5APB VS 5MAPB DISCUSSION

[TrippyToes]

Just curious on everyone’s opinion.

 

[Pastel]

Are these things still for sale at large? I thought that cheap PMK-based MDMA pretty much killed the gray benzofury market.
I had most of benzofurans. I actually still have one I never got to trying and at this point probably never will.
Hcl salts of both when you could get them were good substances. Most people found that 5-MAPB was closest thing to MDMA. I tried it at the time when I was taking Hcl 5-APB/6-APB mix once a week or once every two weeks so next their prominent push 5-MAPB felt too gentle, even weak. But then I was never a fan of pure MDMA which I found too relaxing for a club dancing scene. As to 5-APB, I found it lacking by itself, but it was great in the mix that I described.

 

[Esperighanto]

Are these things still for sale at large?

Nah they're exceptionally rare relative to normal MDMA.

Hcl salts of both when you could get them were good substances.

The majority of benzofurans don't salt out well to the hydrochloride salt at all, but a couple of them can. Did you guys also have the weird dosing irregularities due to succinate vs hemisuccinate benzofurans back then?

OT: 5-APB feels a lot more like MDA, burning bright like a sparkler for 10-14 hours straight, whereas 5-MAPB is like a 6-8 hour long take on MDMA without any meth-y elements. 5-MAPB is my all time favorite empathogen, it's what should be used in therapy sessions imo.

 

[SuperPsych]

OT: 5-APB feels a lot more like MDA, burning bright like a sparkler for 10-14 hours straight, whereas 5-MAPB is like a 6-8 hour long take on MDMA without any meth-y elements.

If comparing 5-APB and 5-MAPB to MD(M)A; I'd say that this is more or less spot on. To me, 5-APB is comparable to MDA in terms of in your face euphoria, physical stimulation and psychedelia. 5-APB is closer to 8-12 hours for me personally, though it has been years.

Your description of 5-MAPB is spot on, both duration and the qualities of the experience

5-MAPB is my all time favorite empathogen, it's what should be used in therapy sessions imo.

5-MAPB isn't my personal all-time favorite empathogen, but you and I see eye to eye on the therapy thing. IME, 5-MAPB is much more likely to result in trauma processing and dumping. I wouldn't recommend 5-MAPB use unless its with someone that one trusts very deeply or in a therapy session. If one has secrets that they dont want shared with the world, they should take caution with this chemical.

I have seen it save lives. Multiple occasions of people finally being able to talk about lifelong trauma that they had never been able to talk about. 5-MAPB is a profoundly powerful medicine and I very firmly believe that it's superior to MDMA in terms of medicinal value. 5-MAPB has a fairly smooth comeup, long plateau and a slow and comfortable decline back to baseline. The lack of stimulation means that 5-MAPB is physically relaxing, almost sedating. All one wants to do while under it's effects is to just sit and talk. Perfect for therapy

 

[Leprechaun]

If comparing 5-APB and 5-MAPB to MD(M)A; I'd say that this is more or less spot on. To me, 5-APB is comparable to MDA in terms of in your face euphoria, physical stimulation and psychedelia. 5-APB is closer to 8-12 hours for me personally, though it has been years.

Your description of 5-MAPB is spot on, both duration and the qualities of the experience


5-MAPB isn't my personal all-time favorite empathogen, but you and I see eye to eye on the therapy thing. IME, 5-MAPB is much more likely to result in trauma processing and dumping. I wouldn't recommend 5-MAPB use unless its with someone that one trusts very deeply or in a therapy session. If one has secrets that they dont want shared with the world, they should take caution with this chemical.

I have seen it save lives. Multiple occasions of people finally being able to talk about lifelong trauma that they had never been able to talk about. 5-MAPB is a profoundly powerful medicine and I very firmly believe that it's superior to MDMA in terms of medicinal value. 5-MAPB has a fairly smooth comeup, long plateau and a slow and comfortable decline back to baseline. The lack of stimulation means that 5-MAPB is physically relaxing, almost sedating. All one wants to do while under it's effects is to just sit and talk. Perfect for therapy

You should absolutely send this off to Dr Nichols. Although he’s retired, I think he would appreciate his creation being given some credit!

 

[Innerpeace]

5-MAPB is much more likely to result in trauma processing and dumping. I wouldn't recommend 5-MAPB use unless its with someone that one trusts very deeply or in a therapy session. If one has secrets that they dont want shared with the world, they should take caution with this chemical.

