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Heroin A million and one heroin questions
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Eight0Eight
Bluelighter
Bupes a fucking nightmare coming off.
I clucked like a bitch for over a week - coming off 0.2mg/day.
And its not like I'm a n00b to opiates, either.
I clucked like a bitch for over a week - coming off 0.2mg/day.
And its not like I'm a n00b to opiates, either.
Only a few substances are full agonist, and those link to more receptors than partial agonist, so those are more hard to quit: heroine, morphine, methadone, codeine...
Partial like buprenorphine it's easier but each person has a personal profile with preferences and idiosincratic reactions...
Partial like buprenorphine it's easier but each person has a personal profile with preferences and idiosincratic reactions...
HOw dopesick do you think i will be
for about 9 months I have been back and forth with dope and suboxone every day , minus couple days here and there..............
usually am on suboxone about 5 days a week , only about 1-2 mg , and do Heroin about twice a week , usually about 4 bags on those days each day
So how sick would you expect me to be trying to kick ?
for about 9 months I have been back and forth with dope and suboxone every day , minus couple days here and there..............
usually am on suboxone about 5 days a week , only about 1-2 mg , and do Heroin about twice a week , usually about 4 bags on those days each day
So how sick would you expect me to be trying to kick ?
Iliemyfaceoff
Greenlighter
Its not going to be easy by any means. If I was you Id do my best to only do the subs and taper as quickly as you can stand. The mg of subs you're at isnt that much so do your best man and good luck. I hope that was some what useful.
Cane2theLeft
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Obviously, the slower the taper the less painful. It might be a good idea to first stabilize on the lowest comfortable dose of suboxone and get used to that for a bit and stay away from the heroin before you try to come off everything.
Loperamide can also be very useful in kicking suboxone, one of the moderators (sixpartseven) successfully kicked suboxone with a loperamide taper so you might want to PM him or look through his old threads on the subject. I've also used loperamide to come off full agonists and it can really make a difference for some people.
There are A LOT of threads on withdrawal (there is an excellent guide to narcotic withdrawal in the directory I believe) as well as on suboxone so have a look around and you'll come across some great information. Good luck, I really hope this works out for you and you don't have to suffer too much.
Loperamide can also be very useful in kicking suboxone, one of the moderators (sixpartseven) successfully kicked suboxone with a loperamide taper so you might want to PM him or look through his old threads on the subject. I've also used loperamide to come off full agonists and it can really make a difference for some people.
There are A LOT of threads on withdrawal (there is an excellent guide to narcotic withdrawal in the directory I believe) as well as on suboxone so have a look around and you'll come across some great information. Good luck, I really hope this works out for you and you don't have to suffer too much.
westcoastjunky
Greenlighter
Tapering is the key I was on 16mg a day for a year I finally got down to 2mg a day. I would skip a day then do 2mg I dig this for about 2 week then tried 1mg every couple of days you have to shave the pills and just kind of guess the mg. Then just stop all together its not the worst withdraw but you will definitely be tired I got a lot of leg cramps. I also got pretty depressed this lasted for about 2 weeks to a month. Your going to want dose again to feel better but fight it eventually you'll be ok. Hang in there man there is a life with out opiates. p.s try some benzos to take off the edge just don't indulge to much.
10YR AA Gone
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I don't know why anyone fucks with SUBS or DONE.
Just feel a little sick and taper on whatever you have been taking, adding benzos, blood pressure meds, hot baths, if you can stomach it sex is a great motivator too.
Have support from friends and loved ones.
Don't drink alcohol.
Love yourself and don't give up. Go out and get out of bed - do a good deed. I know it sounds silly but it will help.
Just feel a little sick and taper on whatever you have been taking, adding benzos, blood pressure meds, hot baths, if you can stomach it sex is a great motivator too.
Have support from friends and loved ones.
Don't drink alcohol.
Love yourself and don't give up. Go out and get out of bed - do a good deed. I know it sounds silly but it will help.
" don't know why anyone fucks with SUBS or DONE.
We do this to try to stay clean and stable without the constant ups and downs of active addiction. It takes at least a modicum of commitment and effort, and a self-prescribed regimen of occasional heroin won't cut it. Many folks start into it with the "if I can just 'fix' whatever I think is causing me pain, I'll be able to do as I please" mentality. I have never known of this to work for any length of time!
We do this to try to stay clean and stable without the constant ups and downs of active addiction. It takes at least a modicum of commitment and effort, and a self-prescribed regimen of occasional heroin won't cut it. Many folks start into it with the "if I can just 'fix' whatever I think is causing me pain, I'll be able to do as I please" mentality. I have never known of this to work for any length of time!
