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A few questions about codeine

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blinkybill

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So, I was just curious about the effects, dosages, and means of administering the drug, codeine. Specifically, codeine phosphate. Obviously, it's commonly in pill form, but is it possible to IV? I know everyone says "don't IV pills", but is it REALLY that bad? I know the technique of safe IV etc, as performed with other drugs such as methamphetamine (crank) and cocaine. Is it VERY harmful to simply crush up a pill (VERY, VERY fine), then mix with water, draw up and slam? Also, is crushing up and snorting a pill at all effective. I know it is with certain drugs (have used this method for Oxycontin as an example), but not sure about the bioavailability of codeine.

Second question, what is the recommended dosage of codeine for a decent "high", assuming this person has zero tolerance. I have swallowed 120mg of codeine before, and it's been quite numbing, do the effects intensify at higher dosages?

I am aware of the dangers of too much ibuprofen/paracetamol(acetaminophen) as well, so no lectures please!

Thanks in advance for the help!

Jimmy.
 
Desired effects:
Sedation, relaxation, happiness (euphoria seems like too powerful a term for me when it comes to codeine), sleepiness, and some people, such as myself, nod.
Possible side-effects:
Nausea, dizziness, blurred vision, confusion, slurred speech.
Ofc these are all amplified if the person has no tolerance whatsoever.

Dosages:
For a first time user, I would suggest about 200 to 230mg assuming there's no paracetamol. I took about 230mg the first time and nodded really hard, was great.
And yes the effects intensify at higher dosages but I think there's a plateau around 300mg after which the effects don't change.
 
IV'ing codeine is not a good idea because it can cause a serious reaction which can result in anaphylaxis and death. So regardless of issues with injecting pills that's a pretty good reason to stay away right there.

The good news is since it's largely a pro-drug for morphine, injecting it would probably not make a difference anyways (it has to pass through the liver to be metabolized, and as such there likely wouldn't be any "rush" associated with injection like with heroin even if you could safely inject it).

For that reason too, snorting would probably not be at all useful, although I can't remember if it's unsafe or if it's just a waste of time.

Secondly, if 120 does it for you then you may as well stick around that for now. I found when I used to do it my tolerance got up to about 200 over time, but when I first started I could get effects out of 60. The effects are obviously stronger in higher dosages but I don't find it's really worth jumping up right away.

Finally, APAP or aspirin or ibuprofen can be removed very easily to prevent liver damage. You mix the pills in with cold water after crushing them (with ASA containing pills this is easier), and filter through a coffee filter - making sure it doesn't break and possibly filtering twice. The APAP or ASA will mostly not dissolve in cold water, the codeine will, so the white gunk will be all the APAP and ASA, and the clear-ish solution that you end up with after filtering will be water with codeine dissolved.

This is called a Cold Water Extraction, and you can look it up to find more techniques. I'd recommend against using shirts or jeans, personally.

This is especially important to do if you've got low amounts of codeine per tab and want to dose high. In Canada for example 8mg or 15mg are common 8 being OTC. With 8 you can only do negligeable amounts before liver toxicity is a worry, unless you filter it.

rizmatter said:
sounds good, wtf does nodding mean tho
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Nodding is when you're sedated and high and just kind of drift in and out, without actually getting knocked out.
 
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watch out for constipation, a good solid codeine poop is like passing a teddy bears arm.
 
90 mg is a good starting dose with codeine for the opiate-naive individual, not much higher. It might seem like a lightweight opiate, but for someone who is opiate-naive, do not take above 120 mg despite above recommendations. 90 mg can give a good high for an opiate-naive individual, even a great high, but opiates, on the whole, are an accquired taste for a lot of people who just don't "get" them off the bat as in don't understand why the high is so good and/or cannot really feel what it is. Opiates are subtle, but very powerful euphoriants. Don't expect to get fucked up like you would with drinking, expect warm, likely itchy, contentment and much elevated feelings of well-being, while enjoying utter relaxation without any worries or anxiety. Opiates are like a magical warm blanket - just not everyone feels the magic the first time or first few times.

And, NEVER IV codeine. It is not just because of the IV'ing pill thing, but codeine can cause very serious, life-threatening effects when IV'd. NEVER.
 
Also, In my experience codeine is a tricky little bugger, it can seem very safe and harmless and does give a nice mild pleasant euphoric effect, but never forget it's an opium based drug and can grab a hold of you and have you addicted before you know it, trust me

I've just spent 4 years battling with it and I am having quite a hard time stopping, nowhere near as bad as heroin from what I'm told, (I've never tried H so I don't know but you only have to read a few H addicts stories in TDS to get the full picture).

I think I've pretty much gotten through it now but is has hooks and they can catch a hold of you, just remember to take care on that issue.
 
Thanks for all the replies! Good tips :)

After I posted this I did some research and realized the oral bioavailability of codeine is 90% anyway. And as well as IV being particularly dangerous, as Chazz said, it needs to pass through the liver, and metabolized into morphine, so there would be minimal rush.

The last two nights I've tried my luck with codeine.

