A serious thread about online poker

[KamMoye]

poker's really easy:

play it like it's one big session

personally i like the tao of poker, but once you are "enlightened" the trick is just discipline

which isn't a trick at all, just a lot of work

but u get out of it what u put into it

 

[Jesusgreen]

After ~6k hands I finally broke even (I don't have $50 again but I'm talking my cash game stats, since the other $10 was wasted on SNGs when I was on tilt), also the last week I've been playing a lot better than I was in the past, while it's slow, I think I'm improving a lot, and hopefully my graph will continue to rise

Here is this morning's graph:

Pretty bad for 2NL I'd say but I've made big changes to my attitude to the game, and to avoiding tilt, stop loss limits etc since I hit 4k hands, and if you look at the section from 4k to 6k hands you can see a fair improvement over the rest of the graph. Obviously though 2k hands isn't a very good hand sample, so I'll re-evaluate when I hit 25k total hands, but I think my changes to stop me tilting etc have definitely helped.

Yesterday for example my KK (all in preflop) was beaten by T4o when he flopped a FH, and while I didn't feel like I was tilting, as a precaution I took a 30 minute break and came back - and I think it's those kind of little precautions that'll help stop big losses in the future.

 

[KamMoye]

got 11 days to get SN. need 9.5k VPPs. i take one day off a week so that's about 1K VPPs a day.

hmm actually i'm cutting it kinda close. maybe i can't take a day off.

ive played like 1-2 times in the past 2 weeks. really not looking forward to grinding 30 hours a week but w/e, i'm only saying that because i've been running "bad."

the thing is your brain is wired to avoid pain. so losing -- and breaking even is "losing" to your brain imo because i may lose for 4 straight hours and then get it all back in the last 30 min -- just makes you feel like not playing. the only solution is to play through it, which of course is the last thing u feel like doing.

o well, gotta get back on regimen anyway

btw the main reason u shouldnt be playing 2 nl (or anything below 10 nl) is because it's nearly impossible just to beat the rake

 

[Jesusgreen]

I'm playing with the free $50 that PokerStrategy.com gave me, and I don't have any money spare to put into something that I'm still a beginner at. $50 only gives me room to play 2NL, yeah I understand that it's hard for people, particularly beginners like me, to even break even with the rake, but it's free money essentially, once I've earned $50 in rake for WH I can keep the $50 so anything is profit really, and if I feel comfortable with my game at that point I can deposit money on top, but I don't think the rake is unbeatable, just a big thorn in the side.

Anyway, currently at ~$42, so ~$3 up in cash games, ~$8 down overall.

 

[muntedmunter]

I've been grinding the hu sngs and making a few bux here and there...

I grinded 6max 2nl for a month, then 5nl, 10nl up to 25nl and then moved to the 2.20 sngs, 5.00 and up and up atm I'm on the 50.00 HUsngs and hopefully the 100s soon when I build the roll up...

So I've been there before grinding out at the micros, and it's great for improvement, also the training sites really helped me too and 2P2...

I would out my SN for proof but don't really want to be associated with poker mates on this forum lol..

just sort of turned pro in November and started taking it more seriously since I needed to for the money, atm it's paying the rent, going out, food, bills etc etc which is a good thing...


Lifetime Graph which includes the MTT I fluked and all HUSNGs...

November to December HUsngs

And just December

annoying thing is I don't put in nearly enough volume have only just started putting in volume as of 2 weeks ago, even took a week off in December lol...

the rakeback on stars isn't to good, with my FPPs it takes me like 3 weeks to get a $250.00 voucher and I pay around $400.00 in rake a week.

Some hands from yesterday and today...

if you want me to explain my thought process I will so you don't think im a spewy fish! haha

GL all....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker Hand Converter from PokerConverter.com

saw flop | saw showdown

Hero (BB) (t1315)
SB (t1685)

Hero's M: 17.53

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, 5

SB calls t25, Hero checks

Flop: (t100) 3

, A

, 6

(2 players)
Hero bets t50, SB raises to t200, Hero raises to t500, SB calls t300

Turn: (t1100) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

River: (t1100) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t900, Hero calls t765 (All-In)

Total pot: t2630
Main pot: t2630 between Hero and SB, won by Hero

Results:
SB had 10

, 8

(three of a kind, Aces).
Hero had K

, 5

(three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won t2630

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker Hand Converter from PokerConverter.com

saw flop | saw showdown

SB (t2120)
Hero (BB) (t880)

Hero's M: 29.33

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, 9

SB bets t40, Hero calls t20

Flop: (t80) 2

, K

, 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t40, Hero raises to t140, SB raises to t340, Hero raises to t840 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: t760
Main pot: t760 won by Hero

Results:
Hero had 10

, 9

.
Outcome: Hero won t760

 

[muntedmunter]

he got so owned today, he was obv going to show the 72o lol

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker Hand Converter from PokerConverter.com

saw flop | saw showdown

Hero (SB) (t1495)
BB (t1505)

