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A serious thread about online poker

Fjones said:
AAARGH!

30th out of 1482 in the 35K guarantee. How many times do I have to make the top 2 % of the field before I win one of these damn things?

I busted out on a dumb hand too, falling for the AA limp under the gun.
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Sounds like me (at lower stakes). Can make top 20 or so reasonably easy, but just get back 4x buy-in. Having a hard time converting.

Quick bubble question: can I get away from this?

48 left of 430; 45 paid. I have KK in BB. BB is 2000, my stack is 50000 so M = ~15. I'm in 23rd.

Shortstack goes all in from EP. He's a tight solid player who's been very unlucky (I've continually hit TPTK or overpair against him). He has 11000 chips.

I'm all ready to call (his range is huge here, obbviously) when villain goes all-in. Villain has 48000 chips and I've hardly noticed him play a hand. He seems very tight.

If I call, I'm effectively out. If I win, I'm in 6th place. If I fold, 25th place.

He had AA. Can I/should I give him credit for this, or do I take the risk of calling and try to double up.
 
No. You cannot get away from that. Folding KK pre flop is unacceptable. Bubbling is irrelevant. You are trying to win. Players should be tryign to use the bubble to pick up chips by taking advantage of people who care about bubbling.

In a large Multi-table tournament, the lowest prize is often not even double the buy-in, whereas the top few prizes are 100 - 300 buy-ins. Passing up a chance to get a seat at the final table because you are worried about bubbling just doesn't make sense. Play to win.
 
That's what I figured - even for a tight player, his range has to be JJ-AA plus AK, maybe AQ or TT or lower. So I'm ahead more than I'm behind. Thanks for the comments. (It's just easy to have regret when I'd basically played the whole tourney well, only to go out like that).
 
I woudl put his range even lower. The short stack could eb pushing a lot of hands because he is so depserate. So, a bigger stack there might be willing to battle with a lot of hands, maybe as low as 88 or AT.

I would get it in with QQ and AK without hesitation. If I have AQ or JJ I probably curse and use time bank and eventually fold.
 
I have folded KK pre flop 3 times in my life. One time I was right (and it was for a substantial amount of money, two full buy ins at a NL cash game), one time I was dead wrong (he had pocket 8s, then when they rabbit hunted the flop and an 8 came out I had to endure a table of retards saying, "Good fold" while I felt sick to my stomach for folding KK to 88).

But those weer both cash games. The only other time I fodled it was in a STT on the first hand when I raised UTG to 45 (This was back when party poker had a 10 / 15 starting blind level) and someone in the blinds went all in. I had seen people do that with aces so I folded. Of course that is a horrendous fold. He could have had just about anything. I had just started playing online.
 
There's nothing really you could do with that hand to not make you lose any money. It's a bad call that got rewarded.

The blinds being so high relative to the stack sizes, you can't really fold aces in that spot. Can't really play it safely for pot control, it's not deep enough.



cliff notes: cold deck
 
I made a lot of money playing online poker a few years ago, but I only played limit so I wouldn't get killed on shitty beats.
 
nguboi said:
Sigh. got fairly deep in 3r last night, but ran AA into K2. I THINK I didn't raise enough, I will post hand history when I find it, it was really, pretty gross, but I guess I might of got greedy? dunno.
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If you got action from K2 in a raised pot, I would say your raise was fine. K2 outflops AA one time out of 28.7, or something like that.
 
nguboi said:
Well, I think I raised way to little really, with the relative stack sizes, and the fact people are pretty bad limping out of position to begin with... the fact I was in the SB and out of POS, I should of raised to something like 6299 or so, I mean, I WANT people with K2 to call here...... But then of course, you fear your going to lose customers.

My new conclusion, ^ cold deck as stated w/ a lil bit o greed on my part. oh wells!

And my new conclusion on poker stars is KQ s/o is the new nuts. People play it sooooooo bad online, they seriously play it like AKs. I mean, its a GREAT hand agaisnt middle pairs, really no differnt from AK when up agaisnt a pair, but damn, It seems like if I am up agaisnt it I lose, but if im jamming with it I win.

Bodog Had K10 suited as the nuts
Pstars has KQ
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How can you say you raised too little? You had around 22,000 and you raised to 4000. His call is absurd. As I said, he outflops you approximately 1 time out of 27 or 28. He put in 1/7 of your stack pre flop when he is behind 26 times out of 27.

As you said, you want action from K2, so why raise any more?
 
nguboi said:
just the fact that there was 2 limpers before me, and I was out of POS. I had around 54K at this point.

I mean, even with AA, you want to isolate right? now a raise 2.5x would not be a good idea here, as the BB and two limpers are sure to call. I guess the fact I just got one caller is fine, just got unlucky
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Oops, my fault. His stack was 22 K, not yours. It is a bit confusing since the whole HH is not there. I would say raise to 5500 or 6000, but really, who cares? You want action and you got it.
 
So I am playing some $69 45 mans tonight as usual. I get to the final 4 and push aganist what looked like a blind steal but he had a hand. The flop was a disaster, leaving me with little chance to win.

But, well.... I'll just let the picture tell the rest of the story (I am in the 6 oclock position).

