5-APB + 5-MAPB for a psytrance show?

[SuperPsych]

First of all, has anyone mixed 5-APB and 5-MAPB? If so, how was it? I'll be going to an OTT concert in about a week. The show is 6 hours, so fairly long. I'm thinking about rolling but don't have MDMA or MDA available, but I do have both 5-APB and 5-MAPB available. I'm thinking that a mix might be better than one or the other for this purpose. 5-MAPB I have always found to be couch lock-y and mongish, while 5-APB is more stimulating but has a pretty damn long come up period. I'm thinking that the 5-MAPB will sorta get things going while waiting for the 5-APB to kick in, and maybe the 5-APB come up won't be so bad if I'm already rolling lightly off of 5-MAPB.

If I end up not rolling then I'll probably take some 3-me-PCP which is conducive to dancing, it'll just be a matter of getting the dose and timing right. And on that note, does anyone know if 3-me-PCP would be safe to mix with an empathogen? Psychedelics are also an option but I'm iffy on taking those in public unless I'm rolling or feeling really confident about it

 

[realgar]

does anyone know if 3-me-PCP would be safe to mix with an empathogen?

I can't say anything about 3-Me-PCP. However, MXM (60 mg of hydrochloride intranasally) on the tail end of 5-MAPB (80 mg of hydrochloride by parachuting) has once resulted in annoying thought loops.

 

[Mjäll]

I can't say anything about 3-Me-PCP. However, MXM (60 mg of hydrochloride intranasally) on the tail end of 5-MAPB (80 mg of hydrochloride by parachuting) has once resulted in annoying thought loops.

How does one distinguish "annoying thought loops" from just spacing out on dissos?

 

[SuperPsych]

I can't say anything about 3-Me-PCP. However, MXM (60 mg of hydrochloride intranasally) on the tail end of 5-MAPB (80 mg of hydrochloride by parachuting) has once resulted in annoying thought loops.

MXM as in Methoxmetamine? I've never tried that one. What would you describe as "annoying thought loops"? Like what was going through your mind?

Looks like I may actually have MDMA available to me, so I'll probably go that route as it's more predictable for me. I haven't done 5-MAPB in years and haven't done any 5-APB in an even longer period of time/ So I'm gonna stick with 160mg-200mg MDMA total for the show. I'm tempted to bring some 5-APB because it has been a long time. Maybe like 85-100mg MDMA + 30mg 5-APB? Maybe add some 3-me-PCP towards the tail end and maybe a psychedelic somewhere in there.

 

[realgar]

MXM as in Methoxmetamine? I've never tried that one. What would you describe as "annoying thought loops"?

Yes, methoxmetamine. My GF suddenly started thinking about an odd story that I told her quite a long time ago, she recalled it over and over again and couldn’t stop, which made her anxious for a while.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Yes, methoxmetamine. My GF suddenly started thinking about an odd story that I told her quite a long time ago, she recalled it over and over again and couldn’t stop, which made her anxious for a while.

And will keep you awake a long while, so experiencing para on it.
On the comedown of MDMA, i wouldn mix these, like Ketamine at the tail end.

That if you into disso s, a bump is enough, like with MXE. But K mixes very well.
But alway s try it first separately, when first time. XTC and K are magic. Ime.

 

[SuperPsych]

Yes, methoxmetamine. My GF suddenly started thinking about an odd story that I told her quite a long time ago, she recalled it over and over again and couldn’t stop, which made her anxious for a while.

I see. I've had similar experiences of recalling traumatic memories vividly, or memories that are trauma adjacent while under the influence of dissociatives. Haven't had it happen with empathogens but I've also not really used many empathogens in recent years