WARNING: There have been batches of 4-Meo-PCP around with varying degrees of purity! There was one batch in particular that consisted of 65% impurities (PCC mostly, deadly stuff in large doses). IF I had that particular batch, which I really cannot say, the dosage comes out as a measely 84mg. My powder was white, contained some easily crushable rocks and was insoluble in water. "4-Meo-PCP" was printed onto the plastic baggy in a fancy font (WordArt ?).
Hey everybody! When I researched the substance I found little reliable information about it, despite this one possibly being the most fascinating dissociative I have tried. I am not a big fan of those big and dandy threads where a lot of people are talking out of their asses and reported dosages often vary from 'most definitely inactive' to 'will kill an elephant'. I'll try to keep this brief and will assume the reader has some prior experiences with Ketamine.
My prior experiences with dissociatives are:
-DXM, never more than 1g, lots of experience with it in sub-psychedelic dosage levels
-PCP, had a period of 4 months daily use with that one
-Ketamine for the past 9 years, never more than once or twice a week. These last few years just a couple times per year.
-MXE at dosages up to 200mg rectal in desperate attempts to hole on it (failure, I hate the stuff)
-Some PCP derivatives not worth mentioning, couple of full blown Salvia and Salvinorin A trips and ofc N2O
Timeline
T-22:00 (40mg Quetiapine which could possibly still linger on to the next day and reduce the effects of the 4-MeO-PCP. I am Bipolar Type I, but not on any other psychopharmaceuticals atm)
I started with allergy/hypersensitivity tests around 2pm:
T-2:00 70-130ug of powder weighed out, stuck to my wet finger and smeared onto my tongue
T-1:00 Suspended 5mg in tap water, administered it rectally
T+0:00 Suspended the rest of the substance (240mg) in 2ml tap water and squirted it up my stinker. There was a slight burning sensation which subsided quickly. There was no urge to defecate which I often have to deal with when administering other substances by this route. Overall, this went very smooth!
T+0:10 Threshold effects felt
T+2:30 Somewhere around this time the peak must've occured
T+5:00 Both eyes' visions are almost synchronized again, I don't have to shut one eye anymore in order not to have double vision. Very slight double vision noted on and off for another 10h or so.
T+22:00 Sleep came, after I had smoked about a thousand joints of Amnesia Haze which seemed to have hardly any effect on me whatsoever. This is very different when I do ketamine and I attribute this to the former substance's SERT, NET and DAT affinity.
Qualitative commentary
I'd love to say "This is the works. Finally there's a full blown dissociative available on the rc market that holds up to the high expectations one has when being familiar with PCP and Ketamine". I can't quite do so though, because I did not hole. Neither did I feel on the verge of holing. All the effects I get on sub-hole ketamine dosages were there though. The sound distortion/augmentation, the body feel, the very characteristic feeling I always get in my mouth while on ketamine.
During the first two hours I was optimistic I'd be heading for a hole, but I never got there.
There wasn't much in terms of confusion either. In fact there was a perceived heightened mental clarity on this. I wrote a few sms during the first hours and they all were perfectly coherent.
Coordination was impaired, I'd say less so than on a dosage of ketamine that makes me feel similarly dissociated, but moreso than on such a dosage of PCP.
The body feeling was actually far superior to the one Ketamine supplies. Absolutely orgasmic. A+++. Maintaining an erection (compulsive masturbator here lol) was very tough, eventhough I'd imagine sex on this to be something else!! I think at this dosage level it'd be absolutely fantastic for laid back social scenarios. A cuddle puddle of 3-5 people would probably prove to be a unique experience for everyone involved (something that I've always loved when coming off ketamine).
Appetite was of course suppressed, but I munched out on some Ice Cream during the second half of the trip.
You won't get around skipping a night of sleep on this one. I'd recommend taking it around 6pm or so, so you can go to sleep at the same time the next day and get a few hours extra out of the night in order to rise fully refreshed in the morning hours.
I would absolutely loooove to hole on this one. It seems very very promising. Next time I'll make sure to have 1g at hand and will administer 200mg initially, followed by whatever necessary to lift me off the ground around 2h later, once I can judge the strength of the material (keep in mind I might have just had the 35% stuff!!). If the batch I receive next is about the same strength of this one, I expect to be sucked down into the hole at 400-600mg rectally. This could be equals 400-600mg if I had relatively pure material, but as little as 140-210mg if I had the 65% PCC / 35% 4-MeO-PCP stuff. Be safe people!
The afterglow is worth mentioning as well. I did not wake up with a rock hard erection and the will to fuck the world as I used to do after a day of PCP use. If I hadn't smoked so much pot, I would've probably woken up manic as shit or could've not gone to bad at all. This stuff will possibly induce (hypo)mania if you are bipolar, so keep your neuroleptics at hand or skip it altogether.
It did induce quite some change, as pcp and ketamine have done before (pcp>dxm>k). It might very well tear you right out of a major depressive episode and I've recommended both (single administration!) ketamine and pcp use for this very purpose many times to other people, all of whom observed said antidepressant activity which is by now well documented in literature for both DXM and Ketamine.
In this case I decided against following the criminal path I was heading down as of late (which caused me to say "no" to an offer of a very very large sum of money, which could've lasted the next 10 years). I also decided it would be a wise idea to go without drugs altogether for a little while. I immediately interrupted my daily caffeine, amphetamine and pot habit without any signs of withdrawals, which means I'm only on Quetiapine (a fantastic substance btw) and tobacco now. Let's see how long I can keep this up!
