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dextrous

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So I guess bluelight is too far in the spotlight and hence a lot of threads are being deleted.

In the most blatent terms it's becoming quite shitty.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of you guys are really informative, smart and aware, but as things get busy we start to get some prying eyes.

Would anyone know of any forum/s which are a bit less restrictive in terms of drug discussion (i.e. not only about 'harm reduction)?

I'd love a PM if anyone does know (so those prying eyes don't catch on of course!).


Cheers folks. Over & OUT!
 
howdy dextrous,

if you look at the reason bluelight was set up and operates under it would clearly state harm reduction is the main purpose of the discussion board. Part of logging on as a user has you agreeing to the BLUAA which means that being part of the board means that you have to abide by certain conditions of entry.

you have the right to participate as much as you want in this place and even more you have the right to not participate should you not find what you are looking for. BL works on the premise that drugs are not a entirely safe activity to participate in and if people are going to participate in them, well how bout we have some discusssions regarding reducing the potential for risk and harm.

your statement woul imply that you are seeking more of a harm induction kind of discussion, what interests me behind this is what is the need/mindset driving this. Would you prefer to harm yourself? dont care for the consequences as long as the high is right? If so a quick search on potentiating drugs affects would answer that question.
 
Mick has pretty much hit the nail on the head. Bluelight isn't a site dedicated to getting fucked up or a place where you can score drugs - it's a harm reduction site first and foremost. If its content no longer interests you than you are free to make your way through the traffic to any other site on the net.

The sites like bluelight thread might help you out.

Best of luck with your travels and I hope you stay safe in your adventures. :)
 
howdy dextrous,

if you look at the reason bluelight was set up and operates under it would clearly state harm reduction is the main purpose of the discussion board. Part of logging on as a user has you agreeing to the BLUAA which means that being part of the board means that you have to abide by certain conditions of entry.

you have the right to participate as much as you want in this place and even more you have the right to not participate should you not find what you are looking for. BL works on the premise that drugs are not a entirely safe activity to participate in and if people are going to participate in them, well how bout we have some discusssions regarding reducing the potential for risk and harm.

your statement woul imply that you are seeking more of a harm induction kind of discussion, what interests me behind this is what is the need/mindset driving this. Would you prefer to harm yourself? dont care for the consequences as long as the high is right? If so a quick search on potentiating drugs affects would answer that question.


Well that was a whole lot of assumption based on the little I said. Forget about what you think my statement implies, what I mean to say is there is too much censorship here, and you know censorship is never a great thing! I'm sure BL mods would like to keep some threads around which get deleted, but due to the nature of this forum it can't happen.

censorship=/=harm reduction.

What makes you think other forums would not offer advice on harm reduction either?

I was always going to stick around bluelight, I was just looking to spread my wings a little bit (in terms of AUSTRALIAN drug forums).



Thanks for the replies folks, just wanted to clear that up :)
 
censorship=/=harm reduction.

I disagree. Censeroship is a current buzz word. People are throwing it around left right and centre.

As a BL mod i work withing the guidelines of ausdd for the benefit of forum and bl in general.

What sort of discussion would you like to see? I agree there is a whole spectrum pf drug disccussion regarding aus. Its not just hr and anti hr.

So what would you like to see that you cant currently
 
I think he weighs a fair point askign about other drug forum site's.

But I think there is plenty of discussion here that isn't entirely HR people telling stories, and asking general questions to do with drugs and drug behaviour. As far as censoring is concerned I see very little on bluelight, you do see the occasional comment saying "deleted by whoever for innapropritate blah blah" but I think we trust the mods to only do this when they feel it's truly neccesary (outside the guidelines)

And the guidelines are pretty open really, theirs not much they don't let you do, mostly just sorucing and pricing. Which i totally agree with, and I think you would find most other forums are no different on that aspect.

And if you're ever really bored and looking for something to read about to do with drugs, erowid.org is your new home. It's filled with detailed information on every drug you can think of, and also has stories from people who have used both in moderate and high doses.

Oh yeah... and GO PILLREPORTS :p

=D
 
.....what I mean to say is there is too much censorship here, and you know censorship is never a great thing! I'm sure BL mods would like to keep some threads around which get deleted, but due to the nature of this forum it can't happen.

