Kratom 7-hydroxymitragynine taper, need advice.

[RxVeritas]

I've been taking 300-400mg of 7-hydroxymitragynine daily for the past couple of months. It's too high of a dose, its way too expensive, and I plan on tapering down to somewhere closer to 20-50mg daily.


In order to aid in this process, I've acquired twenty five 200mg lyrica. I also have most of a months worth (90) of 300mg gabapentin which I am prescribed, but lately haven't been taking more than one of a day. I think I have very little physical dependence on the gabapentin, if any.


I am also prescribed clonazepam and have about fifty 2mg pills, but realistically probably need to set aside 30 of them for work days (3 nights a week), meaning I could be liberal with fifteen or twenty of them. My tolerance is fairly high, and depending on the day I will take anywhere from 2mg - 8mg, but on an average day I probably take 3mg - 4mg and have for a few years.


I have taken lyrica before and get pleasant effects at around 375mg - 425mg on which i can still function and appear normal, and a definite high around 600mg - 675mg that I would not be able to go to work on.


I also use disposable THC vapes pretty heavily, but also have cheap and easy access to them.

So, what do think the least painful way to taper down from 300mg to 50mg would be over one or two weeks?

I am currently on 400mg lyrica 150mg 7-hydroxymitragynine and my normal 3mg of klonopin and about to go to work. I redose halfway through work, but will take no more than 150mg, hopefully less depending on how I feel. I do have significant shoulder pain from a 3 year old surgery, which is how I got here.

In your opinion, is cutting down by 30mg per day realistic given the excess of medications that I have on hand? I know everybody is different, but i would especially appreciate the advice of anybody who has attempted to taper 7-hydroxymitragynine down significantly, or quit.


I appreciate your taking the time to read this, and I thank you in advance for anything that you have to say to me.

 

[helpingout]

I quit taking seven. Tapering down can be helpful but 7 kick is brutal. You’re going to need to take time off when you jump.

But it seems like you have a decent med cabinet.

I think you need to use those meds for when you actually jump and you should taper on just the 7.

It’ll give you an idea of what it’s going to be like. 7 has a unique ability to just drive you against your own will to dose. So I think it will be helpful for you to taper on your own without medication assistance.

When you’re ready to jump there’s a whole host of vitamins and minerals that will help but what you have is great for when you decide to kick.

The taper should really be just the 7

 

[RxVeritas]

I quit taking seven. Tapering down can be helpful but 7 kick is brutal. You’re going to need to take time off when you jump.

But it seems like you have a decent med cabinet.

I think you need to use those meds for when you actually jump and you should taper on just the 7.

It’ll give you an idea of what it’s going to be like. 7 has a unique ability to just drive you against your own will to dose. So I think it will be helpful for you to taper on your own without medication assistance.

When you’re ready to jump there’s a whole host of vitamins and minerals that will help but what you have is great for when you decide to kick.

The taper should really be just the 7

Thank you, i appreciate your advice.

How rapidly did you taper?

I would like to do it in less than two weeks because of money. What would you recommend for a daily reduction in dose to minimize suffering? The reason I am open to using the other meds is because I need to function at work as I have pretty bad anxiety, and 7 withdrawal does not help my anxiety.

Once again, I appreciate you.

 

[helpingout]

Thank you, i appreciate your advice.

How rapidly did you taper?

I would like to do it in less than two weeks because of money. What would you recommend for a daily reduction in dose to minimize suffering? The reason I am open to using the other meds is because I need to function at work as I have pretty bad anxiety, and 7 withdrawal does not help my anxiety.

Once again, I appreciate you.

Go down 15 mg a day and it’ll take you ten days to be at 15mg per day. That would be a good point to jump.

Remember 7 withdrawal straight up causes anxiety. So be prepared to deal with much higher than normal anxiety levels. So keep cloning on hand and get some Theanine and magnesium.

Look up vitamins for opioid withdrawal in the search with my username. You’ll find a comprehensive list of things that will help.

 

[RxVeritas]

Go down 15 mg a day and it’ll take you ten days to be at 15mg per day. That would be a good point to jump.

Remember 7 withdrawal straight up causes anxiety. So be prepared to deal with much higher than normal anxiety levels. So keep cloning on hand and get some Theanine and magnesium.

