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A Bit of Human Nature


'I dont have anything against people who like flowers, or football, its just not for me because, well because i just cant make myself go all crazy because some overpaid human ran past a line.'

Like i said, i dont have anything against people liking flowers or sports, its just not for me.. im allowed to laugh at people who like such things just like they can laugh at me for liking certain things.. its nothing to do with not understanding.

I understand WHY people like flowers, because they smell and look nice, but for me, to be impressed or made happy by such things is just stupid.. i dont have to rationalize that, its just how i feel about it.. just like people dont have to rationalize liking flowers, its just how they feel about it.

I dont find anything 'distasteful' or 'look down on people' for liking sports or flowers, at the end of the day we all have our qwerks and turn on's/off's, i personally just am amused by looking at human nature and how crazy, stupid and inconsistent it is.. its nothing to do with hating people or not understanding. I know that i myself do irrational, what some might say stupid things, and when i look back on those things i laugh at that too.. like i said, i am amused by human nature(even my own), its pretty funny when you put yourself in the shoes of an unbiased, unemotional entity.
 
hmm... i'd say compost piles are on par with flowers... especially if its steaming from all the microbial activity... but if the flower is say ... a Passiflora flower... than it'd have to be one steaming compost pile to compete

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moonyham said:
I hate things i dont understand? If i dont understand something, i strive to be able too. I find it humorous because people get happy from looking at a piece of plant.. i mean wtf, you dont think thats wierd?.
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well if you wanna get all rational about it ... then it actually makes a LOT of sense that flowers bring joy to people~ not just there pure beauty and symmetrical nature ... but also plants are intrinsically linked to the evolution of human species... and flowers usually mean that a fruit is on its way... which we can eat.. and survive...

but I also think there is a deeper connection going on with flowers ~ but if you're not feeling it then there isn't much to be said that will explain why they effect people the way they do

"If one could see the beauty of a single flower.. your whole life would change"
-buddha
 
moonyham said:
i personally just am amused by looking at human nature and how crazy, stupid and inconsistent it is.
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Is anything consistent?

Or are Human and Flower more or less just strangers who happen to pass each other along the great Way one dark night, and both feel motivated to smile at each other before going their separate ways?

Just food for thought.
 
moonyham said:
I dont have anything against people who like flowers, or football, its just not for me because, well because i just cant make myself go all crazy because some overpaid human ran past a line.. sport in general i think is rather stupid to watch.. i mean yeah its fun to play i admit that but watch? I mean common what kind of shit is that, your WATCHING other people have fun and you get happy about that? Seems kind of.. primitive to me.. which is only reinforced by the fact the majority of sports fans are rather.. well, 'simple' haha.
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Yet it's part of human nature to like to watch sport; just look at how many people are enclined to do so. Of course, from a rational or emotion-less point of view, it doesn't make sense to get all warmed up over a ball, or a nicely made goal, or two men fighting their brains out. Yet it excites people so much, for some reason, including me.

I believe human nature doesn't make much sense most of the time (simply look at all the shit humanity as done), but if some of these "little stupid things" that are sports, or even art -- after all, some people would pay a fortune for a paint, which is nothing more than a drawing -- bring joy to this many persons, then there is no need to much more explanation on why they exist.

It will be very different from a person to another, but in all, we all like some of these things that would not make sense without emotion, and that look totally idiotic in the eyes of some other people.

Enchanted_Garden said:
I don't know why on Earth you picked such a screen name....or faceless avatar to represent yourself.
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I have yet to understand the name I chose. For the picture, it's a René Magritte's paint that I like very much. He's a belgian surrealist artist:click here
 
Moony said:
Oh and when did i say i hate anything?
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Here:

LOL i hate kissing and flowers do nothing for me
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There.

I too find nothing interesting about sport, but flowers, animals, rocks, ie. life: I love because every single thing has been constantly changing into something else for millions of years and we have but a moment to see it in its one present form....even compost :) To see a beautiful morning glory flower lifts my spirits because there is no reason for its beauty- and yet, there it is.

I apreciate death as much as I apreciate life, seeing as the two cannot be seperate.
 
I think that an explanation of beauty always comes *after* the fact. It's rationalizing, not rational. A beautiful thing is beautiful, and who's to say why?
 
If anything i'd say the opposite we are very materialistic and distanced from society in todays modern world. If only more people could simply sit and be, enjoy the beauty that just is. Our problem is we have let the base urges of greed and survival take over everything even bringing down our emotions to nothing more than a buck.

Making the human race into robots would be taking the path of being an animal to the extreme. We would cease to be human.
 
I've learned to say nothing about what human nature is or is supposed to be. To say anything definitive about it is to make a gross oversimplification or complication.

It is what it is. You can either be okay with it or not, or both as needed.
 
Rene Magritte's mother committed suicide when he was a child. He found her body in a river, her face covered in a cloth. The image scarred him for life, and he often painted faces obscured for this reason.

For some reason, Magritte's paintings seem to be a perennial favorite among the publishers of psychology books -- both texts and popular publishings.
 
^ No problem. My art teacher in high school taught me this.

Mister Superzombie's avatar was the cover image to 'Dreaming as Delirium' by John Hobson MD (an interesting theory but a mediocre read, IMHO).

While we're at it, I think I'm going to scream if I see Edvard Munch's 'The Scream' used as the cover image on any more abnormal psychology books, too.
 
I think one of the most confounding ways that humans perceive beauty is via music. Tones of varying frequency, arranged throughout time in a rather mathematical fashion (rhythm) - this is music. Does absolutely nothing to aid our survival... why do we enjoy it?

Saying that we 'enjoy' it is probably an understatement. For one, music is probably the most important thing in my life. I find it intensely beautiful, and take the time to appreciate this beauty almost every day, despite my inability to understand it.
 
^ Dude, you took the thought right out of my mind! I've actually been thinking about this exact topic a lot recently.

It's amazing how the music you put on can alter your mood perceptibly, isn't it? I think it's a lot like flavors -- differences in two genres of music that are closely related are kinds of like differences between two dishes that are similar but for a couple of ingredients. The tastes are close, but distinct, and you might prefer one over the other for reasons you can't quite describe.

Some anthropologists think appreciating the changing tones of a melody is basically just an extension of appreciating the changing tones in human speech. Probably not this simple, though, because there are many people who can appreciate one of these, but not the other.

I love the emotional tags that allmusic.com attaches to artists and subgenres. I also find I can correlate the feeling a certain music gives me with situation in life that might give me the same feeling. But is this just because of surface associations I've made between that music and other sensory stimuli, or is it due to something deeper and more primitive?

I find I really like anything with blues notes, minor keys, and African-derived melodies.
 
MyDoorsAreOpen said:
Some anthropologists think appreciating the changing tones of a melody is basically just an extension of appreciating the changing tones in human speech. Probably not this simple, though, because there are many people who can appreciate one of these, but not the other
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And music is more than tones - the rhythm is easily just as important. I've always thought of music starting off as just rhythm, just drumming, and the tones coming afterward as people started singing to it.

The rhythmic part of music, both making it and appreciating it (e.g. dancing), could be a sexual display thing, since grasping rhythm and timing are important to a lot of things we do (sex only being one). So the guy dancing around the fire is showing not only that he has energy to spare but that he'd likely make a good mate. Maybe?
 
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