a few ketamine questions.

[growit&smokeit]

Ketamine on mda was confusing as fuck something profound happened but then I forgot what it was. Of all the drugs I have tried ketamine is the hardest drug to get to know. It is a complete shape shifter.

 

[Shambles]

As others have said, you're on a hiding to nothing trying to get a proper description of a k-hole. Closest I could do is - as others have said - that it's like a dream. Semi-lucid dream sometimes, other times fully lucid. It's all internal though. I suppose there sort of are visuals but not really. Perhaps I could try to briefly describe my first ketamine experience (which was very holey indeedy) a bit as an example...

First thing I noticed (about 10 minutes after a line around 75mg or so) was that it 'looked' (probably closer to an impression than actual visuals - bit like an especially vivid daydream maybe) like one of my walls had become a window onto Mario 64. It was really quite specific about that too. I called then Mrs Shambles in cos suspected she'd be liking this as much as I was starting to (cos ket just feels lovely anyway but got the impression this was gonna get interesting). She joined me with a similar amount and I had another wee top-up.

Next thing we were both sat on the sofa and it hit hard. I was leaning against my ladyfriend and suddenly fell right through her. I know this cos I apologised - 'Sorry, but I just fell right through you', 'That's okay - you were supposed to' (or words to that effect. I had the most extraordinarily vivid sensation of the two of us being a single entity - kinda like we were made of plasticine and got melted together actually. It was pleasant but almost disconcerting. Almost but not really cos it's really quite hard to be concerned about anything on ketamine.

For the rest of the night we were mostly horizontal (impossible to really move when actually k-holed) and experienced back-to-back shared... I'd say more like visions than hallucinations as it's so internal. I had a thing for going underwater but she found it a bit disturbing down there so she took me flying instead. This was all the most natural thing in the world. Only complaint I had was it's so brief (maybe 45 mins or so - an hour absolute tops) but I suspect too much longer and things could get a bit much or you'd never really come back properly. Even with the brevity a gramme lasted both of us around 12h of back-to-back holes - is bloody strong stuff with no tolerance (assuming it has actual ketamine in it as the main (ideally sole) ingredient).

Music is essentially irrelevant as you aren't aware of it (nor anything else that exists in this world) when fully holed. We happened to listen to the KLF all night which created a series of (at the time) rather hilarious connections to do with K-trains choo-chooing along and the like. I was only aware music was playing between lines though.

As far as combos go, stick to small bumps rather than full lines unless absolutely sure what you're doing cos the combined effects can stack exponentially - especially with psychedelics. Save the lines for the tail end of whatever else is involved. As others have said though, don't jump to combos until you get a feel for ket itself. It's such a unique drug that it really deserves to be treated with a bit of respect. It repays in droves - or can (and will) turn on you viciously if piss is taken.

Ive never had ket with acid, id imagine its lovely, with mdma its fantastic.. id also hazard a guess that a 'candyfip' (hate that term) is even better.

Not such a hazardous guess - most definitely works rather well with the MDMA/LSD combo

 

[ColtDan]

Beautifully written..

it's like a dream. Semi-lucid dream sometimes, other times fully lucid. It's all internal though.

Spot on

Very hard to explain... like most things.. Time slowing, everything slowing, music gaining depth, everything gaining depth, imagination and internal-ness becoming the forefront, if its enough the best thing i can describe it is as... an euphoric singularity. the whole thing is very euphoricy and cosy, blankety, if its decent ket.. or so it seems

 

[Shambles]

Considering adding a poll to see just how many of us do that 'dividing up the universe' thing. I know it's incredibly common cos have seen so many people doing it (can tell by the hand movements) and have had so many say it. It's one of the few consistent visions that - sooner or later - seems to apply to more or less everybody who takes ketamine. You had that one yet, Dan? As with all things ketty, kinda hard to describe specifically but anyone who's had it will know instantly what I mean by 'dividing up the universe' I suspect.

 

[ScotchMist]

Shambles words have sown the seed for me to get some Ket in pronto... has only been a month since I had some last but it feels like ages ago...

And it just so happens that I still haven't gotten around to dropping that acid ive being meaning to take for ages, I'll just get me some of those little ducth fellas and ill imagine no more.. just got to find me some time

 

[kingme]

How fast does tolerance develop? And how fast does it go away?

 

[HouseFever]

It builds up super fast, and for me never gone away, same with most people I know who love K. Does anyone hear the coggs spinning and an industrial noise of the workings of existence when K holing? Lile a you can hear reality, sounds like a factory, with hydraulics and pumps. Also helicopters and noises similar outside your window? I always hear helicopter lile noises, its always like there is chaos going on outside.

 

[Shambles]

During my heavy ketamine period one of my lil catchphrases was 'Helicopters at dawn!!! ' for precisely the reason you mention. Is a very distinctive thing and it doesn't often happen with 'street ket' over the last couple years. It's one of the fairly surefire ways I can tell whether there's the remotest chance of holing on whatever 'ketamine' I manage to lay hands on.