Cyb
Bluelighter
^ It's very hard to sucessfully taper with a full, recreational agonist. There's just too much temptation to ''feel a little more'' or ''feel a little better'' from the drug. This temptation does not so much exist with Suboxone, due to the fact that it doesn't get you high, beyond a point of being well - nor with methadone, due to the fact that it doesn't conform to the 4 point 'morphine rule', and it's controlled dosing environment.
thelung
Bluelighter
this Q pops up so often here in OD. Nobody can tell how dopesick somebody else will be because it all depends on what you used, how much of it, and your body chemistry. I would recommend getting that Xanax you mentioned (or any other benzo) and I would also recommend against getting Morphine because it might make you say "fuck it" and just jump right back in again. Kicking opiates is really hard so i wish you the best of luck and update us along the way!
Hobby
Greenlighter
I'm sorry I can not tell you exactly what to do. I know there is a solution for you but since I have not walked in your shoes I am not the one to ask.
What I HAVE noticed about drug addiction, with ANY self re-hab we always use another drug/drug-combo to fix us, or to replace the addiction with something we are not addicted to YET. We use in place of the other and in the begining it's the best hope, but then we get on that one and have to start looking for the exit door once again.
When and where does it end? Suboxone is nasty to me and if I use it I will be addicted to it before the end of 3 months lets say. I am actually looking for the answer to this craziness. Where does it end? Is the answer to move to a less addictiv drug OR is it to go out on the same drug with limtied doses?
I "think" the limited doses of the same drug is the answer although I have been unsuccessful in both endevours. This does not mean that YOU will be unsuccessful and maybe I need to try again...and again...lol. hth's
What I HAVE noticed about drug addiction, with ANY self re-hab we always use another drug/drug-combo to fix us, or to replace the addiction with something we are not addicted to YET. We use in place of the other and in the begining it's the best hope, but then we get on that one and have to start looking for the exit door once again.
When and where does it end? Suboxone is nasty to me and if I use it I will be addicted to it before the end of 3 months lets say. I am actually looking for the answer to this craziness. Where does it end? Is the answer to move to a less addictiv drug OR is it to go out on the same drug with limtied doses?
I "think" the limited doses of the same drug is the answer although I have been unsuccessful in both endevours. This does not mean that YOU will be unsuccessful and maybe I need to try again...and again...lol. hth's
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Merged into 1,000,001 Heroin Q's
You've posted quite a few threads recently, do you think you could stick to one of them, or the mega thread?
Thank you.
You've posted quite a few threads recently, do you think you could stick to one of them, or the mega thread?
Thank you.
sluggoodies
Greenlighter
hope to help
At one point i was on 16mg of suboxone daily as one other poster admits, this is no solution, simply replacement. For me obstaining from suboxone was quite easy, this is of course because i had opiates at the ready. Tho it took about a week for the suboxone to get out of my system. As it happend the opiates were no longer available and my withdrawl from merely wanting the opiates was quick. Not sure how you can trick yourself like I was fooled. Maybe take a high dose of sub for a bit...then you cant get high even if you wanted to.
At one point i was on 16mg of suboxone daily as one other poster admits, this is no solution, simply replacement. For me obstaining from suboxone was quite easy, this is of course because i had opiates at the ready. Tho it took about a week for the suboxone to get out of my system. As it happend the opiates were no longer available and my withdrawl from merely wanting the opiates was quick. Not sure how you can trick yourself like I was fooled. Maybe take a high dose of sub for a bit...then you cant get high even if you wanted to.
slackboxed
Bluelighter
I find that clonidine and benzos with suboxone are the best tools for withdrawl while still being a functioning member of society. Benzos take the mental fuckage away, clonadine takes the hot/cold flashes and some of the muscle aches away and the suboxone does well you know suboxone things.
Man I wish I could afford to get the ibogaine treatment.
Man I wish I could afford to get the ibogaine treatment.
djnj
Greenlighter
yo buddy
yo jake...I'm 28 from south jersey too.....I've been on the heroin suboxone shuffle for 5 years....I've got clean quite a few times....only lasted about 3-5 months...4 times in the past 5 years....I was taking subs 4-5 days during the week...4-8 mg than doing like 20 cmd bags on the weekend.....
