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foreverplur

foreverplur

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First Roll Too High of A Dose

Hi everyone! On Sunday night I took about .8 of MDMA (Not pure at all, cut to hell). I didn't do a lot of research ahead of time and this being my first time rolling I assumed .8 was a lower dose, boy was I wrong. I had heavy effects up until Monday morning but continued to feel some effects into Tuesday. Did I already mess up MDMA for the rest of my experiences with the drug? Has it lost its magic? Will I ever feel the same way on MDMA that I felt that night? Obviously I took too much, when can I roll again and what dose?

Edit: I have the opportunity to roll again in a week. Can I still do this but on a much lower dosage such as .1 or .2? I have also been using 5-HTP as I got sketched out doing .8.

 
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Considering you just took 6-8 MDMA doses in a night, I'd have to seriously advise you do not take it again in a week. Considering the recommended waiting time is 1-3 months from a normal dose, I'd think you wanna give yourself at least 3 months maybe even 6. Did you test your MDMA, as .8 in a night woild probably be enough to send you to hospital if it was pure, especially if it was dosed all in a period of ~4 hours or similar.

Now have you lost the magic already? No way to know yet but its possible considering people have lost it after their first time on a normal dose... And will you lose it if you do it again in a week? Again quite possible but who knows, it's certainly not advisable and not healthy for your brain especially after a ridiculous dose like 0.8g. Tbh though I think you really should get a test kit as I think you would not be so calm or considering taking it again if you had taken .8 of real MDMA, sounds more like an RC cathinone

As for a dose for next time, with real MDMA you want 1.5-2 mg/kg, I'd push that up to 2.5 mg/kg MAX once you have experience or tolerance, redosing isn't advised (you should just take more to start), but if you must take one then a redose should be done once, at 0.5-1 mg/kg, no more than 1.5 hrs from the first dose. For example I weigh 63kg and happen to quite like 1.8 mg/kg doses, so 1.8*63 = 113.4 mg, I also am lucky enough to have a batch of known purity, 94% roughly, so I multiply 113.4*1.06 to compensate for the 6% impurity and giving a dose of roughly 120mg. You don't really have to be that exact though
 
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terarc said:
Considering you just took 6-8 MDMA doses in a night, I'd have to seriously advise you do not take it again in a week. Considering the recommended waiting time is 1-3 months from a normal dose, I'd think you wanna give yourself at least 3 months maybe even 6. Did you test your MDMA, as .8 in a night woild probably be enough to send you to hospital if it was pure, especially if it was dosed all in a period of ~4 hours or similar.

Now have you lost the magic already? No way to know yet but its possible considering people have lost it after their first time on a normal dose... And will you lose it if you do it again in a week? Again quite possible but who knows, it's certainly not advisable and not healthy for your brain especially after a ridiculous dose like 0.8g. Tbh though I think you really should get a test kit as I think you would not be so calm or considering taking it again if you had taken .8 of real MDMA, sounds more like an RC cathinone

As for a dose for next time, with real MDMA you want 1.5-2 mg/kg, I'd push that up to 2.5 mg/kg MAX once you have experience or tolerance, redosing isn't advised (you should just take more to start), but a redose should be done once, at 0.5-1 mg/kg, no more than 1.5 hrs from the first dose.
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It was tested and apparently it was MDMA. People at the show said that it might have been methadone, forgive my spelling i'm not too sure how to spell it, for the same reason that you said. I started at around 8:00 with .2 and re dosed sporadically throughout the night with my last .2 cap being taken at 12:45. The show ended at 2:00. The peak and high felt as if I was entranced in the music and starting conversations with everyone. The comedown was abnormal also as I did not feel any depression or anything. Can I send you a picture through a private message and you can take a look at it?

Also I realize that what I did was stupid and from now on smart drug use is the only drug use.
 
DO NOT ROLL AGAIN FOR AT LEAST 2-3 MONTHS.

I can't believe you seriously just asked if you already screwed yourself up for future, then went on to say you intend on using again in under 2 weeks since your first roll.

DO NOT DO IT.
 