It's less about censorship and more about complying with an agreed set of guidelines and values - which you agree to abide by when you sign up. As with any community, the benefits of such a system far outweigh a free for all. Forums which have few or no rules are seldom good sources of info, as there's often so much shit to wade through to find what you're after. FWIW, I also visit other forums - both drug and non-drug focused - where adherence to both sensibility and forum rules is very strictly enforced, with those who post crap often flamed beyond anything seen here. Yet, with more than one of those forums, the subject material is often significantly more controversial than stuff posted here.

So, good management practice is all about sorting the wheat from the chaff.

As for the deleted Aus DD threads; I'd say we mods are pretty much all on the same page with regards to deleted/unapproved threads. If any one of us does have any objection or thoughts on a particular thread then I'd expect it would be brought up and discussed between us all. I try to BCC other mods any controversial or potentially problematic PMs I send. Quite often a particular thread or post pops up which is boarder line, or unintentionally contravenes the guidelines. In an isolated case, official warnings and infringements are rarely given straight off, unlike some other BL forums where this is more strictly enforced.


The emphasis of this forum is on HR, and I for one am very pleased to see a return of more posts with a HR feel. It's natural some will feel differently on certain issues, but you can't hope to please all the people all of the time. There are other changes in the wind for Aus DD, changes that will hopefully further limit discussion on unrelated matters. Such changes might also not sit well with everyone, but as I've said before, if you're not here solely to talk about quantities consumed, looking to deal/source or just generally create havoc, then you should find these changes will improve things.


So I guess bluelight is too far in the spotlight and hence a lot of threads are being deleted.


Yes, authorities monitor this site carefully, and I can speak with more certainty on this subject today than ever before. Yet, even if they didn't, I doubt much would change; the basic guidelines have essentially remained the same since the inception of the site over a decade ago. Yes, more loose talk was once seen, but that did little to assist those who came here looking for HR info - it often just meant wading through more pages of babble to find what they were after.

...Don't get me wrong, a lot of you guys are really informative, smart and aware.....

Then you need to ask yourself if you'd prefer a place with less rules but with less of these posters. If the people you're referring to are here now and/or have been for a while, doesn't that say something about the place as it currently stands? From the way the forum is atm, we are even seeing old skool Blers come back, often with wise words and experience. To me that signals that things are heading in the right direction.


Would anyone know of any forum/s which are a bit less restrictive in terms of drug discussion (i.e. not only about 'harm reduction)?

I'd love a PM if anyone does know (so those prying eyes don't catch on of course!).

While I'm certainly not handing you that knowledge on a plate, I will say there are many forums out there where talk is less directed towards HR. A Google search should reveal some. Others can be found by looking more closely at sites offering legal highs. Then there are those where you must be invited, however, those who post in such places are unlikely to extend an invitation without first ensuring a person is worthy. In many cases, knowledge, intent and sensibility are the main requirements, and recognition must first be earned.


In regards to "prying eyes", I can tell you now that these days few stones remained unturned. Various agencies monitoring drug trends and supply look at this place and others like it every day. Why wouldn't they? Drug discussion sites are where much of what they're after first pops up. If you can get access, check out the psychonaut web mapping project. You'll find BL pages on some of their publications, even one featuring a post by our own leftwing. This is only one of such organisations which see BL and other forums as among their greatest resources. Even some hidden forums are known, and it's widely acknowledged there are others yet to be discovered.

In the most blatent terms it's becoming quite shitty.

If you think that, and have something constructive to offer, then as Sykik said, fire away with your suggestions.
 
I have a question...

Perhaps whats needed to lift spirits around bluelight is a casual thread. About peoples best and worst times on drugs.

I for one love stories about peoples experiences and reminissing about good times makes me feel good. Would this be in the direction of HR though?

Well not entirely, and it might give a bit more crap to sift through, however I also think it would have HR values to it. Best times and amounts taken in these instances help us all to see comparisons between us new comers and you old timers.

And for the worst times, this helps to see hear about some of the really bad combo's that are out there, so we don't try something we shouldn't without realising or how easy it is to od on various substances.

This thread would have limited HR value though, I'd love for you mods to discuss this and if you feel its a worthy thread open one up and see where it goes.
 
This site makes interesting reading...
http://www.whozadog.com/bbs/index.php

It basically a public free for all naming and shaming corrupt police, child molesters and drug dealers. Large disclaimer means there is no real moderating as such. Another popular Australian forum with a similar demographic as Bluelight has been "outed" and several members names, photos and addresses posted with the claims that they were drug dealers etc.

I only mention it because it shows how powerful and destructive tool the internet can be. I feel that Bluelight, and particularly ADD perform a commendable job of providing invaluable information while still being "respected" in the broader community.

