40mg of hydromorphone

[negrogesic]

Ok, so basically, i got these 5 brand name 8mg dilaudid tablets. I will post pictures later. In any event, my question is essentially: is all 5 8mg tablets (40mg) a good IV dose for me to get HIGH. This wouldnt even be a question if i wasnt on 140mg of methadone a day (i was on 180mg for a year). So i dont want to waste the pills by shooting 3 and then only having 2 left, although i can obtain more. But i live in the immediate, so i have 5 8mg tablets now, and i dont want to waste them by not banging enough. So should i inject all 40mg simultaneously. If you are an IV user, you know its all about the rush, especially with a short lasting drug like hydromorphone IVed, so i really want the right dose. But i dont want to die. According to one chart, 28mg of IV hydromorphone is equal to 281mg of oxycodone IVed. But the chart ends at 28mg. I guess i am just talking to myself outloud, but i think i do the full 40mg without dying, and get a nice nod out of it. But i might be wrong. So bottom line, has anyone out here toyed around with brand name IV hydromorphone in doses over 20-30mg? If so, what was your tolerance?

 

[PhreeX]

As I told you via IM, you gotta realize that you gotta FIRST break out of that 140mg Methadone hyold to get to the point where you are getting high...

It might be a great success...

On the flip side, you will have a LOT of strong CNS depressants in you and it could be too much ...

Carefull, if you die Catch-22 won't allow mea new moderator...

 

[blahblahblah]

definetly delay taking the methadone the longer the better its the easiest way to break thru... 140 is still high why dont you wait till your sick bang away and get the rush than eat your meth. ???

Im out the door so thats all I can say... good night to all

I dont know what will break thru your barrier, but I know a few junkies that were shooting 3-5 10mg dillies in one bang just to barely get the sickness off we were out the door in minutes to cop dope.

 

[negrogesic]

Yea, phreex, i posted this when we were speaking, and you are right.

But what the hell, i am going to try it all, i just wont take benzos before like im used to doing with heroin, which i am alot more comfortable injecting. And yea, phreex will be the only OD mod in this forum should something happen to me, but im more likely to get into a car accident than OD. I dont know what i was worried about.......

 

[Tri-nity]

with your tolerence I would say 35 is good. that extra 5mg can be the difference between nod and OD.

But from knowing and reading your posts you have a pretty ungodly tolerence.

I would find 20mg of hydromorphone IV to be equipotent to 140-160mg of Oxy IV'ed, more closer to 130 when I think about it.

Have u ever IV dilaudid before, if so this will help answer the question.

 

[NoKill]

I have had experience with both methadone maintainence and IV Dilaudid use. Shooting 40 mgs. of hydromorphone with a maintenace dose of 140mgs of methadone will probably not cause you to od. If anything the 40mgs. of dilaudid may not get you as high as you'd like to be.

NoKill

 

[Tri-nity]

how did it go? did you bang it all at once? theres no update so that must mean yo od'ed or it rocked, cause after some good dope i dont reply for a while.

 

[who mE?]

Personally, I think you should have a sober person with a listing of drugs you regularly take (so the medics won't lead you into seizures by using naloxone or forgetting to give you your daily diazepam) watching over you while you administer this ready to call an ambulance. Be sure to clean the facility used for the injection of anything illegal first. You should definately also practice the "press the plunger in halfway, then gauge the response, then finish it off" method of injection as well... actually injecting in quarters separated by a minute or so would probably be ideal. In my experience with Hydromorphone nasally, I found the rush to last at least 15-30 minutes.

But seriously, as this is a harm reduction site, please practice what you preach. No offence, you know I like you.

 

[negrogesic]

Yea this was a dumb post.

I did shoot it, but due to my lack of veins from previous injections, and probably because i smoked marijana right before shooting it, my hand was shaking and i hit the vein at first, and i just jammed down. About half went subcutaneously (skin-pop) and the rest got into my blood stream. But in either case, all the drug got inside me one way or the other. Unfortunately, i felt absolutely no high. I might have, if i got the whole thing in my vein. I still should have gotten high, since Sub-q administration is like muscling it, it would be definately better than oral administration. But in anycase i felt nothing. My pupils actually became slightly more dilated instead of constricted. I know the pills are real. I just suppose i need more. I really think that if i had finished the whole shot in a vein i probably would have felt something. Its sucks, i shot IVed/sub-q 5 8mg pills, so that is like $120 worth. AND NO HIGH! I think that fact that i got new syringes that day, and i wasnt used to them. I would of it with the old dull ones i was using. The sharp ones require a more steady hand, and more importantly, normal non-collasped veins. In trying to find a vein (unsucessfully) i evidently hit a nerve or something trying to shoot into my wrist, and i felt like i got shocked by an electric socket, my whole arm jumped, and i felt a sharp pain all over my hand. Eventually the pain wore off and it became very numb, and i could not move my thumb. It went away. But initally, it was terribly painfull went the need touched that nerve. It has happened to me before, but never this painfully, and ive never gotten shocked like that......

I have more sucess getting off with .5 of heroin. Even if i sub-qed 60 bucks of heroin i would have gotten high. Fuck this methadone tolerance, i need to get off it and get high like a normal person. Again sorry for the stupid post, i dont why i smoke that marjuana because i dont enjoy it, but i keep doing it out of boredom and to make me distracted from wanting to IV heroin.......

