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7-OH was the worst experience of my life. Thought I was gonna die

Oh - Cases where the isomerism of a drug alters it's legal control is extremely niche. The only case I know of was a smart defence lawyer being able to demonstrate that trans-4-methylaminorex and cis-4-methylaminorex were sufficiently different to have a jury return a not guilty verdict. The law was quickly altered to remove that loophole.

But as things more than one group researched the isomers of buprioion and even applied for patents to protect their discoveries.

WO1999038502A1 - Pharmaceutical uses of optically pure (+)-bupropion

One never knows why a chiral derivative of a raecemic medicine does or does not become a new medicine. It may be as dull as the enantiopure compound being too costly (certainly cost would be far higher) and/or if their isn't much CLINICAL advantage and/or the dangers of using a cathinone meant researchers weren't confident that a new product would ever obtain a GSL.

I highlighted the term clinial because what most of us might see as positives (faster onset, shorter duration of action and at non-clinical doses fewer side-effects) wouldn't be 'clinical' advantages.

But if nothing else, from a legal perspective if would at a stroke halve the amount an importer was holding and while medically chiral legally means ≥ 98% ee (>99% of the stated isomer), if a cheaper resolution only achieved around 90% ee (circa 95% of the stated isomer), that wouldn't matter so that the costly chiral synthesis would not be required.

Right now the more I look at bupropion the more I wonder if it may already be mixed in with other cathinones on the basis that it's a very cheap active cut and from my experience the best you can expect from a dealer is total disinterest in the end user. To them it's simply a comodity they can sell for a large profit. But you would be AMAZED at how many would try out the stuff on customers - it's it's accepted AND more profitable, obviously they would run with it.
 
100% how I feel about DXM.
I fuckin' love DXM! Shit has some weird paranormal-magickal properties, I swear.

I can't use it no more though, cause it causes some kind of weird costochondritis-like chest pain several days after. Can't figure out how or why though. But I know it's the DXM because it was happening every other month for the past 5 years. And I experimented and quit DXM this year & back in 2024. And both years so far, I haven't had one of these weird chest-pain attacks. Used it in 2025 & these chest pain episodes came back every time.

Never use to happen to me, so I dunno why it's happening now. Maybe my body just doesn't like DXM anymore. Took me awhile to make the connection because it always happened days & days later after a DXM trip.
 
I fuckin' love DXM! Shit has some weird paranormal-magickal properties, I swear.

I can't use it no more though, cause it causes some kind of weird costochondritis-like chest pain several days after. Can't figure out how or why though. But I know it's the DXM because it was happening every other month for the past 5 years. And I experimented and quit DXM this year & back in 2024. And both years so far, I haven't had one of these weird chest-pain attacks. Used it in 2025 & these chest pain episodes came back every time.

Never use to happen to me, so I dunno why it's happening now. Maybe my body just doesn't like DXM anymore. Took me awhile to make the connection because it always happened days & days later after a DXM trip.
I should have said DXO

The primary enzyme responsible for converting dextromethorphan (DXM) is CYP2D6 (cytochrome P450 2D6).
In the liver, CYP2D6 converts DXM into its primary active metabolite, dextrorphan (DXO), through a process called O-demethylation.
 
I should have said DXO

The primary enzyme responsible for converting dextromethorphan (DXM) is CYP2D6 (cytochrome P450 2D6).
In the liver, CYP2D6 converts DXM into its primary active metabolite, dextrorphan (DXO), through a process called O-demethylation.
I dig em both. lol

Although with DXM, you never really know how much DXM/DXO ratio you might get, so the trip was always different.
Some times I'd take the long acting Delsyum cause the extended release version is suppose to metabolize into more DXO. The trips always seemed a lot more mild with the extended release versions (Unless I took an insane amount), but had a nice, "familiar", comfy feel about em.

I would mix Delsyum into a bag of water. And all the DXM-polisterex would fall to the bottom, then drain the water out of the top of the bag, dry out the brown stuff at the bottom of the bag, which was now a much purer form, so you don't have to drink all the syrup gunk. Once the brown stuff was dry, I'd put it in clear capsules & take it.

But back in 2015-2021, I would always try & get the red gel tabs or syrups if they were out. Until I had a bad reaction & puked them all up once. Pretty sure they were nasty dollar tree gel tabs. I could never stand swallowing another DXM gel tab again. My body literally gags. Same with any DXM product at this point. My throat will close like it doesn't wanna me to swallow that shit because it all tastes so nasty & is so harsh on the stomach.
 
I see this ALL the time. In the 90s we saw how crack was viewed by some as being perfectly fine while only 'dirty junkies' used H. Well guess what?! All of those crack users messed up their minds so much, they all ended up smoking brown to cope. Meanwhile heroin users who no longer got a kick from their gear were salting crack and injecting the mixture!
Sadly true.
 
7OH have potentially ended your life with it
if this be true that is good news to me.
the synthetic formula hopefully would make you get terrible headaches and vomiting (among a couple other adverse effects) if one were to od on "kratom".
hope ya doin okay as well as the rest of us.
one love
 
Anyone ever taken topomax before?

I have an extremely old bottle of it that I got for headaches like 10 years ago. I never took it because I read that it could make you go blind. So I decided not to risk it. I believe it's a type of anticonvulsant? Are there any other drugs out there that work in a similar manner that it could be compared to?

Out of curiosity though, I read all the Erowid reports. And people there compare to everything from tramadol to acid. lol Some people say it was euphoric, others say it made them have extreme hallucinations & feel dumb. So I have no idea wtf to think. Sounds like it can be long acting too, so I don't wanna get stuck feeling sick or weird for 3 days. And whether it would be worth trying to take for fibromyalgia pain. I actually enjoy tramadol for pain relief & depression relief, but I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt topomax has anything on trams. lol
 
Topiramate (Topamax™) is such a bizarre medication. It's derived from a form of fructose (a sulfamate ester of fructopyranose in fact.

I think my very first thought was 'why on earth would someone research this class?'. As far as I can make out researchers were in fact researching a diabetic medication but MES testing was required and so it was pure serendipity.

I always think you can tell a real medicinal chemist because each one can point to something they developed and explain that it was discovered by accident when seeking a totally different class of medication - it's far more common than people thing and in fact should be a concern as one wonders if we catch all, most, many, some, a few or just a tiny proportion.
 
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