I agree. Ive done 5 mapb at least ten times over almost ten years, maybe fifteen times. Ime, it is far better at causing you to unleash whatever is on your mind than mdma. Mdma is strong in that regard. I guess Id call 5 mapb super strong , in that regard, trauma processing and dumping.

Better for trauma therapy than mdma. Maps.org would be wise to use this. Although they invested thousands of millions of dollars into mdma, Rick Dobbins more than likely wants to stick with mdma for helping people process trauma under the guide of an psychologist.

 

[boring24]

Just wanted to ask about the 2SSY tablets and the CNDY motion potion tablets as well as the Plur tablets anyone have any input regarding those. I took one of them and went to bed with jaw clenching

 

[crazyotter87]

OT: 5-APB feels a lot more like MDA, burning bright like a sparkler for 10-14 hours straight, whereas 5-MAPB is like a 6-8 hour long take on MDMA without any meth-y elements. 5-MAPB is my all time favorite empathogen, it's what should be used in therapy sessions imo.

If comparing 5-APB and 5-MAPB to MD(M)A; I'd say that this is more or less spot on. To me, 5-APB is comparable to MDA in terms of in your face euphoria, physical stimulation and psychedelia. 5-APB is closer to 8-12 hours for me personally, though it has been years.

Rolling on 45mg of 5-APB HCl right now. It’s been ~3h since I took it. I definitely undershot the dose by 10-15 mg. It’s riding the line between being fun and uncomfortable. It’s wayyyyyyy more stoning than MDA. I want to move, but as soon as I get up, I’m like, “Nope! I’d rather just sit here, lmao.”

It’s as if I’m waiting for something to happen... Maybe this is Meh5-APB? Still torn over whether I’m coming up or not. I just took 40mg of 5-MAPB too.

Have a nice day, y’all. I just figured you benzofuran enjoyers would both like to hear about the combo. I’ll report back once I’m no longer rolling on how 5-MAPB pairs with 5-APB ;-)

EDIT: Good fucking rollz.

 

[Pastel]

6-APDB was awesome. And very similar to 5-ME(R‑MMC) without requiring a 500mg dose.

 

[crazyotter87]

Welp, I'm a few days late to this, but better late than never, eh? I'll try to keep this short and sweet.

First and foremost, I definitely shot the dose too low, probably by about 10mg.

The batch of 5-APB I have is the wickedly potent Chinese stuff that was falsely advertised as 6-APB. The vendor who sold it to me told me, and I quote: "Yes it is the recent Chinese batch that was going around. It is HCL salt so it is very potent. 50mg I was feeling very nice. 80mg floored me and my friends. Zero comedown and very nice afterglow for days." Terrible OpSec on my part, but whatever, lol.

Anyway, I woke up at 8am. on Sunday, which is my Saturday, ate some yogurt and blueberries, parachuted 45mg on the dot, and got started with my day.

The come-up was horrendous. I didn't feel anything for probably an hour, and when it finally started to come on, it was reminiscent of coming down on LSD. I was stuck in this weird in-between state.

When the three-hour mark hit, I was still underwhelmed and disappointed, so I decided to take 40mg of 5-MAPB HCl. The 5-APB was stoning. I didn't really want to move, and the euphoria came in waves, although it was still quite lackluster. I got lost in my thoughts for maybe 45 minutes to an hour, which was probably the most entertaining part of it.

There's really not too much more to report. The 5-MAPB did make it more enjoyable, but it was still incredibly bleh.

The days afterward were, and still are, fine. No Tuesday Blues. I was basically sober enough to drive a car at around 8pm. I didn't drive, of course, but aside from my pupils still being dilated and having a slight mood boost, I felt completely fine. If I remember correctly, this was roughly 12 hours after dosing, including the 5-MAPB redose three hours into it.

Very, very minor nystagmus, incredibly minor bruxism, and overall, just not the best time.

All in all, I should have dosed higher. I was quite bored with it. Then again, the realization did come to me that there is more to life than spamming serotonin every couple of months, especially when you're alone and doing the same shit every time, lmao.

Next time I do it, I plan to take no less than 70mg.

I hope this helped someone.

 

[SuperPsych]

You should absolutely send this off to Dr Nichols. Although he’s retired, I think he would appreciate his creation being given some credit!