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It was tested and apparently it was MDMA. People at the show said that it might have been methadone, forgive my spelling i'm not too sure how to spell it, for the same reason that you said. I started at around 8:00 with .2 and re dosed sporadically throughout the night with my last .2 cap being taken at 12:45. The show ended at 2:00. The peak and high felt as if I was entranced in the music and starting conversations with everyone. The comedown was abnormal also as I did not feel any depression or anything. Can I send you a picture through a private message and you can take a look at it?

Also I realize that what I did was stupid and from now on smart drug use is the only drug use.
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Are you thinking of mephedrone (4-mmc, MCAT, meow meow)? Or methylone (bk-MDMA)? That does seem likely as usually people can handle high doses of cathinones much easier, MDMA would have had you tripping balls/needing hospitalisation/puking your guts at that dose. there's no way to tell what it is from a picture though you'll just have to buy a test kit and test it again yourself. I'd just give it a break for at least 3 months and try again at a sensible dose, with stuff you've tested yourself and are sure is real MDMA. Tbh you are probably lucky that you got a cathinone instead this time
 
This is a side topic, but seriously I have always ALWAYS seen droppers/ravers/pill poppers take mdma much more often than once a month. Of course, it's inadvisable and kind of foolish, but this is probably the norm. Especially in the rave scene, where ravers "need to practice" their lightshows with various toys and you can't really do that just dropping once a month. Doing it sober isn't close the same either.

But yeah, definitely do not take it for more than a month or so OP. You took way too much, and your tolerance is probably going to be too high even after a week because of that kind of dose.
 
trozzle said:
DO NOT ROLL AGAIN FOR AT LEAST 2-3 MONTHS.

I can't believe you seriously just asked if you already screwed yourself up for future, then went on to say you intend on using again in under 2 weeks since your first roll.

DO NOT DO IT.
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This. Seriously kid, wtf?

Wait 2-3 months unless you're trying to end up with permanent damage. You likely didn't do any this time (but with that dose, you're lucky), but every future time, especially so close, is just increasing the likelihood.
 
I'm a pretty experienced user and I had 700-800mg's once made me have a seizure I think then for about 5 hrs I was tripping really bad lol I thought I was going to die. The fun feeling left me and a sense that everything wasn't quite right was there. I looked like some monstrous bug eyed version of a human with a broken jaw. Took me ages to feel normal, may have even forgotten what normal was until months later. I'd basically double dropped thinking I was redosing.
 
I've irresponsibly redosed twice (200mg + 100mg + 100mg), totalling half of what OP took (difference is I know what I took was 'pure' MDMA), and even though it was spread out enough, I felt horrid by the time I got home. Very nauseous, though I do believe I also consumed a little bit much water throughout the night coz I ended up spewing a heap of fluids up when I got home.

Be thankful it's pretty much guaranteed you didn't have MDMA, or it was very very cut.
 
terarc said:
Are you thinking of mephedrone (4-mmc, MCAT, meow meow)? Or methylone (bk-MDMA)? That does seem likely as usually people can handle high doses of cathinones much easier, MDMA would have had you tripping balls/needing hospitalisation/puking your guts at that dose. there's no way to tell what it is from a picture though you'll just have to buy a test kit and test it again yourself. I'd just give it a break for at least 3 months and try again at a sensible dose, with stuff you've tested yourself and are sure is real MDMA. Tbh you are probably lucky that you got a cathinone instead this time
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Yes! Methylone is what I was told that it was. I felt fine the entire night and the comedown was a piece of cake so I assume your right that it must have been really really cut with something or it was just methylone. I've actually spoken to another supplier and he said that if I wanted to roll next week then he can get me pure MDMA which I assume is still a bad idea after what everyone has posted. I can still go in and do my thing sober its just the experience of MDMA when you are at a rave is not the same as if you were sober. There's no way I can even just take a .1 or .2 and be fine this time it being confirmed pure? This would be my last roll until August.
 
trozzle said:
I've irresponsibly redosed twice (200mg + 100mg + 100mg), totalling half of what OP took (difference is I know what I took was 'pure' MDMA), and even though it was spread out enough, I felt horrid by the time I got home. Very nauseous, though I do believe I also consumed a little bit much water throughout the night coz I ended up spewing a heap of fluids up when I got home.

