice church man (he showed me some neat things i should NEVER tell anyone about too!), and DOG has done lots for me, but DOG doesn't want me to have proof, it makes me a faithful person that i believe without proof, DOG doesn't like people who won't accept random ideas as fact.

Those CAT people claimed to have found some papers that make DOG look foolish, something about lifting rocks and stones and whatnot, but what do they know, they don't believe in DOG anyway.

BTW, seeing as how AA is usually held in churches, christian churches, you probably wont find many people looking for muhammad in AA meetings.

You will however find tons of crackheads with low self esteem, and if the article is to be believed, lots of AIDS infected crackfuck sex addicts who love to fuck nice alcoholic teenagers, but hey as long as you keep your eyes on the prize and pray every morning, nothing will happen, besides AIDS is just a way for DOG to punish fags anyway, were good peoples!
 
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Fried Man said:
Call me brainwashed, but I'm happier with my life than I was before.

If thats the case, more power to you. You're on the few lucky ones.
 
You know what gets me... If NA/AA works for you FINE. But from what I read (sorry no sources) the success rate for people who recover with and without NA/AA is pretty much equal. It sorts of makes me realize that when someone TRULY wants to stop using, when shit got so bad for him/her, he will get clean.

I'm on this Drug Court program and we're FORCED to attend NA/AA meetings. We have to get cards signed (yeah you can forge them if you want), obtain sponsors, and work steps. If they find out you're lying or feel you're lying, they put you in jail. It's pretty sad that's the best the court can come up with.

My biggest problem is that while AA/NA distinguishes the difference between God and a higher power in the program, their 2nd step says "Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves can restore us to sanity"

So when the judge mandates me to go to these meetings in which to participate I have to believe in a power greater than me, in essence I'm being forced to believe in something because of a court order. So much for liberty in this country these days..
 
n4k33n said:
Theres many ways to get booze at that age. Tolerance is pretty low because of size and age, so swiping it from parents probably works for awhile. Vanilla extract has alcohol in it, and Mouthwash is 80 proof by itself.

Stealing it from the store works too. When people are addicted, they find a way to get it.


that's not the point, the point is it's very easy to tell if someone is using alcohol or not. her parents could give her a breathylizeer and if she failed, ground her and keep an eye on her.
 
^ Some kids will do whatever they want to regardless of their parents intervention. She was even sent to rehab multiple times! Sounds like a pretty out of control kid to me.
 
jersey drape said:
You know what gets me... If NA/AA works for you FINE. But from what I read (sorry no sources) the success rate for people who recover with and without NA/AA is pretty much equal. It sorts of makes me realize that when someone TRULY wants to stop using, when shit got so bad for him/her, he will get clean.

I'm on this Drug Court program and we're FORCED to attend NA/AA meetings. We have to get cards signed (yeah you can forge them if you want), obtain sponsors, and work steps. If they find out you're lying or feel you're lying, they put you in jail. It's pretty sad that's the best the court can come up with.

My biggest problem is that while AA/NA distinguishes the difference between God and a higher power in the program, their 2nd step says "Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves can restore us to sanity"

So when the judge mandates me to go to these meetings in which to participate I have to believe in a power greater than me, in essence I'm being forced to believe in something because of a court order. So much for liberty in this country these days..

i am forced to go to these meetings as well, and it didnt take me long to start forging the card. the one thing i do like about AA is its ANONYMOUS.. so even if they dont believe youre going to these meetings they cant ask, and if they do any reasonable person in the program will tell them to fuck off..

most of the time however they do not intrude because they believe it works. although the supreme court may agree that it is a religious organization, they still believe the success rate is higher, or at the very least your methods are not working and they need to get you to try some others..

i am in no way condoning AA or the court system
/disclaimer
 
Fuck AA, I wish suicide bombers would blow themselves up at AA meetings rather then other religous places.

Any white person that is dumb enough to continue to go to AA is white trash PERIOD EXPCLAIMATION POINT FACTORIAL
 
i don't really get why people feel the need to bash the fuck out of AA/NA/MA/CA/etc.

if you dont like it, then so be it man. i'm pretty sure that you have no right to say that something is 100% total bullshit that works for plenty of people. its a personal choice. some like it, some don't.

what is the point in trying to show how smart you are by giving a bunch of reasons why you think it is wrong, and explaining it. the same can be done to go against any point you make.

i mean really, you might as well be arguing about politics
 
^^ yea..
its fine if u state your opinion. i don't think bashing it is necessary.
personally i'm against the "being powerless" & isolating from society.
but hey, if AA works for some, then thats great.

Alcohol is easily accessible to anyone of any age.
it depends on people you kno.
 
I know several people who would definitely be dead if they hadn't handed over their lives to the 10 step program. It works for some people and that is a FACT FACT FACT.

However, I'm not a fan of the whole powerless bit, and despise the courts for corrupting this community of recovering addicts.

Overall though, AA has saved 3 very close friends/family members from certain death...and it hasn't harmed a single person that I know......so I'm a fan.

This cult AA sounds a bit screwy; definitely not the average group.
 
My point wasn't to show that AA is totally worthless for everyone, I've seen it help a few on the short run. I just see it causing more problems than it solves. And its hurt to see friends fall to those problems.
 
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