Totally agree on the tolerance thing too. I've not had ketamine itself in... I actually can't remember but many months. Have had a fair bit of MXE though which has a strong cross-tolerance and have noticed my tolerance has finally dropped a bit with that. My 'standard' doses of MXE now are approximately half (just a bit over) what they were at the height of my use. I did take a long break of several months to achieve that though. As mentioned, tolerance develops rapidly and diminishes agonisingly slowly. In an ideal world it's best left for occasional use. It's a very seductive substance and very easy to slip into daily and heavy use - that's not the way to go. Keep it moderate (in terms of frequency of use especially) and you'll be dandy. Start using properly regularly and don't expect to hole at all. It's 'a bit wonky' or KO - nothing in between no matter how hard you try to find the right dose.

 

[RLP]

My constant with ket is the feeling of being on levels of reality. A bit like the film Inception if you would. As the first little bit kicks in things get wobbly, a sort of drunk like state with the knowledge of a journey beginning. This then very quickly moves into extreme "drunkeness" before falling underneath myself. At this point I can still make out my surroundings but they're heavily distorted - things may be upside down and focus is almost impossible. Then you fall again and that's when things become ???.

Coming back round I rise through the levels. It doesn't necessarily follow that a fall follows a fall or a rise follows a rise, I can come back too for a bit and then drop back into the indescribable. The notions of levels though is the only clear consistent memory I have when on ket.

Ket demands respect. I also feel sicky after it for a good few hours I find.

 

[hexagram]

I'm really excited for the journey now. Drugs that take you to other worlds and give you unique experiences have always appealed to me more than stuff that just get's you high, I had been obsessed with LSD for years before trying it. And now I've done that enough times, it's going to be really interesting trying something that's just as alien and unique but in a totally different way.

btw at below k-hole doses will I have the urge to smoke? I get it like crazy on MD and a bit on LSD.

and I know that I've technically done ket before but it was in such a different way (orally, on top of a fuckton of booze) that I think the experiences will be vastly different.

 

[Shambles]

I'm quite partial to a cig (ideally menthol - goes well with that minty fresh ketamine taste) whilst waiting for a line to kick in. Once it's kicked in I'm less interested. It's nothing like booze, benzos, stims or opies in that way though - no obsessive smoking required nor even desired.

'Unique drug experience that takes you to other worlds' is about as good a description of ket as you'll get. It really bears no relation to any other drug (aside from other dissociatives anyway).

 

[RLP]

Surprised you even have the ability to consider smoking on ket. I can barely lift my head.

 

[Shambles]

As I said, a (menthol) cig whilst waiting for the line to kick in is dandy, past that point it's irrelevant along with everything else.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

The taste of ketamine in the back of the throat you get after an IV dose about 3 seconds before it hits you is amazing. Something about getting that taste and then just feeling it wash over you instantly....

 

[Shambles]

And lawdy do those helicopters come in quick too :D

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

I don't really get the wah-wah's much anymore, I get them a lot off other dissociative anaesthetics like nitrous though.

 

[Scampi]

Yeah I'd agree with Shambles that the best way to describe it is like being in a dream. Also get the helicopter/engine/machinery sounds as well, quite like hearing those noises as you know its about to kick in. I quite often get the feeling I'm travelling when on ket, sometimes floating on the edge of the world, or sometimes I'm just lying on my bed and I feel like I'm getting dragged somewhere, into the k hole I guess.

Would agree with just getting to know it on its own first, it is good with MDMA or 2CB though, never tried it with acid.

 

[Shambles]

One of only two proper 'ego death' experiences I've had was taking ketamine on top of acid. If you think trying to describe what ketamine is like just try describing what that 'ego death' stuff is like 8(

I actually recall it quite well but could in no way describe or explain it. It made me cry though apparently cos I was when I came back to myself. The good kinda crying naturally.

 

[hexagram]

The taste of ketamine in the back of the throat you get after an IV dose about 3 seconds before it hits you is amazing. Something about getting that taste and then just feeling it wash over you instantly....

IV'ing Ketamine? don't you only need like 3mgs for it to be a anesthetic?

 

[Shambles]

Nup. You need fuckloads more to reach anaesthetic levels than you do for recreational ones. Can't recall specifically but it's many, many times a recreational dose even with extreme tolerance. I know from experience how much you can fit into a 1ml syringe (actually memory fails a bit but in the 150-200mg range I think). I needed two back to back to get anything from it at the height of my use. I often used to do bogstandard moddy stuff and potter about at the same time. Tolerance is a bitch. Ket was fukkin dirt cheap at the time though so...

Should point out a 'standard' recreational IV ketamine dose is more like 20-30mg. Start very low if anybody is thinking of ever trying it. It's not to all tastes and is kinda risky cos is strong medicine without tolerance.