Be thankful it's pretty much guaranteed you didn't have MDMA, or it was very very cut.
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It must have been very cut because I felt great afterwards and even the comedown was awesome. (No depression, no fatigue, no sleeping problems, no throwing up, etc.) It looked like straight rock in the cap so I knew something might have been up. If I would have known the laws of MDMA beforehand I would not have even tried taking that much.
 
Kl519 said:
This is a side topic, but seriously I have always ALWAYS seen droppers/ravers/pill poppers take mdma much more often than once a month. Of course, it's inadvisable and kind of foolish, but this is probably the norm. Especially in the rave scene, where ravers "need to practice" their lightshows with various toys and you can't really do that just dropping once a month. Doing it sober isn't close the same either.

But yeah, definitely do not take it for more than a month or so OP. You took way too much, and your tolerance is probably going to be too high even after a week because of that kind of dose.
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Would my tolerance be too high even though it was still cut to hell? Cause i'm positive now that what I had was not even close to pure MDMA. Does that mean my .8 was cut in half or even further?
 
Yeah just wait 2-3 months. It's worth it. I keep ending up dosing every month for a few months and by the last month I'm losing the magic, and it takes me 6 months to get it back again :/ if I'd just have the patience to always wait 3 I'd probably never have to do the 6 month breaks. Sucks that I must be very sensitive to MDMA, began losing the magic on my 4th time (once a month for 4 months). Seriously just respect the drug cause it fucking sucks when it stops respecting you, it's pretty obvious to me simply from the feel of the drug that it takes at least a couple of months to recover properly
 
terarc said:
Yeah just wait 2-3 months. It's worth it. I keep ending up dosing every month for a few months and by the last month I'm losing the magic, and it takes me 6 months to get it back again :/ if I'd just have the patience to always wait 3 I'd probably never have to do the 6 month breaks. Sucks that I must be very sensitive to MDMA, began losing the magic on my 4th tome
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Does this 'loss of magic' always happen to everyone? I know girls who I go to shows with that roll every other weekend or so and of course its in moderation but I feel like sooner or later they wont feel it. Can you always get the magic back again or once its gone is it gone forever/years? (In your case months.) Also, if I do end up doing (Which at this point it looks like i'm not going to due to the posts above.) .15-.2 at this next show of pure is it really going to make me lose the magic?
 
Just wait an absolute minimum of 1 full month if you insist on rolling again ASAP :) definitely don't roll again within a fortnight though, I've also made that mistake (well, rolled every 2 weeks for a total of 3, and felt shite after the 3rd). Chalk this one down as a lesson, and be sure to do plenty more browsing of forums etc in the meantime to get a better understanding of why we advise what we do :)

Oh also, welcome to Bluelight :) sorry if I (or anyone else) came across a little harsh at first. I'd rather someone think I'm a prick as long as my message was received loud and clear ;)
 
trozzle said:
Just wait an absolute minimum of 1 full month if you insist on rolling again ASAP :) definitely don't roll again within a fortnight though, I've also made that mistake (well, rolled every 2 weeks for a total of 3, and felt shite after the 3rd). Chalk this one down as a lesson, and be sure to do plenty more browsing of forums etc in the meantime to get a better understanding of why we advise what we do :)

Oh also, welcome to Bluelight :) sorry if I (or anyone else) came across a little harsh at first. I'd rather someone think I'm a prick as long as my message was received loud and clear ;)
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Nobody comes off as a prick to me haha I'm always in a good mood anyways so if your harsh it's just like your trying to be stern with me and steer me in the right direction. Iv'e been browsing the forums all day today and i have just been wishing i came across Bluelight before my first roll. Anyways, thanks for the welcome and advise (which I am taking) i'm sure ill see you around. The next time I roll it will be at EDC in May so seeing that its a festival makes it so much more worth it.
 
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