The pills I'm taking are Nurofen +, which contain 200mg Ibuprofen, and 12.8mg Codeine Phosphate. The first night I took 8 pills at once (102mg codeine). At first I felt euphoric, and lost all anxieties. I was playing xbox, and felt very relaxed and content. In fact, I paused my game, and was content just sitting there, feeling good. Then I started to feel a little nauseous and tired about an hour later. Once this started, I went to bed with my laptop, watched half a movie and fell asleep.

Last night I had another go, originally taking 10 pills (128mg codeine) at about 7pm. Effects were very similar to the first night I tried it. I was again playing Xbox with my mate, just chatting and talking shit. At about 11pm I found some more pills, and I felt like the first lot was wearing off. I then took another 7 pills, bringing my total codeine dose to 218mg. Almost instantly it hit me again. It was very euphoric for a while, but then I started to feel dizzy, and lost focus on anything. I continued to muck around on my pc for another hour or so. Then I was feeling very nauseous, and my legs started to get very itchy and shake. So I decided to call it a night

This morning j woke up feeling a little flat, but not un-well. I went out for a little bit this afternoon, and when I got home at about 5pm, I started to get very hot, feel very sick, and ultimately forced my self to throw up, disgusting green bile. I barely ate at all yesterday before I took the codeine, and today I ate nothing but drank 2 cups of coffee. My question is, can codeine make you sick? Or is it more likely the ibuprofen, considering last night alone I consumes 3.4grams of that.

In future ill be sure to do a CWE before consumption, and I'll limit myself to 90mg. Thanks for the assistance :)

Jimmy
 
It's hard to know what 150mg will do to you or whether it would be safe. Everyone is different. It's always best to start low - you can always take more if you need to but you can't undo it if you take too much.
 
blinkybill said:
This morning j woke up feeling a little flat, but not un-well. I went out for a little bit this afternoon, and when I got home at about 5pm, I started to get very hot, feel very sick, and ultimately forced my self to throw up, disgusting green bile. I barely ate at all yesterday before I took the codeine, and today I ate nothing but drank 2 cups of coffee. My question is, can codeine make you sick? Or is it more likely the ibuprofen, considering last night alone I consumes 3.4grams of that.

In future ill be sure to do a CWE before consumption, and I'll limit myself to 90mg. Thanks for the assistance :)

Jimmy
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It can make you sick in the sense that prolonged use will cause withdrawals, but this was almost definitely the ibuprofen, and on top of being very unhealthy it will make you sick as you experienced. That is part of the reason I suggested not using shirts or jeans for a CWE - I often would get a bit sick when I did but never after I switched to filters and was too dim at the time to put two and two together at the time and realize that it was because it was not filtering well (I assumed it was dye or something getting mixed in).

I also wanna second what Webbykevin said - it feels very mild but it can definitely get a hook in you. I stopped using anything other than alcohol and cigarettes about 6 months ago, but I still am often tempted by codeine. The warmth is powerful psychologically, especially if you start to use it as a security blanket from something in your life like I did. Also it can be a real cockblock, but that's another story.
 
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^Actually codeine can make you nauseous as well. Nausea/vomiting is a well-known side effect. But it very easily could have been the ibuprofen also. I'm sure taking that much ibuprofen is not good for your stomach.
 
Well, as my usual shard dealer is struggling to find any, and I just got my new pipe! :( anyway, due to boredom I'm probably gonna do a CWE on the N+ and go for 7 pills worth of codeine (close to 90mg) and see how I feel after a few hours.

As for first-time dosages - it's never harmful to not do enough. You can always do more, but you can never do less.
 
Are symptoms of anxiety/jitters/uneasiness associated with too high of a dose? I've been trying codeine out recently (CWE, 8/500 para), with doses ranging from 150mg-230mg and haven't really enjoyed the experience. The only other "opiate" I have tried was kratom (which was regular use over 1-2 months), which also made me fairly tense and shakey.
 
justsomedude420 said:
Are symptoms of anxiety/jitters/uneasiness associated with too high of a dose? I've been trying codeine out recently (CWE, 8/500 para), with doses ranging from 150mg-230mg and haven't really enjoyed the experience. The only other "opiate" I have tried was kratom (which was regular use over 1-2 months), which also made me fairly tense and shakey.
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That generally means your dosage is too high. Try dropping it back to say, 80mg. See how you feel then. I mean, the worst that can happen is you wasted a few hours. And you can always take more as necessary.

I was also thinking, it would not be TOO unsafe to IV codeine if a proper CWE was performed. The effects would not be majorly enhanced, however it is a possibility. I was also curious, is it possible to obtain pure codeine powder from a CWE/Evaporation technique? I am prescribed codeine and I feel like it may take away the mundane nature of taking the drug. Let me know :D

Also, I am currently writing a quick 'n easy guide about opiates. Specifically how to convert codeine into morphine, and then heroin if desired. I'm sure there are many out there already, but I'm bored and thought I might share my knowledge :) Would it be worthwhile posting a thread?

Cheers,
Jimmy.
 
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