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A cheap RC for self-medicating social anxiety?

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ive been on various anti-depressants and social anxiety medication for a while now, and ive tried like 10 different prescribed drugs but nothing seems to work enough, even at high doses. the only stuff that actually makes a noticeable difference are RCs like 6-APB and AMT, and alcohol too

so i'm searching for a relatively cheap RC that will either lower my inhibitions, make me more talkative and basically remove some of the anxiety i feel when i have to deal with social situations

i used to use GBL for this purpose, until they banned it in the UK. 6-APB and AMT do work, but they are quite expensive here :/

im thinking phenezepam might be what im looking fo since its cheap and immensely powerful even at very low doses?

any ideas?
 
What sort of medication have you tried? Have you ever been prescribed benzos? Also, are you dealing with an everyday sort of problem, or more of a weekend thing?

Phenazepam is not a drug you should be using recreationally. I can tell you you have a very good chance of losing several days to this drug without noticing, particularly as it is most commonly supplied in powder form. It's also inferior in terms of effects to almost every other benzo.
 
Agreed. We're not here to give you recommendations on what drugs to take, but I can tell you this:

Daily usage of a research chemical/RC/designer drug is asking for problems....
 
id rather not get addicted, so no i dont plan to take it every day

its just occasionally i need a boost in confidence maybe once or twice ever couple of weeks, and that boost only needs to last for 20 hours max. phenazepam seemed like the ideal benzo since its cheap, easy to get and lasts a long time

and no, ive never been presribed benzos before. only ssri drugs
 
Depends on the company, and if you wanna be fukkt I suppose. Like for me, i'd probably use stims in most situations like this. If you wanna be more subtle, most benzos are good. You mentioned using 6-APB, so my advice to you is to find a more regular supplier of more traditional stimulants.
 
Phenazepam may seem ideal until you misjudge the dose by a little and skip a week.. you need to be prepared to use liquid dosing to be safe. As it is a benzo it carries a risk of tolerance, dependence and withdrawal as all others do, so be careful.. benzo WDs are not pleasant and can be dangerous. I appreciate you only want to use it sporadically, but bear in mind the risks :)

As others said we can't really tell you what to take - be careful with GBL as it also carries a risk of dependence like other GABAergic drugs (eventually leading to 24/7 dosing every few hours) and the withdrawals are extremely unpleasant.

RCs can be a minefield. The name is a misnomer - there is often little or no research into them. AMT is somewhat of an exception, having been prescribed low-dose for depression in the past - check out Psychedlic Drugs for more info.

Is it that you need something to control your anxiety or give you more confidence? Have you tried therapy, CBT for example?
 
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nAON said:
Depends on the company, and if you wanna be fukkt I suppose. Like for me, i'd probably use stims in most situations like this. If you wanna be more subtle, most benzos are good. You mentioned using 6-APB, so my advice to you is to find a more regular supplier of more traditional stimulants.
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i dont want to be "fucked upppppppppppp" just for fun, i just want a subtle increase in confidence so i can feel more comfortable in social occasions.

at the moment, the Rx im taking only 'take the edge' off social outings, they only take away my paranoid thoughts and makes it slightly easier to talk to people, but its just not effective enough anymore - im now having to supplement it with alcohol, which i hate doing because its ridiculously expensive for what i use it for

and yes i have tried therapy and all that stuff, but it didnt work. was just a whole bunch of money down the drain.

GBL was absolutely perfect for this, but they banned it in the UK :(
 
Phenazepam isn't appropriate for social anxiety anyway...

I would try regular old prescription benzos before jumping to phenazepam. Benzos aren't for everybody and, as others have mentioned, there are many risks that sometimes outweigh the benefits.
 
Skip RC's for subtle anxiety

If you only want a mild alternative for help with social anxiety skip the RC's, ask you doctor about gabapentin (Neurontin). Tell him you are having issues with social anxiety and that you have heard gabapentin can help. It's not a controlled substance (at least in the US) so he will be more likely to prescribe it than benzos.

I started taking it for pain at 300mg 3x a day and found it was much better for anxiety than for pain. I am now taking 800mg 4x daily.

If you don't feel like asking your doc, it's not hard to find in online pharmacies. It's a lot more expensive than phenazepam, but is also much subtler and pretty non-toxic, even if you take way too much of it. This is not true of phenazepam, which is also pretty non-toxic, but can be far from forgiving if you eyeball it incorrectly.

