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Opioids 4000 mg of neurontin, 2500 mg of tramadol, 20 mg of suboxone, and 1 mg of xanax

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I won't have money for two weeks. How do I make this work? For background my habit is about 6 30s or a gram of dope a day. Probably more but I can make it through based on that. Please give advice. Thank you.

Oh and I picked opiates as the prefix because that's what I'm addicted to.
 
Firstly, what is your tolerance? Maybe you could just space out that 20mg of Suboxone and leave all the other stuff you mentioned. Sure, 20mg isn't enough for a full taper-down schedule but buprenorphine withdrawal is always better than heroin's or morphine's.
 
Start with the bupe and take a minimum doses spread as far apart as possible just to keep you from being sick until you run out. Then (if you don't have any more money yet) switch over to the tramadol and split it evenly over the remaining days to payday.

Note that the rest of the stuff won't help with prevent withdrawal just at treating any symptoms and could be taken with the tramadol if it's not enough to hold you and you start getting withdrawal symptoms near the end. You don't want to mix the bupe and tramadol as although tramadol is one of the more effective at adding painkilling ontop of bupe, it will still likely be wasting some at the mu receptors.
 
adder - I state my tolerance in the OP, it's about a gram of dope a day, or 5-6 30s.

amapola - so johnnies are worthless?


Oh and how much tramadol should I dose with, and how many times a day?
 
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I can't speak to the neurontin b/c never tried it, but if you're avg daily dose is around 180mg of oxy, 2-4mg's of Bupe per day MIGHT be enough. (And if you think it will be enough it very well may, use the power of placebo to your advantage....) Normally, when people start Bupe w/ that kind of habit, they'll be put on 8mg's / day, divided into two 4mg doses. But start small w/ the Bupe initially, and work up in small increments only if absolutely necessary until you're ok. And if the 2-4mg's isn't cutting it, take up to 6-8mg's ur first day b/c that's when you'll need it the most, after 3 days, if you have about 10mgs of Bupe left, you will be OK doing 2mg's a day---you won't be great but this will let you stretch out your Bupe and it will be enough to handle the worst of your W/D's. (And I mean your first day on Bupe, NOT your first day sober....read below)
Also I'm sure you know to take the Bupe as far into your initial w/d period as possible so that: 1) you won't go into precipitated w/d, and 2) so that you can start at a lower dose and thus maximize the amount of days you get out of your 20mg's of Bupe.
The xanax will be helpful, but 1mg doesn't give you a lot of options, I'd say either take it when your w/d'ing before you start the Bupe to make that period easier, or before you go to bed the first night you start the Bupe, those will be the most difficult times and the xanax will help you sleep and calm your muscles, maybe even split it into two days if 0.5mg is enough for you (Neurontin may be helpful for these symptoms I just really don't know)
The tramadol will help, take it when you've finished your bupe, or b/c you have a lot, you can even take it w/ the Bupe when you begin to run out and are chipping away at Bupe pills.
Lastly, if you can buy Immodium, DO IT! I didn't believe it would work, was in a similar situation, and at high enough doses it actually freakin works, go figure. Also if you have a CC, order some poppy pods or Kratom, and good luck
 
If i were you i would try to space that suboxone out as much as possible. As for the xanax i would just take as much of it as it takes to get you to sleep for the first few nights, that's the worst part of withdrawals! For the other stuff you may just want to take a little at a time and see if it makes you feel any better at all. That tramadol will probably help you sleep too!
 
Yeah just as a side note, IDK if you've taken Bupe before or not, but here's a few things you should know:

1) Its very potent! Just a few mg's a day is enough to keep the withdrawals away even for someone with a multi-year long, 200mg+ oxy addiction. So 1-2mg's per day may even be enough for you--enough meaning that you won't feel miserable for the next two weeks. Its so potent that in other countries they prescribe it in 0.2mg, and 0.4mg doses under the brand name "Temagesic" (sic?) (I may be wrong about those dosages, it may be 0.2mg and 0.6 or 0.8mg instead, but either way I DO know it is less than 1mg per dose in those places!)
Personally, when I came off a 800mg-1,000mg (A.K.A : 1 gram) a day oxycodone habit, I only needed 16mg's per day for the first week and then 8mg's in two 4mg doses after the first 7 days. So unless you've been taking 180mg's for the better part of a decade, 1-3mg's is really all you will probably need, but everyone is different. Nonetheless b/c it is so potent and you have a limited supply, I strongly recommend you start very small, and take an additional dose or two an hour after your first dose only if you are experiencing w/d symptoms and you absolutely need more Bupe, and those additional doses should also be very small. (Just make sure if you do feel w/d symptoms after your first Bupe dose that they are not the result of precipitated w/d, b/c taking more Bupe in that case will only make u feel worse)

