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A psychedelic code of honor?

Aukikco

Aukikco

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Some time ago, I picked up Rick Doblin writing about a psychedelic code of honor:

Rightly so, the psychedelic code of honor is absolutely against cooperation with the police by providing information against others for matters that should not even be crimes in the first place.
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I'm interested in reading more about this topic. I googled up the exact term, but didn't find any results. Any articles, text or viewpoints are welcome.
 
It sort of seems like an assumption he made, since Rick Doblin is not a spokesperson for all psychedelics users. On the other hand, he's pretty close to one, and I think what he said holds true for a lot of people.

Tangent:
There's a lot of "doctrine" in psychedelic use. Some people think it's really obvious, for example, that "the reality we live in is not the true one" or "psychedelics remove filters from the REAL world" or that ego loss when using LSD is actually that and not simply a weird feeling from being on drugs, or a metaphor.
If you look at some of the stuff from deoxy.org you will see that a lot of this originates with Timothy Leary and his friends. Or Robert Anton Wilson (discordianism seems to come from psychedelic doctrine, the notion that we are all imposing grids on chaos)
People also spent a lot of time figuring out allegories between that idea and plant-using cultures around the world, and also ancient eastern cultures. The western cultural mainstream ignores these ideas altogether at the moment, and psychedelic for most people (non drug users) just means loads of colours and wavyness and out-there-ness.


But that's one aspect of this, and not the one you're referring to. I don't think there's any doctrine like I mentioned, nor code of honor like Rick Doblin mentioned, inherent in the drug or the effect of it, but the culture seems to strongly suggest it. There's the "don't talk to cops, ever, for any reason" meme which this seems to go nicely with.
 
Yeah, I really didn't feel that Rick was talking about any (inherent) psychedelic doctrine per se or that he would have thought that he's talking for everybody. I think he was mostly sharing the observation that many psychedelic users hold this kind of an idea in value.

I also feel that Leary wasn't at all as dogmatic as you might think if you take his stuff out of context. Even more with Wilson, who definitely knew that his metaphors about reality tunnels were just that - metaphors, not the absolute truth.

Ego, to me, also seems a metaphor - albeit a practical one. Therefore ego loss also most definitely counts as a metafor, even if it, on the level of direct experience, was most definitely real.
 
That aint a "psychedelic code of honor". Its the standard "dont snitch" code of bein a drug user. There aint nothing psychedelic-specific about the idea of not snitchin on your dealers or fellow users. Thats just a basic rule of the drug game. Ima move this over to Psychedelic drug discussion instead of close it, becuz maybe there is some kinda shit that I am missing but it looks pretty straight up to me, that aint got nothing to do with psychedelics at all, at least the part that u quoted in your OP.
 
Everyone that does drugs believes this. Some people on more addictive drugs lose sight of this belief when really deeply in their addiction and caught up in trouble.

I mean, are you seriously going to tell someone that you have NO TURNING POINT?

I mean, I could never see myself snitching. But If i had to choose between slow torturous death, or giving law enforcement information. I know I could only hold out so long before the "breaking point"

I believe that EVERYONE has a breaking point, but they are soooooo different that what may break one person would do nothing to another.... Law enforcement officials thankfully can ONLY DO SO MUCH to you in order to get information from you, So I dont ever see myself breaking and snitching, but i mean, come on, if its have your testicles hammered on with a sledge hammer for weeks at a time or tell some names, what do you think most people are going to do?

Thank god the police are actually regulated.
 
The Hebrew Hammer said:
So I dont ever see myself breaking and snitching, but i mean, come on, if its have your testicles hammered on with a sledge hammer for weeks at a time or tell some names, what do you think most people are going to do?
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Nah, man -- after a couple blows, all your nerve endings are totally destroyed, so you can't feel a thing.
 
Nah man, you gotta pull a Tyler Durden on them, just start laughing hysterically and ask for more...ha only thing is that you have to make sure you don't just get knocked out after the first blow
 
Unless you are with big time dealers, you aren't going to be killed or brutally hurt, if they are reasonable people, which most psychedelic users are. Gangs don't usually sell the stuff, they sell stuff you get hooked on like heroin or meth.
 
Im refering to LEOs, I could never see any reason to get involved with the types of people that thrive off of this shit.

what my point is is that no one has NO breaking point, there is some action, or sequence of actions that can be commenced that will break ANYONE. its just a matter of getting to that point. If the other guy (LEOs) were not restricted in what they can do to elicit information, then getting to this breaking point would be alot easier for most people.


TheAppleCore said:
Nah, man -- after a couple blows, all your nerve endings are totally destroyed, so you can't feel a thing.
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so they let you heal for a few days, without feeding you, while slowly poking you all over your body with hot rusty nails, until your balls are back to skin color enough to continue to hurt upon recommencement of sledge hammering.

Still think you could "laugh hysterically?"

Even while they rendition your wife and daughter then proceed to have them GANG RAPED REPEATEDly in front of you?

You really think you wont get to the point of "anything to stop the suffering of my loved ones and I" ?

I think alot of people talk tough, because they know they will never be in this situation. Or make jokes about it, because they dont realize what it would actually feel like to be in that situation. With no way out of hell until you are killed or give names....

I mean, you think they are NOT getting information out of these terrorists the US inteligence officers rendition?

The odds of getting yourself in this kind of trouble is not very real though, unless you are assisting in trafficking to the point that you are picked up by intelligence agencies as supporter of terrorism. again, not really a likely situation to have happen via psychedelics alone.


Depressica, did you even read the thread?
 
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^ Yeah I pretty much agree. I would squeal to non-cops, but cops can't really do that many bad things. Thats why its best to not have a family.

I did, but look at how the OP was kinda implying police, while you are implying gangs.
 
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