Cheers,
-SimStim
 
A better (well less likely to cause blackouts and black eyes) RC for anxiety than phenazepam might be phenibut. I have used both quite a bit and found phenazepam to have less side effects than high dose phenibut. I got migraines from high dose phenibut that included nausea and vomiting. Was fine with lower doses though.

Phenibut is superficially similar to gabapentin in structure(gabapentin is cyclohexyl GABA, phenibut is phenyl GABA), though I am sure they work pretty differently. According to wikipedia phenibut binds to GABA B receptors while gabapentin "is not believed to act on the same brain receptors." (Compared to GABA)

Cheers again,
SimStim
 
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caterva said:
To say the situation did not work out as planned doesn't even begin to describe the chaos that went down- there's a good six month blank spot in my memory, and I know I physically lost 3 of the grams. You ever seen the movie Memento? Aspects of existence started to resemble that a bit too much for comfort.
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OP, go to a doctor and get diazepam. 5-10mg taken once in the morning should work well for you, without Phenazepam blackouts.
 
What about Etizolam? 6-8hr half-life. A potent benzo yes, but you won't lose a week like on phenazepam.

Like everyone else has said though - I think you should consider other options before trying a benzo.

Have you tried (or considered trying) any of the following first:

Valerian
Kava
Phenibut
Baclofen
Gabapentin
Pregablin

I must stress the difficulty a long term benzo user may have if he/she decides it's time to stop taking the drug. I've been on Xanax for a little over 6 years now and have tried to quit at least 3 times. The furthest I was able to go without dosing was 3 weeks. I had hoped that by then, the withdrawal symptoms would have at the very least lessened in severity - but they didn't.

Anyways, good luck.
 
caterva said:
To say the situation did not work out as planned doesn't even begin to describe the chaos that went down- there's a good six month blank spot in my memory, and I know I physically lost 3 of the grams. You ever seen the movie Memento? Aspects of existence started to resemble that a bit too much for comfort.
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Good lord man... I can't imagine being that out of it. Even ~10mg clonazepam knock me on my arse for a while. Glad you're back to earth though!

OP: If you're using very high doses of Pharm benzos with no results, I think you're barking up the wrong medicinal tree in terms of treatment options.
 
If you're looking for an anxiolytic RC in particular I would go with etizolam. Phenazepam has far too many horror stories and it's of dangerous potency that's hard to scale.

The only OTC anxiolytic I'd recommend is a potent Kava root extract with high levels of kavalactones. Some find that sedating H1 antagonist antihistamines can have anxiolytic properties such as: Hydroxyzine (may require prescription depending on your location; most anxiolytic antihistamine I've taken), Promethazine (Runner up to Hydroxyzine), Diphenhydramine, Doxylamine Succinate ect.

As for less-addictive prescription drugs some have previously suggested, I'd suggest Pregablin (Lyrica) or Gabapentin (Neurontin)
 
Although you mentioned it in your original post, aMT is probably the best thing out there on the RC market now, I found 6-APB to be very similar but far less effective (200-250 mg of 6-APB comparable to maybe 30-40 mg of aMT). A stimulant like MPA "may" be effective also, but may potentially increase general anxiety levels at high doses.
 
Ive been on several benzos for social anxiety and truth be told - nothing works as well as kratom. i swear on my life that kratom can help you and your social anxiety.
 
Any drug is going to make things a lot worse...

Aside from the money you are going to spend, you are just flopping regular band-aids on huge gashes... It held it together for a minute, but the problem did not go away.

Pretty soon, those little band-aids start adding up. Soon enough you realize that you could have went to get stitches and staples. Yeah, therapy cost more in the short term, but your problem will heal itself over time with the right help.

Pills and powders give temporary well being, but therapy gives insight to problems you aren't seeing.
 
^ this. Check out the anxiety megathread in the TDS directory in my sig...

There have been plenty of suggestions for you to consider here but listen to Psychedelic Jay.. and I am not comfortable with us advising on how to self-medicate a medical/psychiatric condition, especially using RCs.. we don't do "what should I take" threads usually, this was a bit different but I think I am going to close it now. Babygurl, I'll start you a new thread about phenazepam.

Closed, pm me with any queries.
 
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