2) Snorting Bupe is more effective than sublingual ROA. So if you snort, snort very small thin lines so that none is caked up and wasted (I.e. Not absorbed)

3) If you do take it SL, don't move your tongue or break the pill into powder, leave the chunk undisturbed for as long as possible. And even once dissolved, swoosh the spit/Bupe mixture around your mouth for another 10-15mins just to make sure, and then swallow it all
 
I'm familiar with bupe, and will use that for the first couple of days I guess. I can get 3 days from 20mg. I just have never used Tramadol or Neruontin before. Maybe I should just post a thread about tramadol.
 
Nah you can find everything you need to know about tramadol, tramadol+Bupe combos, and tramadol use for w/d symptoms really easy with the search engine, there's tons of relevant threads on all those topics. BUT, just for convenience, ill say this:

1) DON'T take more than 100mg of tramadol at a time, and DON'T take more than 400mgs in 24 hours (to be safe really don't take more than 200mg in 24 hours, there's a real risk of having a seizure above these doses)

2) There's lots of hype about tramadol, its one of those drugs that just has very different effects on different people for a whole host of reasons. Why this is so doesn't matter, just find out what it does for you with a small trial dose taken when you're relatively sober so that you can judge its effects/potency for yourself.

3) People claim it is one of the few if not possibly only "opiate" that is not blocked by Bupe, or @least not blocked significantly. IME, I did feel its effects while on Bupe, I took it w/ the Bupe from day 1 after going on a "vacation" from my years of taking Bupe daily. I found it to help with getting to sleep and alleviating the lethargy I felt when back on Bupe.

So since you could be taking about 300mg daily for your entire 2 week period, I'd say to take it an hour after you first take your Bupe, at a small "tester" dose, and see how you feel. Also Precip.w/d isn't an issue with this drug
 
Well that's great, I literally just ate 400mg in one swallow. Swell. But I ate a nerountin so maybe I won't have a seizure. I'll let you know if I don't die. I am happy to find it doesn't have its affects tampered with by bupe. Today I did my last 3 30mg oxy codones... so tomorrow I'll take 2mg of bupe in the morning and 2 50mg tramadol (if I make it through tonight haha.) I appreciate the advice and help. Truly.
 
I made it through the night fine. Didn't feel anything. Today is the first day without full opiates, abo0ut to take 2mg of subs, and 200mg tram. Maybe a nerountin? Has anyone taken johnnies as part of withdrawal management?
 
start with just the 2mg of sub, snorted. I'd skip the tramadol unless the bupe doesn't hold you well enough.

also, 400mg of tramadol isn't as dangerous as it's being made to sound here. in my years of abusing every narcotic I could get my hands on I took well over 400mg in a day, up to 800-1000mg in a 24 hour period.... just saying, its not 100% safe, but it's not a guaranteed seizure either.

I don't know what johnnies are, I assume that's some slang for neurontin, which I have no experience with at all so I'll just leave it at that.
 
Yeah johnnies are neurontins. I started with 2mg bupe and it doesn't really do enough. I mean I'm not dying but I'm not "ok" either. Sadly 100mg of tramdaol did nothing either, so I threw in .2mg of clonidine and at least the shivers went away.

Still wondering about where nerountins come in.
 
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Ok... so tramadol can't work with bupe? I thought that's what made them good? I'm getting conflicting answers on this. I took 2mg + 100mg of bupe and tram respectively a few hours ago and I'm doing ok. Are you suggesting I'd feel better without the bupe or without the tramadol? Or just that tramadol is less effective? I rather have some effects than none I guess....
 