Look up vitamins for opioid withdrawal in the search with my username. You’ll find a comprehensive list of things that will help.

15mg a day in 10 days makes sense. Yesterday I was able to go down to 270 (a reduction of 30mg) without any noticeable withdrawals. I did end up taking an additional 200mg of lyrica (earlier dose was fading off) and 1mg extra of klonopin since we had a no call no show so I ended up having to do the work of two people, so that may account for my complete lack of discomfort.

Today I'm working a part time job, which is at a smoke shop and much less anxiety inducing. I started the day with 500mg lyrica and 2mg clonazepam (normal dosage). I've so far taken 110mg of 7 and depending on how I feel throughout the day will aim to take no more than another 130mg, bringing me down another 30mg to a total of 240mg for the day.

Right now I'm feeling fine, no withdrawals. The lyrica really seems to be working quite well so far; I upped my daily dose today by 100mg in order to see if I can get away with taking less 7. (This is beating a dead horse, but good god is this shit expensive).

Also I would like to clarify that right now I don't plan on quitting altogether, because 7 does help relieve my pain that cannabis cannot. I just want to get down to a much lower (and affordable) dosage.

I will document my results later in the day.

Thank you for the resources, I appreciate it.

 

[helpingout]

15mg a day in 10 days makes sense. Yesterday I was able to go down to 270 (a reduction of 30mg) without any noticeable withdrawals. I did end up taking an additional 200mg of lyrica (earlier dose was fading off) and 1mg extra of klonopin since we had a no call no show so I ended up having to do the work of two people, so that may account for my complete lack of discomfort.

Today I'm working a part time job, which is at a smoke shop and much less anxiety inducing. I started the day with 500mg lyrica and 2mg clonazepam (normal dosage). I've so far taken 110mg of 7 and depending on how I feel throughout the day will aim to take no more than another 130mg, bringing me down another 30mg to a total of 240mg for the day.

Right now I'm feeling fine, no withdrawals. The lyrica really seems to be working quite well so far; I upped my daily dose today by 100mg in order to see if I can get away with taking less 7. (This is beating a dead horse, but good god is this shit expensive).

Also I would like to clarify that right now I don't plan on quitting altogether, because 7 does help relieve my pain that cannabis cannot. I just want to get down to a much lower (and affordable) dosage.

I will document my results later in the day.

Thank you for the resources, I appreciate it.

You’re welcome and good luck. Don’t fall back on your commitment to yourself. You’re doing this because it will better your experience and your pocketbook. You got this.

 

[GooberDoober]

Hey friend, I have never taken as much 7 as you but I did a binge a little while back knowing it would lead to withdrawal, and I found that the physical withdrawal wasn't that bad compared to real deal opiates. Mostly hot and cold flashes were bad for a night or so, plus sleeplessness which I dealt with through a really strong mulungu extract. The main issue when you finally jump ship will be emotional issues for a few days to a week and then paws. What I wanted to say though is that you should look into plain leaf or full spectrum mit extract like "Space dust" or "White magic 63%" as I found that mixing a little 7 with my full spec extract or leaf not only makes the 7 feel way stronger (20-60mg feels like 100 or more) but more importantly makes it last like 5-6hours instead of 2 cause the short duration is the main reason 7 is not good for maintenance in my opinion, with both 7 and mit I can use mit for management as it lasts longer, and use 7 for special moments (recreation or breakthrough pain)

 

[RxVeritas]

You’re welcome and good luck. Don’t fall back on your commitment to yourself. You’re doing this because it will better your experience and your pocketbook. You got this.

Thank you, I really appreciate your support.

Hey friend, I have never taken as much 7 as you but I did a binge a little while back knowing it would lead to withdrawal, and I found that the physical withdrawal wasn't that bad compared to real deal opiates. Mostly hot and cold flashes were bad for a night or so, plus sleeplessness which I dealt with through a really strong mulungu extract. The main issue when you finally jump ship will be emotional issues for a few days to a week and then paws. What I wanted to say though is that you should look into plain leaf or full spectrum mit extract like "Space dust" or "White magic 63%" as I found that mixing a little 7 with my full spec extract or leaf not only makes the 7 feel way stronger (20-60mg feels like 100 or more) but more importantly makes it last like 5-6hours instead of 2 cause the short duration is the main reason 7 is not good for maintenance in my opinion, with both 7 and mit I can use mit for management as it lasts longer, and use 7 for special moments (recreation or breakthrough pain)

I work at a vape shop (I'm here right now) so I have plentiful access to many different extracts/kratom, and I like your idea of supplementing with mitragynine/full spectrum extract. I'm going to try that today and see how it goes.

