Kratom 7-oh Extract okay for opiate withdrawals?

[Tetrapharmakos]

Need to quit this Dilaudid habit of 40-60 mg per day. Last time I tried a Kratom and mitragynine extract but by day 2 I was going from a hot shower to shaking swearing in front of a heater and losing my mind.

I'm wondering if a 7-oh Extract might help better for the first couple days, then maybe transition to mitragynine afterwords, then regular ground Kratom and taper to zero after a week or two.

Any thoughts?

 

[daturetard]

Kratom will never be strong enough to STOP withdrawal from anything stronger than codeine but it can be very helpful. Expect intense withdrawal still.

 

[Keif' Richards]

I know this isn'ta helpful comment right now, but your withdrawal would probably be a lot worse without the Kratom in your system. It's possible that 7-OH might work. However, I feel it's better to go the more obvious route and use something like Methadone. You can taper down from the Methadone slowly over the course of a month or two. It's more reliable then this 7-OH stuff which is totally unregulated. You'll know what you think you're taking is what you're taking.

 

[SuperPsych]

Will it help opioid withdrawals? Yes, but I don't think it's the best course of action if you're trying to quit. It's replacing one with another. You'll still have to experience the withdrawal eventually. I personally think a better choice would be using Kratom powder. I know you said that you're still uncomfortable on it and it doesn't help completely but that's sort of the point. It'll probably be uncomfortable for the first couple of days but much better than a cold turkey. After a couple of days your body will have made the adjustment to the kratom and it should be sufficient to cover up most of the withdrawal. I'd then try to taper from there. Kratom is still difficult to taper though as there is discomfort. Doesn't matter what method you take, there is always discomfort with trying to quit opioids but it does always get better if you can stick to it and push through.

I know this isn'ta helpful comment right now, but your withdrawal would probably be a lot worse without the Kratom in your system. It's possible that 7-OH might work. However, I feel it's better to go the more obvious route and use something like Methadone. You can taper down from the Methadone slowly over the course of a month or two. It's more reliable then this 7-OH stuff which is totally unregulated. You'll know what you think you're taking is what you're taking.

I think this is another good option. Methadone or Suboxone will help the WD more than Kratom and is easier for a lot of people to taper than Kratom is. Whichever route you take I wish you the best of luck

 

[Keif' Richards]

Thanks for that @SuperPsych

People can spend decades on drugs, but when they quit, it needs to be done in a couple of weeks or there is no point. I'm not patronizing you. This is pretty much how we all have felt. We get frustrated, decide a change has to be made, jump into something with great intentions that we have no chance at completing successfully. The good intentions lead you back to the cycle.

I'm a major proponent of slow tapers regardless of your issue. Tailor the dose appropriately, but do the process slowly. There's no reason why a person can't make their taper last three months. Minimal discomfort and your free after 3 months.

These small drops can be accomplished with any drug through volumetric dosing, that is, mixing the drug with a quantity of water that allows you to easily decimalize your stash. You then can use an oral syringe to draw out whatever you need. Squirt it in your mouth and you're done.

For reference, if I had a 5mg Oxycodone pill, for easy math, I could mix this with 10ml of water, solute, then you have 0.5mg Oxycodone for every milliliter. It's easy.

 

[SuperPsych]

Thanks for that @SuperPsych

People can spend decades on drugs, but when they quit, it needs to be done in a couple of weeks or there is no point. I'm not patronizing you. This is pretty much how we all have felt. We get frustrated, decide a change has to be made, jump into something with great intentions that we have no chance at completing successfully. The good intentions lead you back to the cycle.

I'm a major proponent of slow tapers regardless of your issue. Tailor the dose appropriately, but do the process slowly. There's no reason why a person can't make their taper last three months. Minimal discomfort and your free after 3 months.

These small drops can be accomplished with any drug through volumetric dosing, that is, mixing the drug with a quantity of water that allows you to easily decimalize your stash. You then can use an oral syringe to draw out whatever you need. Squirt it in your mouth and you're done.

For reference, if I had a 5mg Oxycodone pill, for easy math, I could mix this with 10ml of water, solute, then you have 0.5mg Oxycodone for every milliliter. It's easy.

That's a good point of view. I'm going to try to keep that in mind. I'm currently struggling to keep on track with my Kratom taper myself so I feel bad or hypocritical offering advice to people. One of those "do as I say, not what I do" situations. I know that it needs to be done considering Kratom isn't giving me any benefit besides just taking away the withdrawal. It's just so easy to make excuses for an extra gram here and there. I think I'll start up a journal tracking my doses. It's easy to take an extra gram or two and forget about it, and those extra doses add up. I think when I have to write my own mess up down on paper and feel that little bit of disappointment and shame in myself, it'll help drive me. Hopefully the little dopamine hit of writing down in my journal that I took the proper dose at the proper time will outweigh what ever I get from taking a little extra. Which at this point is basically nothing, but addict is what addict does

 

[Keif' Richards]

Dont worry @SuperPsych I was doing the "do as I say, not as I do" for years. Using doesn't mean you don't have valuable knowledge in you. As addicts, we experience the highest highs and the lowest lows. We learn. I believe you will get there too. You're trying and asking for help; asking questions. I think a journal is a great idea.

