Hello Bluelight community! Lately I've been getting into psychedelic drugs and learning about them and I'm hoping to embark on my first psychedelic experience in just a few weeks. I just have some general questions and any help is great. For my first trip I've heard of having bad trips, images of death, fear, stuff like that and I was wondering if I were to have a bad first trip (planning on taking 2C-E or Mushrooms) What should I do to bring my trip back to the fun positive side? its Permatripping(?) a real thing, where your stuck tripping forever? And final question is: What drugs give you visuals of intense fractals, patterns, and space and universe (if that makes sense) visuals? Thanks!
-
PD Moderators: Esperighanto | JackARoe |
A few questions.
- Thread starter Qu1King
- Start date
MrGrunge
Bluelighter
1) You can abort the trip at any time with benzos if things get too intense, but I consider bad trips to be a crucial component of the psychedelic experience.
2) Permatripping is not a real thing. Some people complain of HPPD after their psychedelic experiments, but usually these people are just noticing (for the first time) natural color/fractal patterns which they interpret as a "persistent trip".
3) DMT/Acid/Shrooms/etc etc etc. Fractal patterns and a sense of otherwordliness are common features of most psychedelic trips.
2) Permatripping is not a real thing. Some people complain of HPPD after their psychedelic experiments, but usually these people are just noticing (for the first time) natural color/fractal patterns which they interpret as a "persistent trip".
3) DMT/Acid/Shrooms/etc etc etc. Fractal patterns and a sense of otherwordliness are common features of most psychedelic trips.
MrGrunge
Bluelighter
Benzodiazepines are anti-anxiety drugs. A lot of people use them for when their trips turn bad.
First of all, let me say that the best way to combat having a bad trip is to make sure that you are in a good place mentally before you take any psychedelic. If you have any lingering fears, doubts, or worries, they might manifest themselves in your trip. But if you are content with your current life, all should be fine. Also, I've noticed that a good way to get out of the beginning of a bad trip is to accept everything that is happening to you. Tell yourself that you will be okay; that everything will pass. Give yourself in to the drug, and you will be happy.
However I suggest you take a look at the Trip Abortion Thread if you want to keep that alternative in mind.
And like MrGrunge said, most psychedelics will produce visuals of fractals and geometric patterns. There's even a recent thread floating around as to why they are such a common feature. 2C-E will definitely give you what you want. I personally saw a lot of things swirling, and fractals out of nature.
However I suggest you take a look at the Trip Abortion Thread if you want to keep that alternative in mind.
And like MrGrunge said, most psychedelics will produce visuals of fractals and geometric patterns. There's even a recent thread floating around as to why they are such a common feature. 2C-E will definitely give you what you want. I personally saw a lot of things swirling, and fractals out of nature.
Psychotrope
Greenlighter
Set and setting! If you're unfamiliar with that term, google it up and do some reading. There is a good deal of information about it, but here's a quick rundown. Set refers to your mind set leading up to and going into the experience. Its good to go into it with a calm, relaxed, open, confident (but respectful!) attitude. None of that "Hurrr, I'ma get fucked up and trip my nuts off!" Although it seems like you're not in that place anyway. Before tripping I'd suggest sorting out any major fears you have about it. If you're really unsure or scared, its not the right time. Get to know your body and mind better and come back to psychedelics at a later date. The most important thing to remember is that its just a drug, its not reality and it wont stay that way forever. If you're taking a reasonable dose of a well used drug, you're more than likely going to come out of it okay. Try coming up with a mantra or happy thought that you can keep tucked away in your head, and focus on it if you start to have trouble during the trip. Even if you have a bad trip, if you accept it and work through it you'll probably come through it okay. Maybe a bit shaken up, but okay. If your trip goes south, don't try to "run" from it, or start into a train of thought where you're like "OH FUCK OH FUCK I'M HAVING A BAD TRIP! SHIIIIIIT!" It doesn't help. But it brings me to the next point...
A trip sitter. Someone who you know and trust who can stay with you (in a sober state) and assist you if you're having a hard time. Somebody who has experience sitting is best, or who at least has experience with such drugs and knows their shit. This can be EXTREMELY helpful, as having someone to talk you back down and to comfort you if you get scared. Or to just help get you things like water and stuff. And if your trip goes phenomenally and you have an earth shattering realization or experience, it can be fantastic to have someone there to help bring you back to reality when you come down. And talking to them about it may help you to integrate such an experience better.
