RCs A-pvp vs 4-mec opinions .

[crunkazcanbe]

I was just wanting some opinions . I use 4-mec daily now for months and love the huge euphoria but how does a-pvp compare to it in terms of euphoria and come down and the urge to redose like 4-mec .

 

[Boupstarnm]

I only used a-pvp once or twice but I have a ton of experience with 4-mec.

4-mec is way more serotonin-y feeling...all the PV's are way more dopamine feeling. So like 4-mec is like (IME) laying around wishing the peak was stronger, wishing it was 4-mmc. PV's are paranoid, way more speedy, way more perverted.

It's almost like coke euphoria vs MDMA euphoria. At least in my experience. Redosing with PV's is way way wayyyy more fiendy and morish. With 4-mec you get much less effects per redose with PV's, redosing is way more effective both in effects, cost and side effects.

Personally I'd be worried about using either daily. MPA is a much more effective daily stimulant or 4-fa in lower doses. Just in terms of side effects (long term safety is unknown to me) I'd go with the latter 2 I've mentioned just in terms of side effects and how toxic they feel. If you're going to be using daily try to find a substance that has been around for a while....or shit get an adderall script.

 

[gcaudios]

I personally find 4-mec to be pure shit. Maybe I was spoiled by large amounts of 4-mmc, but my opinion, (and a lot of general consensus) regarding 4-mec is that its crap. Im not trying to rag on you in any way, if you like it, then by all means enjoy it! I just found it to be pure anxiety, almost no dopamine, just NE and 5HT rush, with no "Real" euphoria, ego boost etc. Perhaps a small amount of 4-mec with a decent stimulant might make for a good time, but Ive never personally tried it.

I recently tried a-pvp for the first time (from a solid vendor), vaped, and I found it to be nauseating, and not very rushy for the first 5 minutes. After the 5 minute mark, I got a pretty solid stimulation, similar to meth but without any significant ego boost or physical euphoria. The nausea went away after 6-7 minutes, but it was uncomfortable at first.

I personally didnt find it too more-ish, but that was mainly because of the nausea for me, I have a weak stomach. A lot of people have compared it to meth or coke. I dont find it one bit like coke, and while it does share a lot of similarities with meth, it has less anxiety, less physical euphoria, and harder on the body in the short term.

Its really comparing apples to oranges here. Just because they are both cathinone research chemicals does not mean they are comparable.

As far as using them daily goes.... using drug of these types daily can take its tole, and I dont recommend it. Ive been down numerous roads with multi-month long 4mmc, 2-fma, benzo, amp, etc etc usage. And it ALWAYS ends poorly, both mentally and physically. If you have a problem controlling yourself, I would not recommend daily usage. If for some reason you need a functional stimulant for work or school, and for some reason it HAS TO BE a research chemical, I would check out 2-fa, or 2-fma dosed ORALLY. Not nastally or vaped, but ORALLY. They dont have too much euphoria, they last a long time and are as subtle as an amphetamine can be. Cathinones are not very functional in my experience/opinion.

If youre just looking to get high/fucked up daily, I would go for something less potent than a-pvp, as well as less serotonergic than 4-mec. Perhaps (again) 2-fa, 2-fma, or even 3-mmc. The serotonergic drugs really alter your perception and such, and can heavily affect things like work, driving, thought process etc etc.

On the subject of 4-fa, again I wouldnt not recommend using a serotonergic drug daily. They will eventually mess with your head, mess with your heart, and definitely mess with your mood and attitude on a daily basis. Go for something mainly dopamine related, like I said 2-fma, or 2-fa. Although, solid legit 2-fa seems hard to come by at the moment, 2-fma is a much better bet, just remember to keep the dosing orally.

Taking empathogens daily is NOT by any means sustainable for your mind or body, keep that in mind. If you want to live to be 35, by all means keep it up. If you want to live a long healthy life, start reconsidering your drug usage.