Hero's M: 33.22

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, K

Hero bets t90, BB raises to t240, Hero calls t150

Flop: (t480) 10

, 5

, 3

(2 players)
BB bets t300, Hero calls t300

Turn: (t1080) 5

(2 players)
BB bets t450, Hero calls t450

River: (t1980) 8

(2 players)
BB bets t515 (All-In), Hero calls t505 (All-In)

Total pot: t2990
Main pot: t2990 between Hero and BB, won by Hero

Results:
Hero had Q

, K

(one pair, fives).
BB had 7

, 2

(one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero won t2990


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker Hand Converter from PokerConverter.com

saw flop | saw showdown

Hero (SB) (t1360)
BB (t1640)

Hero's M: 45.33

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4

, A

Hero bets t60, BB calls t40

Flop: (t120) 2

, 5

, 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t80, BB raises to t220, Hero calls t140

Turn: (t560) K

(2 players)
BB bets t280, Hero calls t280

River: (t1120) 7

(2 players)
BB bets t1080 (All-In), Hero calls t800 (All-In)

Total pot: t2720
Main pot: t2720 between Hero and BB, won by Hero

Results:
Hero had 4

, A

(one pair, fours).
BB had 10

, 9

(high card, King).
Outcome: Hero won t2720

 

[KamMoye]

what site has better rakeback than stars? to my knowledge SN gets over 40%, SNE gets 60%?

too paranoid to out ur name?

if u posted this on 2p2 i'm sure you'd know what they'd say: thinly veiled brag

skimmed ur post so i didnt see: what stakes do u play?

 

[muntedmunter]

yeah my post orta go in BBV lol but it aint worthy!

I play the 50 sngs on stars... Yeah I'm going to try and get to Platnium next month if I can put in more volume, been 2 tabling a bit now which should help me but my bring my ROI down, sitting on gold star atm which is around 22% rake back, Plat brings it up to around 30%...

Well I have my weekend bender and wild nights where I talk about it here, and then my poker mates who I don't know about my shenanigans lol so would like to keep it that way.

 

[muntedmunter]

atm I've been up for over 24 hrs grinding 18 hrs of them but am def not playing my A game anymore since I'm tired, but I need more money for chrissy and new yrs yo!!

grind grind grind

 

[muntedmunter]

what site has better rakeback than stars? to my knowledge SN gets over 40%, SNE gets 60%?

too paranoid to out ur name?

if u posted this on 2p2 i'm sure you'd know what they'd say: thinly veiled brag

skimmed ur post so i didnt see: what stakes do u play?

sorry didn't read

well umm like FTP you can sign up for rakeback and at the end of every week they transfer you 25% in cash (not sure of exact amounts)...

I suppose stars is the best but you need to be Platnium or higher to really get the full benefits for it which requires alot of volume if I'm playing the 50 sngs, if I was on the 100s it'd be easy.

 

[KamMoye]

grinding 8 hours a day isn't that hard!

i consider it more like 6 hours, because that's how many hours i'm actively loading tables. i play 3 hours in the afternoon, take a break (nap/workout), then 3 more hours in the evening. it takes about an hour for all the tables to close after i'm finished loading, so it totals up to 8 hours.

splitting it up into two sessions makes it very manageable! in the afternoon i can get more volume with my 180s, and in the evening most of the regs depart so it's so much softer, making it a good time to grind higher limits.

seems like i've got 2-3 months left of online poker so this'll probably be my new schedule: 36-40 hours a week. let's hope i can win 10k!

only bad thing is i'm startign to smoke a lot more weed. i never like playing poker while high -- i take my poker very seriously and don't like any distractions -- but i could see myself losing motivation and smoking weed to help myself get through the second session. plus i had to miss last night's mia/dal game; i won't be able to watch a lot of bball with this schedule =/

 

[muntedmunter]

^ haha yeah I always seem to bluff when high...

I played on xanax for around 12 hrs the other week and I don't remember playing however my graph shows me winning 550.00 and then loosing it in the session lol

so i won't be having that again.

GL to you

 

[muntedmunter]

this is why you need over 30 buy ins in the hu sngs, just some of the beats today which puts me down 700 lol...


Poker Stars $50.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1089015
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN/SB): t1455 29.10 BBs
BB: t1545 30.90 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BTN/SB with A

Q

Hero raises to t100, BB calls t50

Flop: (t200) 3

9

3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t100, BB calls t100

Turn: (t400) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t200, BB raises to t400, Hero calls t200

River: (t1200) 6

(2 players)
BB bets t500, Hero raises to t855 all in, BB calls t355

Final Pot: t2910
Hero shows A

Q

(a flush, Ace high)
BB shows 9

3

(a full house, Threes full of Nines)
BB wins t2910


Poker Stars $50.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1089019
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: t1810 90.50 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1190 59.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with T

Q

Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t200, Hero calls t140

Flop: (t400) T

5

J

(2 players)
BB bets t1610 all in, Hero calls t990 all in

Turn: (t2380) 6

(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t2380) 9

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t2380
BB shows 6

6

(three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows T

Q

(a pair of Tens)
BB wins t2380


Poker Stars $50.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1089020
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

 

[muntedmunter]

Poker Stars $50.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1089020
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN/SB: t1420 71 BBs
Hero (BB): t1580 79 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with K

