In theory, of course, one could grind the flower pod of the papaver somniferum and make a tea out of it. This tea would produce a strong narcotic effect. One could also grind the stems when the pods are gone. But heres the question, if 6 pods are a standard dose, then how many stems would be required to get the same effect? Is there a ratio that a fellow tea-drinker uses?
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6 poppy pods : X poppy stems
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Grand Master of Somniferon
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Try www.poppies.org .I think that they have some info that you might find useful.
preacher
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Alright a poppy tea post, thats more up my aisle.
When i get desparite enough to use the stems, this is how i do it:
1. I only use the top 3-4 inches of the stem as opposed to the entire stem. I've always been under the impression that this is the only part of the stem with any alkaloids.
2. As for how many to use. I usally use 7-8 times as many stems than pods, so in you case i would go with somewere between 40-50 stems.
3. Also keep in mind that you will need to use more water as there will be alot more matterial to steep.
4. Also, i've noticed that certain stems don't do anything(mediums) while others work just as well as the pods themselves(larges).
good luck
[ 16 April 2002: Message edited by: preacher ]
When i get desparite enough to use the stems, this is how i do it:
1. I only use the top 3-4 inches of the stem as opposed to the entire stem. I've always been under the impression that this is the only part of the stem with any alkaloids.
2. As for how many to use. I usally use 7-8 times as many stems than pods, so in you case i would go with somewere between 40-50 stems.
3. Also keep in mind that you will need to use more water as there will be alot more matterial to steep.
4. Also, i've noticed that certain stems don't do anything(mediums) while others work just as well as the pods themselves(larges).
good luck
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The whole poppy plant has some amount of active alkaloids. The alkaloids are brought up through the roots, so using the whole plant is just fine and actually is better seeing as how you don't waste any yummy alkaloids.
If ya want a reference or anything check out Opium for the Masse by Jim Hogshire
If ya want a reference or anything check out Opium for the Masse by Jim Hogshire
preacher
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yeah, granted the alkaloids are all thoughout the stem, but logical deduction leads me to conclude that the majority of the M is concentrated in the pod's shell. I would then assume that since the next 3-4 inches of the stem are closest to the pod, they M would gradually decrease from there. i have run a few experiments with this in mind and my findings seem to support my theory.
My main reason for only useing the top 3-4 inches is this: making tea with stems you are working with alot of material and given that, i am going to only use the "best-of-the-best" if you know what i mean.
**** also, if you really want to get fancy, you could save up all of your stems and extract the "putty" from them. this will require at least 500 stems to make if a worthwhile endeavor though. see link on how-to----> http://www.poppies.org/forum/DCForumID5/569.html
peace
My main reason for only useing the top 3-4 inches is this: making tea with stems you are working with alot of material and given that, i am going to only use the "best-of-the-best" if you know what i mean.
**** also, if you really want to get fancy, you could save up all of your stems and extract the "putty" from them. this will require at least 500 stems to make if a worthwhile endeavor though. see link on how-to----> http://www.poppies.org/forum/DCForumID5/569.html
peace
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Do you blendder up the plant material?
When ya do it's really not all that much.
When ya do it's really not all that much.
PhreeX
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I always used the stems when I made tea.. it's really not much more plant material and I just couldn't bring myself to throw away something that could contain active alkaloids .. taste isnt an issue if you make your tea right - you need enough sugar to put a young child into a coma and a few packets of tea .. tastes really good! And definitly does the job..
I have thrown away about 100 stems and just recently smacked myself in the face when I suddenly recalled reading that alkaloids are present in the stems. As of now I have 63 stems arranged in a vase(wow, they don't look to bad either, they CAN be used in arrangements!) that won't go into the trash until they are wet.
preacher
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Yes there are secondary products (alkaloids) found throughout the entire plant. There is research being done on this. There are also ways to grow the plants that increase the amount of secondary products through out the plant, whether it has pods or not. Unfortunately, I cannot tell any of you anthing else about this since this work has not been published yet and I have signed a confidentiality contract. But like I said, there are plety of the secondary products spead throughout the plant, and while I have never made tea or anything like that, I would definately suggest using the entire plant.
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What do you mean by secondary products?
Some countries rely entirely on poppy stems to extract all there morphine!
But u do need alot of dried poppies,
I got the percentages lyin round somewhere+they where alot higher than i originally thought.
Try evapourating your poppy stem extraction,and you'll end up with opium,
I once did about 25 dried poppies+ended up with about 3.5grams of dried opium.
Problems u face with a water extraction is that morphine isn't very soluable in water so your not getting out all the goodness! with a water extraction,
There are ways to overcome this....
ITAL-YOUTH,UK
But u do need alot of dried poppies,
I got the percentages lyin round somewhere+they where alot higher than i originally thought.
Try evapourating your poppy stem extraction,and you'll end up with opium,
I once did about 25 dried poppies+ended up with about 3.5grams of dried opium.
Problems u face with a water extraction is that morphine isn't very soluable in water so your not getting out all the goodness! with a water extraction,
There are ways to overcome this....
ITAL-YOUTH,UK
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It is soulable in water.. and it's not opium that you end up with..
Opium is the latex that leaks out from the pod from incisions that are made..
Anyways.. if you are taking about the same thing I think you are.. you are getting a putty like substance.
Opium is the latex that leaks out from the pod from incisions that are made..
Anyways.. if you are taking about the same thing I think you are.. you are getting a putty like substance.
PhreeX
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Make tea, fuck the opium.. yeah, you can get a decent high from smoking all night, but personally I enjoy some potent ass tea over the tar anyday.. if you do have the opium it's not actually that difficult to convert it to morphine but you probably dont have access to the chemical(s) you need...
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Thanks for the link. I tried that putty recipe one time with like 6 doses, was severely dissapointed. I had to swallow like 15 0.5gram balls of putty, and I never really felt that much. I ended up reconstituting it and drinking is as a tea, anyway. Although, it did shave some prep time off of the tea making. Chop up your dose, drop it in h20, nuke for 2 minutes, stir good and sip away.
PhreeX
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The easiest thing to do with pods is to make tea - and it's really worth it, because all the labor is worth it when you are feeling the warmth from your first glass!