Do you take them both at the same time or do you wait to take the 7 until your leaf/ extract kicks in?

 

[GooberDoober]

Thank you, I really appreciate your support.



I work at a vape shop (I'm here right now) so I have plentiful access to many different extracts/kratom, and I like your idea of supplementing with mitragynine/full spectrum extract. I'm going to try that today and see how it goes.

Do you take them both at the same time or do you wait to take the 7 until your leaf/ extract kicks in?

I don't have a super special way of going about it, since 7 is more short acting in my experience I guess I usually would wait until after the mit hits. Honestly usually I use mostly mit now throughout the day and then 7 is treated as more of a special treat. I do think if you want it to hit really hard and get that euphoria its better to use them at the same time so your receptors aren't occupied already, but if you try to do that everyday you wont get any real euphoria anyway, so I only hit it with 7 first if its a special occasion thing, like I went to the zoo a few weeks ago and had that be my 7 first day. It can be hard to manage at first, but now that I am mostly using mit, I actually feel a lot better cause I get actual euphoria on my 7 first days and Mit lasts way longer so I dont have to take any redosing bathroom breaks at work which honestly rocks. Good luck, feel free to ask any other questions you have cause I have been messing with these indoles and plants for a long time.

 

[GooberDoober]

Also dont discount the "weaker" lower mit full spec extracts, I was using one called space dust I think that was lower in mit but had lots of secondary alkaloids, and honesty that stuff rocks my world, I think it's easy to discount the effectiveness of some of the secondary alkaloids other than mit, 7, pseudoendoxyl, etc. but they have their own unique effects.

 

[RxVeritas]

I don't have a super special way of going about it, since 7 is more short acting in my experience I guess I usually would wait until after the mit hits. Honestly usually I use mostly mit now throughout the day and then 7 is treated as more of a special treat. I do think if you want it to hit really hard and get that euphoria its better to use them at the same time so your receptors aren't occupied already, but if you try to do that everyday you wont get any real euphoria anyway, so I only hit it with 7 first if its a special occasion thing, like I went to the zoo a few weeks ago and had that be my 7 first day. It can be hard to manage at first, but now that I am mostly using mit, I actually feel a lot better cause I get actual euphoria on my 7 first days and Mit lasts way longer so I dont have to take any redosing bathroom breaks at work which honestly rocks. Good luck, feel free to ask any other questions you have cause I have been messing with these indoles and plants for a long time.

The idea of tapering down and replacing the 7 mostly with MIT and using the 7 on occasion instead definitely makes sense.

I took roughly 300mg MIT (and no more than 15mg of 7, as it was in the form of OPMS black capsules) an hour ago and am pleasantly surprised that I can actually feel something other than the 7. It's mild, but I am curious to see how it affects my final dose of 7 (35mg) for the day.

That brings me to 250mg of 7 today, which is a reduction of 20mg from yesterday, and so far I've had no real discomfort. I figure as long as I reduce the dose by 20-30mg per day I will easily be down to 20-50mg in less than two weeks.

It would probably benefit me financially to switch to mostly MIT, and I know it would also keep my tolerance lwer. That would be great, because my tolerance to 7 right now is pretty ridiculous.

Your advice is much appreciated, especially the timeliness of it.

 

[GooberDoober]

Awesome man, and yeah, it was a little annoying at times for me at first with some cravings, but once I got it down to where I could handle a day with just Mit I found it to be really nice actually. Especially cause I feel like mit is a really nice unique experience on its own especially if you have a lower tolerance, and since you dont need to dose as often the tolerance seems to stay alot more consistent for me cause Im way less likely to compulsively / unnecessary re-dose. Also some of the other alks in kratom that are missing from the heavier stuff actually interact with other receptors beyond the opioids like the cannabinoid system and NMDA receptors. If you're ever interested, do some reading on the peripheral kratom alkaloids like rhynchophylline, Ajmalicine, etc. I was able to try a pure rhynchophylline extract one time and it was definitely active and very unique. Have a good night, and good luck to you again.