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I try to avoid playing live poker. I do dumb things out of boredom. Live poker is excruciatingly boring for me and I try to make it exciting. I am profitable, but only marginally so. Since I can make $50 an hour online, why waste time playing live?

I have cost myself some potential top 3 finishes in live events by getting impatient and pushing too early. people are clueless about M or BBs in their stack or pushing ranges or whatever. Some will blind out rather than adjust their pushing range. It annoys the piss out of me. Someone will push 3 big blinds from late position and I call with any 2 from the big blind. Of course the guy has a monster hand somehow when he SHOULD be pushing any two cards, and now the table gasps and thinks I am a donk. Now when I open pots they think I have crap, which I usually do, because these jerkoffs are sitting there in a circle jerk walking each other instead of playing poker. AAAAARGH!
 
Small world!

Ok, my poker post today is a pet peeve. Having cluttered the Second Opinion pet peeve threads already, I figured I'd put on here as well.

What the fuck is up with these assholes who get all in on an obvious all in situation with a slightly better hand and then act like they are fucking Phil Hellmuth or something?

I ship 77 in an obvious push situation. The guy calls with 88 in an obvious call situation. He thinks he is go great at poker because we are playing the same range of hands but his is slightly better. Now I hit a 7 and he goes on a tirade against the "lucky donks" who stop him from being a winning player. He goes on at length about how he would be so profitable if not for people sucking out on him.

It would be funny if the person were joking, but sadly, he is almost always serious. I mean really man, do you think you are so much better than I am because your hand was one unit better?

Recently someone pushed 4 Big blinds into my BB and I called with K8 (for half my stack). The guy pushing SHOULD be pushing any 2. I cal with K8 all day. He happens to show up with ace 8. Now some losing player ridicules me. "King 8? For half your stack!? You fucking fish!" Then I beat him in a hand and he continues berating me. "You lucky donk!" I tell him off, and he says, "Shut up you fish. I see how bad you play. K8 LOL!"

Yes, KING 8 you ignorant fucking asshole. Why not check the stats and see that I have won more money than you ever have or will before lecturing me on how to play poker?

Why do losing players insult and lecture other poker players? Doesn't it occur to them that maybe my play looks stupid because they don't understand the game well enough to understand my play?

I split my poker playing between two accounts, which is a shame, because the stats would be for more dominant if I could combine the stats from both accounts. Alas.
 
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Yeah, or someone told me 'lucky catch' when I'd had JJ preflop against AQ or something, he flopped the Q and I rivered him. I was a favourite when the money went in you dipshit.

Some other fool told me I was an idiot for pushing A4 (low M situation), then when I pushed QQ or something and got caught by a worse hand he continued telling me I was an idiot (for pushing QQ against JJ). I tried to get him to play me heads-up, but he wouldn't.

The other good one is people callng each other donks at the levels I play at (mainly $2-5). We're all donks at that level, comparatively...
 
Fjones said:
Why do losing players insult and lecture other poker players?
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it's not just losing players... i see miserable attitude from winning players too. some of these guys only seem to know two bets: check and all-in and, when they take a pot - no matter the size, they gloat and berate the other players in the hand like they're the world champion. the fact that they're playing a $2 or $5 tourney doesn't seem to click.

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i pretty much always switch off the chat these days. this is why i much prefer playing in the casino. the experience is more enjoyable purely because of the setting: real chips; dealer; felt; etc. and, generally, even when people are losing, the chit chat is very civil.

alasdair
 
hey fjones - i notice you use a four colour deck. do you find it makes a big difference? do you prefer it, generally, to a regular deck?

alasdair
 
me? you, perhaps :)

i have been playing cards for a long time and i've never mistaken a card. i'll typically play between 1 and 4 windows simultaneously. i actually find the 4-colour decks distracting.

alasdair
 
Im playing a bit of online poker now, a cash game $0.50/$1 blinds no limit holdem. I think the main key to cash games online is patience and not much bluffing at all.

I got fucked over in a tourney earlier, it was a $3 rebuy which i had about 15 rebuys into and was doing pretty well untill my stack got severly shorted when i put someone all in when i had QQ and he had JJ and he hit runner runner straight to win the hand, from thereon in there was no chance of me getting back with the blinds as they were. Would have been nice to win the $8000 first prize but theres always another day :).

Doing well on the cash tables so far, patience is the key and ive made about $40 in a couple of hours work.

Cash games arent as fun as tournies but theyre still good to play IMO
 
i dont ever play 6 max, only full ring games. In live casino play i agree that agression is the way forward but it doesnt seem to work very well online at the stakes im playing, patience does at these stakes online.

edit - when i get a hand online i will play it agressively, but only if i thnk i am almost certain to win it

edit 2 - or even if i dont think i have the best hand but the opponent after the flop is showing weakness i will continue agressively to try and win.

and im always wary of slow playing online more than in live games
 
had a nice hand earlier where everyoen was raising it all up preflop and i had aces in the hole, so i pushed all in $60, the prev raise was $15, and i got two callers, one had AK the other had 99, obviously i didnt know this until the end of the hand. Ended up hitting my ace on the turn to get trips and all was well, all but tripled up =D
 
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