You don't have to commit to everything all at once buddy. Progress is progress even if it's going at a snail's pace. Commit to something. Today it could be you're going to commit to getting a notebook, a pen and starting your journal. Just do that one small thing and don't worry about anything else for today. You can build on that with other small things, one at a time until you're in control.

Making these small commitments helps you take back control of your mind. Do something other than the one-track mind of an Opioid addict, either using or daydreaming about Opiates. These things will teach you how to take your mind back.

 

[SuperPsych]

Dont worry @SuperPsych I was doing the "do as I say, not as I do" for years. Using doesn't mean you don't have valuable knowledge in you. As addicts, we experience the highest highs and the lowest lows. We learn. I believe you will get there too. You're trying and asking for help; asking questions. I think a journal is a great idea.

You don't have to commit to everything all at once buddy. Progress is progress even if it's going at a snail's pace. Commit to something. Today it could be you're going to commit to getting a notebook, a pen and starting your journal. Just do that one small thing and don't worry about anything else for today. You can build on that with other small things, one at a time until you're in control.

Making these small commitments helps you take back control of your mind. Do something other than the one-track mind of an Opioid addict, either using or daydreaming about Opiates. These things will teach you how to take your mind back.

I greatly appreciate the words of encouragement. It means a lot. I actually dug up a notebook and pen last night to have it out and ready for when I woke up today. It actually did help and it was the first day in a while that I didn't "cheat" with my dosage. If I can keep it up for a week then I'll try a small dose decrease.

That's a good point about making small commitments and seeing them through as a way to gain some control and train the mind. As a life long addict that is something I still struggle with. I've made leaps and bounds since my really heavy using days. Slow and steady

 

[Keif' Richards]

It was the same for me @SuperPsych it didn't happen all at once. I rely heavily on 12-step meetings personally. I try not to foist this onto anyone else. I do believe in the program though. I mostly believe in the value of being honest and sharing your feelings on a daily basis. My commitment was that I would just go to one meeting every day, regardless of how I felt or what I did, I would go to that one meeting. It eventually led to success. Keep making that small progress and you'll get there man.

Even if it takes you until you're an old man, as long as you keep inching forward and don't fall back, the people that matter to you will notice. None of us ever attains perfection, so I'm just like you. I'm making progress and you're making progress. We both can be proud of ourselves for that.

@szabolcs freeman hey buddy. Yes, I have used Ketamine before maybe half a dozen times. I'm by no means an expert. It really wasn't my thing.

 

[SuperPsych]

It was the same for me @SuperPsych it didn't happen all at once. I rely heavily on 12-step meetings personally. I try not to foist this onto anyone else. I do believe in the program though. I mostly believe in the value of being honest and sharing your feelings on a daily basis. My commitment was that I would just go to one meeting every day, regardless of how I felt or what I did, I would go to that one meeting. It eventually led to success. Keep making that small progress and you'll get there man.

I have nothing against the 12 steps. I've been to treatment a couple of times and the one I went to was heavy on the 12 steps. The longest period of continuous sobriety I've had since 14 years old was 1 and a half years and that was only because I was going to meetings every day. I wouldn't have been able to manage it without the meetings. The value of being honest with myself and others is one of the most beneficial things that I learned in treatment. When I'm honest to others and the lies don't build up and I can see through my own bullshit, there's so much less weight on my shoulders. One of my main qualms with it is the complete sobriety thing. I plan on using psychedelics until I die, I plan on using MDMA once every few years until I can't anymore, and I struggle to see myself never using dissociatives again (though tbh my disso use borders on problematic. I don't mess up my life with them but when I have them I do them a lot). The whole honesty thing means being honest with regards to all of that. When I was going to meetings I opened up about having used mushrooms to help pull myself out of a suicidal depression (and it worked) and they seemed disappointed in me for it. I'm sure I'll head back to the rooms one day. I've been debating it for months now.

Even if it takes you until you're an old man, as long as you keep inching forward and don't fall back, the people that matter to you will notice. None of us ever attains perfection, so I'm just like you. I'm making progress and you're making progress. We both can be proud of ourselves for that.

That's the goal. As long as I never end up where I was in my darkest days then I say I'm doing alright. Life is a constant work in progress. Each relapse I have is shorter, I get tired of using a lot quicker and I recognize that a life of using everyday isn't conducive to a happy life. At least not for me. So I'm learning at least.