A

BTN/SB calls t10, Hero raises to t80, BTN/SB calls t60

Flop: (t160) A

2

T

(2 players)
Hero bets t120, BTN/SB calls t120

Turn: (t400) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets t300, BTN/SB raises to t1220 all in, Hero calls t920

River: (t2840) 3

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2840
BTN/SB shows 3

2

(a full house, Threes full of Deuces)
Hero shows K

A

(two pair, Aces and Threes)
BTN/SB wins t2840


Poker Stars $50.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1089021
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN/SB: t1520 76 BBs
Hero (BB): t1480 74 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with K

K

BTN/SB calls t10, Hero raises to t80, BTN/SB calls t60

Flop: (t160) T

Q

9

(2 players)
Hero bets t120, BTN/SB calls t120

Turn: (t400) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets t300, BTN/SB calls t300

River: (t1000) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets t980 all in, BTN/SB calls t980

Final Pot: t2960
BTN/SB shows 2

Q

(two pair, Queens and Deuces)
Hero shows K

K

(a pair of Kings)
BTN/SB wins t2960

 

[muntedmunter]

Poker Stars $50.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1089024
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): t1930 96.50 BBs
BTN/SB: t1070 53.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 8

8

BTN/SB raises to t60, Hero raises to t200, BTN/SB calls t140

Flop: (t400) J

4

3

(2 players)
Hero bets t300, BTN/SB raises to t870 all in, Hero calls t570

Turn: (t2140) 6

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2140) 4

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2140
Hero shows 8

8

(two pair, Eights and Fours)
BTN/SB shows A

4

(three of a kind, Fours)
BTN/SB wins t2140


Poker Stars $50.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1089028
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN/SB: t2080 104 BBs
Hero (BB): t920 46 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 3

K

BTN/SB calls t10, Hero checks

Flop: (t40) 3

3

2

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t20, Hero raises to t80, BTN/SB calls t60

Turn: (t200) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets t140, BTN/SB raises to t280, Hero calls t140

River: (t760) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t500, Hero raises to t540 all in, BTN/SB calls t40

Final Pot: t1840
BTN/SB shows 3

2

(a full house, Threes full of Deuces)
Hero shows 3

K

(three of a kind, Threes)
BTN/SB wins t1840

 

[muntedmunter]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) (t1170)
BB (t1830)

Hero's M: 39.00

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, A

Hero bets t60, BB calls t40

Flop: (t120) 6

, 10

, 8

(2 players)
BB bets t40, Hero raises to t160, BB raises to t300, Hero calls t140

Turn: (t720) 4

(2 players)
BB bets t320, Hero raises to t810 (All-In), BB calls t490

River: (t2340) J

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t2340

Results:
Hero had A

, A

(one pair, Aces).
BB had 10

, J

(two pair, Jacks and tens).
Outcome: t2340 returned to BB



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 52.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) (t850)
SB (t2150)

Hero's M: 28.33

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, K

SB bets t60, Hero raises to t160, SB raises to t2150 (All-In), Hero calls t690 (All-In)

Flop: (t1700) 8

, A

, Q

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t1700) 7

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t1700) 10

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t1700

Results:
SB had A

, 4

(one pair, Aces).
Hero had K

, K

(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: t1700 returned to SB

 

[KamMoye]

how many good regs are on those HU tables? judging from those hands the level looks very profitable!

do you use PT or HEM? what's your average length of table?

 

[Crack4Lyfe]

Hello gaming lounge.

I am a veteran online poker player with some solid results over the years. There is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding out there about online poker.

I am making this post to answer any questions or have any discussions that any Bluelighters might have about online poker.

Serious posts only please, such as questions about bankroll, strategy, mental approach, the mathematics involved, game selection, etc.

Bluelight has been helpful to me and I would like to return the favor by sharing knowledge of something I am good at.

What's your username.

 

[muntedmunter]

how many good regs are on those HU tables? judging from those hands the level looks very profitable!

do you use PT or HEM? what's your average length of table?

Well these days pokers getting better and better online so there a quite a few regs...

Basically there is only ever 1 available 50.00 HU sng table and the reg will sit down and wait for a fish to join and play the fish, usually the regs won't sit with each other since it's -EV.

You need a good ROI and be able to easily beat the sngs for regs not to join, so once you establish that rep they won't join unless they're tilting or have some ego problem lol.

The games are pretty easy since you're only playing fish in the HU tables but you get streaks of runbad which I had all yesterday and many many times before and no matter what when you get it in favorite you end up loosing which is why to be safe 50 buy ins is recommended but I usually keep it on 30 buy ins.

The games last an average of 15 minutes, some go for 3 minutes, some go for 30 minutes.

When the games are juicy I'll 2 table but doing that is pretty tough for me atm since you need to concentrate on 2 different opponents pkaying 2 different styles, so I need more practice on that.

 

[muntedmunter]

I use PT for when I'm playing for their stats but also have HEM since it's easier to see your daily profits, EV, hourly etc etc

I also write notes on each opponent since a lot of them change their style of play after a few weeks and that's where PT can screw you up