If you want to quit....do the dope for your last time....than wean off the subs....the subs stay in your system for like 5-8 days man....especially if you've been taking them long like me.....But yeah you want to wean as gradually as possible....something like 4mg for a week, 3.5mg week, so on so forth....than when you get down to .5mg you want to alternate days...on, on, off, on off, off , on, off, off, off, than .25mg and so on so forth....you could do it quicker...like 4mg for a week than 2mg for a week, than 1mg couple days and so on so forth...
when you are completely off the subs, you definitely want to have clonidine for your blood pressure and the shitz man, it works wonders.....it constipates you helps you sleep and chills you out! 0.2mg or whatever every 4 to six hours for a week or so....Also some ativan or valium or xanax will help....your going to want to lay in the bath or hot tub as much as possible during these times...you will prob want to jerk off alot...its just natural....although nothing will come out....i know, sorry for being graphic, but its the truth if your a true opiate fiend....you'll also want lots of vitamins with metals, zinc and so on so forth...lots of candy and sugar....chocolate and water...WATER to flush.....now you might sleep a little the first week....but man when the second week hits, its brutal....thats the harderst part...getting through the 2nd week of subs to about 6 weeks man.....than after that you have something called "anhedonia" which last anywhere from 2-6 months, where you have no joy in life from lack of dopamine, until your body starts creating some....thats what exercise and tyrosine, vitamins b6, b5, multivitamins, fruits and veggies help...good diet and exercise will really help..i couldn't sleep a lick that 2nd week through 5th week man....it blows and is definitely the worst part.....
holler at me if you really want to stop man....I need to to again, I just picked up again, I had 4 months until oct 5 when I learned my dad had cancer...no excuse....
But the withdrawl is real bareable...it sux....but mostly you'll have absolutely no energy at all and will really have to force yourself to get up for awhile....Make sure your really prepared to stop, otherwise its a waste...also because your tolerance will drop and than you could do dope and die....My best friend just died like this last week.....
Be Safe and good luck if you do try....
yo jake...I'm 28 from south jersey too.....I've been on the heroin suboxone shuffle for 5 years....I've got clean quite a few times....only lasted about 3-5 months...4 times in the past 5 years....I was taking subs 4-5 days during the week...4-8 mg than doing like 20 cmd bags on the weekend.....
If you want to quit....do the dope for your last time....than wean off the subs....the subs stay in your system for like 5-8 days man....especially if you've been taking them long like me.....But yeah you want to wean as gradually as possible....something like 4mg for a week, 3.5mg week, so on so forth....than when you get down to .5mg you want to alternate days...on, on, off, on off, off , on, off, off, off, than .25mg and so on so forth....you could do it quicker...like 4mg for a week than 2mg for a week, than 1mg couple days and so on so forth...
when you are completely off the subs, you definitely want to have clonidine for your blood pressure and the shitz man, it works wonders.....it constipates you helps you sleep and chills you out! 0.2mg or whatever every 4 to six hours for a week or so....Also some ativan or valium or xanax will help....your going to want to lay in the bath or hot tub as much as possible during these times...you will prob want to jerk off alot...its just natural....although nothing will come out....i know, sorry for being graphic, but its the truth if your a true opiate fiend....you'll also want lots of vitamins with metals, zinc and so on so forth...lots of candy and sugar....chocolate and water...WATER to flush.....now you might sleep a little the first week....but man when the second week hits, its brutal....thats the harderst part...getting through the 2nd week of subs to about 6 weeks man.....than after that you have something called "anhedonia" which last anywhere from 2-6 months, where you have no joy in life from lack of dopamine, until your body starts creating some....thats what exercise and tyrosine, vitamins b6, b5, multivitamins, fruits and veggies help...good diet and exercise will really help..i couldn't sleep a lick that 2nd week through 5th week man....it blows and is definitely the worst part.....
holler at me if you really want to stop man....I need to to again, I just picked up again, I had 4 months until oct 5 when I learned my dad had cancer...no excuse....
But the withdrawl is real bareable...it sux....but mostly you'll have absolutely no energy at all and will really have to force yourself to get up for awhile....Make sure your really prepared to stop, otherwise its a waste...also because your tolerance will drop and than you could do dope and die....My best friend just died like this last week.....
Be Safe and good luck if you do try....
djnj
Greenlighter
the withdrawl will definitely be shorter....3-7 days.....but the first couple days will be very intense....I would do the subs man...its easier....I tried coming off dope with a taper of methadone in rehab...40 down to 5 in 5 days....it sucked...the subs were better to come off of....its just more easy to handle if you have the right meds and food....AND OF COURSE ATTITUDE AND BEHAVIORS>>>