Anyhow, surely facebook is how all the young kids source nowdays. ;)
 
I have a question...

Perhaps whats needed to lift spirits around bluelight is a casual thread. About peoples best and worst times on drugs.

I for one love stories about peoples experiences and reminissing about good times makes me feel good. Would this be in the direction of HR though?

Well not entirely, and it might give a bit more crap to sift through, however I also think it would have HR values to it. Best times and amounts taken in these instances help us all to see comparisons between us new comers and you old timers.

And for the worst times, this helps to see hear about some of the really bad combo's that are out there, so we don't try something we shouldn't without realising or how easy it is to od on various substances.

This thread would have limited HR value though, I'd love for you mods to discuss this and if you feel its a worthy thread open one up and see where it goes.

Like a social thread, this was raised, trialed, and after serious discussion, was decided it didn't live in AusDD. How would your thread be any different. If it isn't the previous experiment was considered a failure.

We're here to help, believe it or not.

Note: not to help you score, but to help you survive after you have.
 
Fuck, they certainly did a number on those guys Busty, very disturbing stuff, particularly when it seems more than likely it's some sort of personal vendetta rather than genuine concerns about drugs and safety.
 
Thought you would like that p_d. Seems to stem from some disgruntled "friend". Apparently as a direct result of that forum juvenile crime and grafitti has been reduce by 75% while savage sack beatings have increase 500%. ;)
 
If i got kicked out of bluelight for talking about bleaching my anus and the drug that causes this lighter shade of pink around my ringhole.Yet reading other bluelighter comments and threads just does not make sense.

Where did all the fun go with not being so serious.

Do not know of any other forums that are loose,sorry mate.
 
The problem with casual or social threads is they inevitably drift into non-related and often awkward territory, where opinions can more than clash. If you want a social type thread I suggest you approach one of the other forum mods. This isn't the place for it.
 
If i got kicked out of bluelight for talking about bleaching my anus and the drug that causes this lighter shade of pink around my ringhole.Yet reading other bluelighter comments and threads just does not make sense.

Since you're keen to discuss this here, I'll respond to your comments here.

Perhaps it's got something to do with how your posts were worded? You were given a 3 day holiday so you could think about this and why you received the ban. BTW, mods weren't the only ones complaining - there were also reports from posters.

Where did all the fun go with not being so serious.

Well, fun exclusion certainly isn't a requirement for effective harm reduction, but it's important to realise others often have a different sense of humour. Therefore, conduct is everything - hey I like nothing more than a dirty joke or even the more politically incorrect - to me, if it's funny, I laugh and I don't believe I'm a sexist or a racist because of it. But I appreciate that other people may become quite upset by such humour, so I try not to say things in jest that may be offensive to others. It's common courtesy and also a good way to make friends :)

Do not know of any other forums that are loose,sorry mate.

They're out there if you look in the right places.
 
That Whozadog site has some seriously vindictive shit on it. I feel very sorry for the people posting on there.

I would hate to be organizing bush doofs with those guys around thats for sure.
 
If i got kicked out of bluelight for talking about bleaching my anus and the drug that causes this lighter shade of pink around my ringhole.Yet reading other bluelighter comments and threads just does not make sense.

Where did all the fun go with not being so serious.

Do not know of any other forums that are loose,sorry mate.

AHAHAHAHAHA!

A thread about this site being too restrictive and the biggest bullshit poster ever chimes in.

thank you lujoyalin - you do make me laugh!
 
Okay so the verdict is that there's no other public Australian drug forum out there. Fair enough.

Now, one question, isn't BL hosted in russia (hence .ru) ?

I don't see how anyone can be liable for what they say on here and I am sure that nobody can get in trouble for not using the term SWIM when referring to themselves.

So why all the censorship? Why can't we discuss the grey areas, e.g. extractions, importation, pricing?

So what if the pigs are watching? They can't do anything..

I thought this was 'Australian Drug DISCUSSION', not 'Australian Drug Harm Prevention'. I'd go to erowid for that kind of information avaliable at a click of a mouse anyway.

Let me give an example of where this is already accepted: shoomery.org. Been a member for over 5 years there and it is basically anything goes. You don't seen Ythan, the owner of shroomery getting locked up, because he isn't breaking any laws. Another example; 4chan. Yes it's grim, but it is MUCH more unrestricted than any place on the internet, but is moot (the owner) going down for it?


I may be speaking out of ignorance but can someone inform me why bluelight is so harsh compared to other related forums?
 
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