 

[RxVeritas]

Today I'm working at the vape shop (lower anxiety day) so I started off the day with 400mg lyrica, 2mg clonazepam and 300mg gabapentin (both "normal" doses) as well as 300mg MIT and 15mg of 7 around 8:30am.

About an hour after that I took 50mg of 7

I took an additional 50mg about 30 minutes ago.

The MIT was a good idea

I also just took another 200mg lyrica because I think that might help me reduce my daily dose by another 30mg today, maybe more if I can tolerate it. That would bring my down to 220mg or less for the day.

One of the reasons that I'm posting this is for accountability. Also, keeping an actual record of dosages as opposed to just doing it in my head (aka winging it) is, I think, necessary in this case.


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[helpingout]

@RxVeritas

I’m reading on another thread that a bluelighter has been having seizures since using lyrica with 7oh. Please be aware of the potential dangers of that combo. I’m sorry I didn’t tell you the other day. I hadn’t found out until today.

 

[helpingout]

Post in thread '7oh and seizures???'

Sep 21, 2025

It can cause seizures by itself ( rarely ) and not so rarely if u combine it with seizure-treshold lowering substances which are stimulants as well as certain opioids and opiates ( information from my algeziologist - pain doctor and also from my psychiatrists ).

Ritalin on its own makes me jittery, Adderall don't do that just pure calmness and while Ritalin works for my head it just feels hard on my body but my doc won't switch me bc there's a shortage for Adderall (his office just over prescribed it) my girl is a pharmacist so Ik there's not a shortage and now I'm worried if I go...

• Kurt Cobain

 

[RxVeritas]

@RxVeritas

I’m reading on another thread that a bluelighter has been having seizures since using lyrica with 7oh. Please be aware of the potential dangers of that combo. I’m sorry I didn’t tell you the other day. I hadn’t found out until today.

Thank you for letting me know that. I'm not too worried about it because I take a pretty good amount of clonazepam on a given day. That being said, another milligram down the hatch.

I'm also consuming quite a lot of THC currently, although I'm not sure if that wpuld be preventative of a seizure in this case.


I looked at that thread and my gut instinct is that the ritalin was probably moreso responsible for the seizure than the lyrica, but I have no idea of the dosages and of course that is pure speculation.


I will move forward with this knowledge, thank you again for bringing It to my attention and there is no need to apologize; you didnt know.

 

[TinFoilFez]

Hey there - hope the tapering is going well. Just wanted to warn that you have to taper off the Lyrica, or Gabapentin, too. Can't stop those things cold turkey or you will seize. Best of luck and health to you!

 

[RxVeritas]

I wanted to post an update.

I got down to 150mg and then a bunch of free samples came in, so now I'm back to ~300mg/day.

I have just acquired more lyrica and I also should have my qhands on some suboxone this week.

Using suboxone to get off of 7oh, would it be possible to taper down the 7 while adding a small (.5mg?) dose of suboxone, or will i need to have all of the 7 out of my system? I've used suboxone before but not for this purpose, and at 2mg per day.

I appreciate your feedback in advance, as anybody who has gone through this knows how brutal it is.

Veritas

 

[RxVeritas]

I wanted to post an update.

I got down to 150mg and then a bunch of free samples came in, so now I'm back to ~300mg/day.

I have just acquired more lyrica and I also should have my qhands on some suboxone this week.

Using suboxone to get off of 7oh, would it be possible to taper down the 7 while adding a small (.5mg?) dose of suboxone, or will i need to have all of the 7 out of my system beforei start the subs? I've used suboxone before but not for this purpose, and at 2mg per day.

I appreciate your feedback in advance, as anybody who has gone through this knows how brutal it is.

 

[HotSockMcAlistair]

Hey man! I’ll be starting 7OH taper myself tomorrow. Do you find the THC vape helps you sleep while tapering? Whenever I’ve tried cutting down I can’t sleep to save my life so I’m eyeing a thc vape just for night time. I’m coming from 350-500mg daily so I’m with you man! Best of luck and keep at it