I've got (had) a really high (no pun intended) tolerance for tramadol. I took it after methadone (long) and suboxone (shorter, thank God) treatment to get off of opiates. Going back to my old thinking that if one or two 50mg IR or the 100mg (It think, might be 60) Extended Release by crushing was good, many more would be better, like my old days of Oxy, hydro, etc. Started tramadol and it did make me feel a little like I did in the opiate days but more motivated, almost like adders. But, after first 600mg tramadol dose--seizure 1. Then 700mg, when I thought I could handle it, I got through with booze and was ok. 800mg-- seizure 2. Worried about the 800mg paramedic visit, went to 700mg--Seizure 3 (but at least this time one of the paramedics was my cousin!
Obviously, listen to other opinions, and you may be right that the gabapentin (neurontiin) will prevent seizing. After all, that's one, it not THE, main reason for Rx'ing the stuff.
But seizing ain't fun; waking up with paramedics looking down at you like you're either dying or an idiot is embarassing (and expensive). I still take the Tram, but for the first time with any drug, except maybe acid ("smilin' cidney"!), I parcel that stuff out so that I don't exceed 400mg/day, sometimes on weekends/beers-500mg/day. But that's just me because, like most of us that enjoy recreational drugs, we push the "experiment" to the edge. To me, I don't want to ever, ever have a seizure again and I wish it on no one. As someone said above, Tram ain't that amazing in the first place and unlike some things-- when you take more, the better effects don't come. With Tram you (I mean me) have seizures without the fun that should have preceded them.
Just my experience with Tramadol. I've taken tons of Neurontin with mixed and minimal effects. Never took 'em together with bupe or Tram. Its just my humble opinion-- that can be contradicted by anyone with experience--that 2500mg. of Tram should kill an average sized human bean. And, we need more beans.
 
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Ok... so tramadol can't work with bupe? I thought that's what made them good? I'm getting conflicting answers on this. I took 2mg + 100mg of bupe and tram respectively a few hours ago and I'm doing ok. Are you suggesting I'd feel better without the bupe or without the tramadol? Or just that tramadol is less effective? I rather have some effects than none I guess....
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Bupe is very strong and will block other opiates from acting at the opioid receptors. Taking most opiates with bupe is useless since they only act at the opioid receptor and will therefore be blocked by the bupe. Tramadol is known as one of the few opiates which does work with bupe because it works in ways besides just the opioid receptors. If you are looking to prevent withdrawal for as long as possible you are wasting some of the tramadol opioid action by mixing it with the bupe though. Take it separately and you will get more bang for you buck with it because you won't have to worry about the bupe blocking any amount of it's action.

On a separate note bupe has a long half life so taking it daily will build up to a higher level in your system. If 2mg didn't hold you well on the first day you may find that after a few days of dosing at that level it does just fine so don't suddenly jump up to a higher dosage.
 
Ok I fucked up tonight, got a gram cuffed. I suck. Anyway, now I have 2300mg of Tramadol (after a new count, I had missed some earlier), 9800 mg of neurontin, and now only 6 miligrams of Suboxone and still the 1mg of clonidine. I also have 2.8 mg of clonidine in .1mg pills.

I might be able to stretch the suboxone out into two days. If I do that I'll have to waste some tramadol on top of them to try to dull the sickness I'll feel on 3mg of bupe. So I'm thinking 200mg twice tomorrow and Saturday. I'll also take two .1mg a day of clonidine each of those days, and 400mg of neurontin twice each day. That covers tomorrow and Saturday. Starting Sunday I'll have no bupe... and I'm very fucked as a result. What do you experts think of my plan for the next two days? Opinions please.

When I have no bupe, what should I take out of the medicines I have? Oh shit, I almost forgot. I also have 160mg of dicyclomine (I.C. Bentyl) in 10mg capsules. So that will definitely be for Sunday, maybe even Saturday night. So, help me out please! I appreciate it a lot. For the record I gave a friend a ride to the clinic this morning and he paid me with a 30mg roxicodone and I started getting sick 3 hours later but I was anxious about taking a bupe so I ended up going and getting the gram cuffed. I fucking hate myself. I'd really appreciate your opinions and advice on the new plan. Please.
 
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