 

[Tri-nity]

Trust me, pot will not kill opiate cravings, when I have marijuana in my system I long for opiates more.
Hopefully some will come my way soon.
Did you pay for the pills or were they free?

 

[LikuidKid]

...5 8mg pills, so that is like $120 worth...

You got jackkkkked! 8mg Knoll Dilaudids go for 10 buxx in Canada man!

 

[negrogesic]

Well thats what i payed for it. But again, i was only buying low quanities, and i rarely shoot pills, so the cost is the cost, what can i say. Yea its sucks to throw 120 bucks away, but i have messed up some similarly expensive shots. Hell, i pay $1500 a month for methadone. So maybe i did get jacked to you, but i dont think 20-25 bucks is outrageous, an 8mg pill is slightly weaker than an oc80 IVed which people pay as much as 40 bucks for (which is a rip off). Yes, maybe if i lived closer the source i would have gotten a cheaper price, but i bought them from a different country, and the guy had to take a fucking cab to get the drugs. But what can i say, i fucked it up, i shouldnt smoke pot before shooting up, i knew this but i did it anyways. And yea pot does suck for cravings and can make it worse....

But i made the choice to buy them, and despite my missing the shot, i dont really regret it. Dont get me wrong, its no fun to blow $120 no matter how you look at it, but it happens. I just need to stick to heroin (not a pun)....

 

[groovee]

Who gives a crap how much you may for drugs anyway, there is always going to be some jackass that says they can get their drugs cheaper.

I pay 9 bucks for a 30 pack of PBR... pfffft!

 

[blacklabel]

Wow if only I could pay those prices for pks and I would be a happy camper. You guys call that expensive and it's almost 2x as cheap as what they would go for around here!

Anyway negro with your veins in as bad a shape as you say they are, I think it would be a lot more wise to stay on the methadone (albeit getting the dose down lower) instead of trying to get high (IV still I assume?) like a "normal" person. Slamming all those pills must have some health consequences?

Opiates are pretty much fucking impossible to do only in moderation. I've been trying to cut down for months and yet I can NEVER say no if killers are in my reach. I should just stop them altogether, and not be like "oh well this one time this week is fine" <---- I WISH!

 

[Dr. McBudstoke]

Anyway negro with your veins in as bad a shape as you say they are, I think it would be a lot more wise to stay on the methadone (albeit getting the dose down lower) instead of trying to get high (IV still I assume?)

people will get high no matter what shape their veins are in, or no matter how much methadone they are on. It's our job to make sure they do it as safe as possible...

that being said, i doubt negrogesic really needs alot of safety advice from fuckwhits like us...

 

[LikuidKid]

Who gives a crap how much you may for drugs anyway, there is always going to be some jackass that says they can get their drugs cheaper.

I pay 9 bucks for a 30 pack of PBR... pfffft!

Sod off. If anyone has the right to call me a jackass for saying that 120 is way too high for 5 8mg Dillies, it's Negrogesic, not you.

 

[edarrin]

Bicker,bicker. I think generally ,from what I have gathered from experience and reading stuff on this board for a while that pharmies are way cheaper and more common in Canada. Heroin is way cheaper and probably higher purity in the U.S.( at least in the north east US).

 

[swybs]

and honestly, someone may pay that for a small number of speciality items --but as negro stated, he simply wanted to try an experiment...

beyond that, dicksizing with prices on the internet is simply stupid. I just got back from another board where I read prices, that if this guy/girl actually was able to get (and get the amount this person said), that person would be a rich person and could employ couriers, mail drops, multiple identities, etc. Anyway, I lost my trail of thought. Point being, if someone had the highest-ucg actiqs, I would pay crazy money, but that is only because I haven't had them yet, and I can almost guarantee, after a month of having them, I wouldn't even buy them again.

rambling....damn, fridays. Love them.

swybs

 

[naturalone]

important factors in pricing also include; shipping, payment method (certain payment methods will rape you), low quantity orders (the more the cheaper, usually). and, when you can't hit-up a deal for a particular item that you are looking for, then more than likely, you will end-up paying more to get it.

i would imagine that this is one of the major reasons price threads aren't allowed here in OD; because everybody pays different prices depending on where you are. and, guess what, if someone has something you want, and you aren't willing to pay their price, then they will likely sell it to someone else.

there are no pricing guidelines for opiates. pot is pretty common across the board, but opiates (opioids) tend to vary in price widely based on location and availability.

 

[LikuidKid]

and honestly, someone may pay that for a small number of speciality items --but as negro stated, he simply wanted to try an experiment...

beyond that, dicksizing with prices on the internet is simply stupid. I just got back from another board where I read prices, that if this guy/girl actually was able to get (and get the amount this person said), that person would be a rich person and could employ couriers, mail drops, multiple identities, etc. Anyway, I lost my trail of thought. Point being, if someone had the highest-ucg actiqs, I would pay crazy money, but that is only because I haven't had them yet, and I can almost guarantee, after a month of having them, I wouldn't even buy them again.

rambling....damn, fridays. Love them.

swybs

I am fully fucking aware that negrogesic was conducting an experiment, which is why I decided to tell him that what he was paying was entirely too high of a price for what he was getting. He missed the shot, which to me made it seem like he was going to (or was @ least willing to) try the experiment again. I was unaware that pharmies are so cheap here in Canada (but dont think im not grateful!), so I thought that Id let negrogesic know how much these things usually go for in my area before I let him spend another 120 on only 5 pills. God people, I think that some of you seriously need to do a shot and chill the hell out...