I appreciate it! I would love to get into contact with Dr. Nichols. They are someone that I look up too and I have benefited from a number of their creations. However; I imagine that even though retied, They are probably rather busy. Other than that; I don't really wanna hit them up and be like " Hey! I used your brainchild recreationally and it really helped!" Don't wanna risk any trouble for them. I imagine that they realize the value of their creation

Welp, I'm a few days late to this, but better late than never, eh? I'll try to keep this short and sweet.

First and foremost, I definitely shot the dose too low, probably by about 10mg.

The batch of 5-APB I have is the wickedly potent Chinese stuff that was falsely advertised as 6-APB. The vendor who sold it to me told me, and I quote: "Yes it is the recent Chinese batch that was going around. It is HCL salt so it is very potent. 50mg I was feeling very nice. 80mg floored me and my friends. Zero comedown and very nice afterglow for days." Terrible OpSec on my part, but whatever, lol.

Anyway, I woke up at 8am. on Sunday, which is my Saturday, ate some yogurt and blueberries, parachuted 45mg on the dot, and got started with my day.

The come-up was horrendous. I didn't feel anything for probably an hour, and when it finally started to come on, it was reminiscent of coming down on LSD. I was stuck in this weird in-between state.

When the three-hour mark hit, I was still underwhelmed and disappointed, so I decided to take 40mg of 5-MAPB HCl. The 5-APB was stoning. I didn't really want to move, and the euphoria came in waves, although it was still quite lackluster. I got lost in my thoughts for maybe 45 minutes to an hour, which was probably the most entertaining part of it.

There's really not too much more to report. The 5-MAPB did make it more enjoyable, but it was still incredibly bleh.

The days afterward were, and still are, fine. No Tuesday Blues. I was basically sober enough to drive a car at around 8pm. I didn't drive, of course, but aside from my pupils still being dilated and having a slight mood boost, I felt completely fine. If I remember correctly, this was roughly 12 hours after dosing, including the 5-MAPB redose three hours into it.

Very, very minor nystagmus, incredibly minor bruxism, and overall, just not the best time.

All in all, I should have dosed higher. I was quite bored with it. Then again, the realization did come to me that there is more to life than spamming serotonin every couple of months, especially when you're alone and doing the same shit every time, lmao.

Next time I do it, I plan to take no less than 70mg.

I hope this helped someone.

Aye, I have the same batch! I have yet to try it out of fear tbh. I used 5-APB a number of times around 113-14 years ago or so. The comeup is some of the worst that I have experienced. 70mg is pretty spot on I think. Anyone taking this, imagine at least 90 minutes before you feel much of anything, another 40-60 minutes before you start peaking. Thats 2 to 3 hours of feeling "ohhh god.... what did I do to myself???? This is horrible"

That feeling melts away eventually. I have used 150+ separate different chemicals. 5-APB is by far the most intense and intimidating come up for me

 

[crazyotter87]

I appreciate it! I would love to get into contact with Dr. Nichols. They are someone that I look up too and I have benefited from a number of their creations. However; I imagine that even though retied, They are probably rather busy. Other than that; I don't really wanna hit them up and be like " Hey! I used your brainchild recreationally and it really helped!" Don't wanna risk any trouble for them. I imagine that they realize the value of their creation


Aye, I have the same batch! I have yet to try it out of fear tbh. I used 5-APB a number of times around 113-14 years ago or so. The comeup is some of the worst that I have experienced. 70mg is pretty spot on I think. Anyone taking this, imagine at least 90 minutes before you feel much of anything, another 40-60 minutes before you start peaking. Thats 2 to 3 hours of feeling "ohhh god.... what did I do to myself???? This is horrible"

That feeling melts away eventually. I have used 150+ separate different chemicals. 5-APB is by far the most intense and intimidating come up for me

Same batch gang, come in! Anything below 60 mg is most likely a complete waste of time. I really can't say the same about the come-up as you. It was bad, but it wasn't that bad. Wellllll, now that I think about it, I've never really had a come-up quite like that. It was comforting knowing that all my fears would melt away within an hour or two, xD. Interesting kinetics 5-APB has. It's definitely not like coming up on MDMA, which has practically no come-up. More of a, "Hmm, I feel a little weird," 30-45 minutes in, and then 30 seconds later you're a moaning bag of meat. Or even with MDA, where I've always had at least an hour-long come-up, even on an empty stomach. Dosing too low probably didn't help with the come-up taking so long either...

But yes, to anyone reading this who has the same batch, do not take less than 60-70 mg, or you'll be left wondering what all the buzz was about, like me.