Setting: Simply put, its where you decide to trip. This should be a safe place where you wont have to worry about getting in trouble or where there's danger about. Your house is a good place. If you live with parents, don't do it with them around! Unless they're into that kinda thing. Outdoors can also be good, but make sure that its not an area where you'll have tons of people (cops especially) running across you. And DEFINITELY have a sitter if you're going somewhere remote. Don't wanna get lost in the woods with a head full of mushroom. I suggest your or your sitter's house so that you'll have a safe place to trip out, where you can get water, food, music, etc at your leisure. I would say DON'T do it the first time at a club, a rave, out in the city, etc. Its just not a good idea your first time.
Other ways to help with anxiety and fear. Take time to get ready for the experience. Some suggestions: Clean the space you'll be tripping in, take a nice cleansing shower, light some incense, take some calming and grounding deep breaths, meditate for a while, focus on what you want from the trip (I.E. a mind expanding, exploratory, awaking experience, or whatever your intention is), have a nice cup of tea (green, peppermint, or chamomile are good), listen to some music that puts in you a good headspace, then sit back and enjoy the ride! You don't have to do all that, but they're suggestions.
Permatripping isn't real. You'll come down when the drug wears off, which usually isn't THAT long. You may have a slightly shifted perspective after, but you wont be "tripping." Now, if you abuse the fuck out of psychedelics then you may find yourself in a perpetually...warped state of mind.
Make sure you're WELL educated on the drug you're taking so that you know what to expect as far as side-effects, duration, etc. And lastly, have fun!
Edit: Shit that wasn't a quick rundown at all.
A trip sitter. Someone who you know and trust who can stay with you (in a sober state) and assist you if you're having a hard time. Somebody who has experience sitting is best, or who at least has experience with such drugs and knows their shit. This can be EXTREMELY helpful, as having someone to talk you back down and to comfort you if you get scared. Or to just help get you things like water and stuff. And if your trip goes phenomenally and you have an earth shattering realization or experience, it can be fantastic to have someone there to help bring you back to reality when you come down. And talking to them about it may help you to integrate such an experience better.
Setting: Simply put, its where you decide to trip. This should be a safe place where you wont have to worry about getting in trouble or where there's danger about. Your house is a good place. If you live with parents, don't do it with them around! Unless they're into that kinda thing. Outdoors can also be good, but make sure that its not an area where you'll have tons of people (cops especially) running across you. And DEFINITELY have a sitter if you're going somewhere remote. Don't wanna get lost in the woods with a head full of mushroom. I suggest your or your sitter's house so that you'll have a safe place to trip out, where you can get water, food, music, etc at your leisure. I would say DON'T do it the first time at a club, a rave, out in the city, etc. Its just not a good idea your first time.
Other ways to help with anxiety and fear. Take time to get ready for the experience. Some suggestions: Clean the space you'll be tripping in, take a nice cleansing shower, light some incense, take some calming and grounding deep breaths, meditate for a while, focus on what you want from the trip (I.E. a mind expanding, exploratory, awaking experience, or whatever your intention is), have a nice cup of tea (green, peppermint, or chamomile are good), listen to some music that puts in you a good headspace, then sit back and enjoy the ride! You don't have to do all that, but they're suggestions.
Permatripping isn't real. You'll come down when the drug wears off, which usually isn't THAT long. You may have a slightly shifted perspective after, but you wont be "tripping." Now, if you abuse the fuck out of psychedelics then you may find yourself in a perpetually...warped state of mind.
Make sure you're WELL educated on the drug you're taking so that you know what to expect as far as side-effects, duration, etc. And lastly, have fun!
Edit: Shit that wasn't a quick rundown at all.
Last edited:
Devourer
Bluelighter
Go with the 2c-e!!!
you just accept shit on it, and your trip will prolly be fairly smooth, (take 15mg or less)
if you can get 2c-D as it's the most mild 2c.
Mushrooms, being hardcore tryptamines IMO seem to make you go a bit crazy in the noggin, unlike 2c-e, and prolly will be something an unexperienced tripper might not get used to, and might in essence cause a 'bad trip'
no such thing as a bad trip on the 2c's so far for me, mainly because theyre a phenethylamine (a roll, like ecstasy) rather than a tryptamine like shrooms/dmt (though i still have yet to have a bad dmt trip)
you just accept shit on it, and your trip will prolly be fairly smooth, (take 15mg or less)
if you can get 2c-D as it's the most mild 2c.
Mushrooms, being hardcore tryptamines IMO seem to make you go a bit crazy in the noggin, unlike 2c-e, and prolly will be something an unexperienced tripper might not get used to, and might in essence cause a 'bad trip'
no such thing as a bad trip on the 2c's so far for me, mainly because theyre a phenethylamine (a roll, like ecstasy) rather than a tryptamine like shrooms/dmt (though i still have yet to have a bad dmt trip)