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4-Meo-PCP - Known Data/Research on Risks?

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daytripper10

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Hi all,

A friend of mine has had some incredibly therapeutic and beautiful experiences while experimenting with this RC. From this point of view 4-meo-pcp could be seen as being good for her (mental) health.

However I don't think she quite understood how new this chemical is to recreational use. Does anyone have any information on whether 4-meo-pcp has any nasty side effects or long term effects she should know about? There seems precious little information online.

It's slightly concerning that a 400mg oral/rectal dose can still give a sparkly 'afterglow', impair motor abilities, and often prevent one from sleeping over 24 hours later.

Thanks!
 
PCP itself is notoriously neurotoxic, it is likely that such a similar compound will cause similar damage.
 
400mg sounds really high for... well anything, really! I could not really find much useful dosing info anywhere... only 1 trip report at erowid, lots of BS about DXM and combos and doing it IM etc etc in the B&D thread here but hardly any straightforward discussion of just a basic oral dose of 4-meo-pcp on its own. WTF is up with that???

I know as PCP it's not a tryptamine, but most tryptamines are VERY active in the 15-30mg range. I cannot imagine doing 400mg of this stuff, HOLY COW be careful!!!

And at that dose your only gonna get like 4 uses from what is likely a very expensive gram, so geez, I dunno.
 
400mg sounds really high for... well anything, really!
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That's just not true. That's a typical mescaline dose, and is lower than a typical dose of GHB, pregabalin, ethyl alcohol...I could go on. You can't just say "that's too much", different substances have wildly different dosage ranges.

I know as PCP it's not a tryptamine
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Right. Which is why:
most tryptamines are VERY active in the 15-30mg range
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Is totally irrelevant.
 
The amount/dosage of any chemical has nothing to do with being toxic. U would need a similar if not higher dose of ketamine to get high. You ingest pounds of chemicals everyday. Totally irrevevant>i 2nd that
 
And at that dose your only gonna get like 4 uses from what is likely a very expensive gram, so geez, I dunno.
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Just noticed this...only a Mary Poppins gram could yield 4x400mg doses.
 
Yerg said:
Just noticed this...only a Mary Poppins gram could yield 4x400mg doses.
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Ooops, yea, shoulda said 2.5 doses. I'm not that bad at math, just a hasty writer.

As to the dosage comments, jeez guys, don't have a cow, I was mainly just saying I've not seen much in the way of dosage guides anywhere, and for the person gonna do 400mg to consider carefully and be cautious. Self-interest: what I have heard sounds interesting and I hope no one ends up in hospital or jail due to OD, increasing LE scrutiny and reducing availability.
 
400 mg in my experience with this chemical (which involves only a handful of experiences) is a lot. My most powerful experience that involved a k-hole like space came as a result of ingesting 315 mg orally, which I definitely puked part up after smoking some weed and kicking the high in big time. It lasted about 12 hours for the bulk of the experience, and the afterglow carried over well into the next day, and even a bit into the day after that. I actually felt the afterglow was one of the most beneficial aspects of the whole experience. It acted wonderfully as an antidepressant of sorts, leaving me feeling centered and well for the following several days.
 
regular pcp has that same afterglow, last for days. it seems like a miracle drug. But i also get extreme horniness which can be quite debilitating. Sometimes it get way outta hand. I can get real manic, a bit too honest with people who might not really want me to be so open with them, sorta like MDMA but completely it's own thing. Rather than gushing with love, it's more like extreme confidence that borders on psychosis lol
 
Well, if you start at the lower end (~50mg) and double the amount you take on subsequent trials until you achieve the kind of effects you desire you won't waste more than a single dose.
 
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^Why I questioned why the OP thinks its some sort of toxic effect. For all they know 4-MeO-PCP creates another active chemical that takes its place after the actual 4-MeO experience is over(probably not true though).
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I've read a bunch of articles recently on studies claiming ketamine helps repair areas of the brains and restore synaptic communication in areas that had sorta become deadzones, dramatically reducing depression and suicidal thoughts in people. I had this experience with DXM, and more recently the 4-MeO-PCP experience has had a very positive, and drastic for the few days following, reversal of depressive thoughts and the pains and aches that your body gets that goes along with that. I think that dissociative in general have this ability, at least those 3 do in my personal experience.
 
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regular pcp has that same afterglow, last for days. it seems like a miracle drug. But i also get extreme horniness which can be quite debilitating. Sometimes it get way outta hand. I can get real manic, a bit too honest with people who might not really want me to be so open with them, sorta like MDMA but completely it's own thing. Rather than gushing with love, it's more like extreme confidence that borders on psychosis lol
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3-MeO-PCP also has this trait in bucketloads. Seems to be a PCP thang whichever form it comes in. As for the size of some of the dosages being discussed, wasn't a (fairly) recent batch of 4-MeO-PCP tested at only 40% or thereabouts? I've seen people putting an active oral dose at anything from 50mg up to around a gram. Purity seems to be a bit of an issue to me which I would consider a risk - exactly what was the other 60% made up of?
 
According to another thread here on BL, 4-MeO-PCP is a known metabolite of PCP. PCP is known to be quite neurotoxic, so I would proceed with extreme caution developing a habit of 4-MeO-PCP use.
 
Whew only just saw all the responses to my post.

Not being a chemist, when one says 'neurotoxic' - what exactly does that mean? I mean of course it sounds bad but what are the effects of PCP's neurotoxicity on the brain for example?

Because like several others have mentioned above, my friend's found amazing beneficial side effects in the days after. The fact that things are still visually 'twinkling' however, made me think that it's still the 4-meo-pcp at work, not some knock-on side effect as suggested earlier.

I've read some of those ketamine studies too, and that's probably relevant to the positive effects of 4-meo-pcp.

I suppose it's not something you want to do too regularly, but how regularly is too regularly?

Dosage-wise - my friend had a pre-existing high tolerance for ketamine - her boyfriend did 250mg and got the same effect as her 400mg.
 
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