Btw in case anyone cares to know, these 20+ hours were kind of a waste, since I could neither enjoy internal processes as much as I would during a hole, nor could I be very productive since I had some double vision and motor skill impairment. I ended up watching all of the 3 seasons of Southland LOL and some other stuff I think. Movies I've previously watched on PCP have always stuck to me for many many years to come. It almost feels as if you were right there inside the movie.
Otherwise, a pretty lame and unproductive thing to do, but just right for this occasion.
Hope this was informative. Be safe!
Hey everybody! When I researched the substance I found little reliable information about it, despite this one possibly being the most fascinating dissociative I have tried. I am not a big fan of those big and dandy threads where a lot of people are talking out of their asses and reported dosages often vary from 'most definitely inactive' to 'will kill an elephant'. I'll try to keep this brief and will assume the reader has some prior experiences with Ketamine.
My prior experiences with dissociatives are:
-DXM, never more than 1g, lots of experience with it in sub-psychedelic dosage levels
-PCP, had a period of 4 months daily use with that one
-Ketamine for the past 9 years, never more than once or twice a week. These last few years just a couple times per year.
-MXE at dosages up to 200mg rectal in desperate attempts to hole on it (failure, I hate the stuff)
-Some PCP derivatives not worth mentioning, couple of full blown Salvia and Salvinorin A trips and ofc N2O
Timeline
T-22:00 (40mg Quetiapine which could possibly still linger on to the next day and reduce the effects of the 4-MeO-PCP. I am Bipolar Type I, but not on any other psychopharmaceuticals atm)
I started with allergy/hypersensitivity tests around 2pm:
T-2:00 70-130ug of powder weighed out, stuck to my wet finger and smeared onto my tongue
T-1:00 Suspended 5mg in tap water, administered it rectally
T+0:00 Suspended the rest of the substance (240mg) in 2ml tap water and squirted it up my stinker. There was a slight burning sensation which subsided quickly. There was no urge to defecate which I often have to deal with when administering other substances by this route. Overall, this went very smooth!
T+0:10 Threshold effects felt
T+2:30 Somewhere around this time the peak must've occured
T+5:00 Both eyes' visions are almost synchronized again, I don't have to shut one eye anymore in order not to have double vision. Very slight double vision noted on and off for another 10h or so.
T+22:00 Sleep came, after I had smoked about a thousand joints of Amnesia Haze which seemed to have hardly any effect on me whatsoever. This is very different when I do ketamine and I attribute this to the former substance's SERT, NET and DAT affinity.
Qualitative commentary
I'd love to say "This is the works. Finally there's a full blown dissociative available on the rc market that holds up to the high expectations one has when being familiar with PCP and Ketamine". I can't quite do so though, because I did not hole. Neither did I feel on the verge of holing. All the effects I get on sub-hole ketamine dosages were there though. The sound distortion/augmentation, the body feel, the very characteristic feeling I always get in my mouth while on ketamine.
During the first two hours I was optimistic I'd be heading for a hole, but I never got there.
There wasn't much in terms of confusion either. In fact there was a perceived heightened mental clarity on this. I wrote a few sms during the first hours and they all were perfectly coherent.
Coordination was impaired, I'd say less so than on a dosage of ketamine that makes me feel similarly dissociated, but moreso than on such a dosage of PCP.
The body feeling was actually far superior to the one Ketamine supplies. Absolutely orgasmic. A+++. Maintaining an erection (compulsive masturbator here lol) was very tough, eventhough I'd imagine sex on this to be something else!! I think at this dosage level it'd be absolutely fantastic for laid back social scenarios. A cuddle puddle of 3-5 people would probably prove to be a unique experience for everyone involved (something that I've always loved when coming off ketamine).
Appetite was of course suppressed, but I munched out on some Ice Cream during the second half of the trip.
You won't get around skipping a night of sleep on this one. I'd recommend taking it around 6pm or so, so you can go to sleep at the same time the next day and get a few hours extra out of the night in order to rise fully refreshed in the morning hours.
I would absolutely loooove to hole on this one. It seems very very promising. Next time I'll make sure to have 1g at hand and will administer 200mg initially, followed by whatever necessary to lift me off the ground around 2h later, once I can judge the strength of the material (keep in mind I might have just had the 35% stuff!!). If the batch I receive next is about the same strength of this one, I expect to be sucked down into the hole at 400-600mg rectally. This could be equals 400-600mg if I had relatively pure material, but as little as 140-210mg if I had the 65% PCC / 35% 4-MeO-PCP stuff. Be safe people!
The afterglow is worth mentioning as well. I did not wake up with a rock hard erection and the will to fuck the world as I used to do after a day of PCP use. If I hadn't smoked so much pot, I would've probably woken up manic as shit or could've not gone to bad at all. This stuff will possibly induce (hypo)mania if you are bipolar, so keep your neuroleptics at hand or skip it altogether.
It did induce quite some change, as pcp and ketamine have done before (pcp>dxm>k). It might very well tear you right out of a major depressive episode and I've recommended both (single administration!) ketamine and pcp use for this very purpose many times to other people, all of whom observed said antidepressant activity which is by now well documented in literature for both DXM and Ketamine.
In this case I decided against following the criminal path I was heading down as of late (which caused me to say "no" to an offer of a very very large sum of money, which could've lasted the next 10 years). I also decided it would be a wise idea to go without drugs altogether for a little while. I immediately interrupted my daily caffeine, amphetamine and pot habit without any signs of withdrawals, which means I'm only on Quetiapine (a fantastic substance btw) and tobacco now. Let's see how long I can keep this up!
Btw in case anyone cares to know, these 20+ hours were kind of a waste, since I could neither enjoy internal processes as much as I would during a hole, nor could I be very productive since I had some double vision and motor skill impairment. I ended up watching all of the 3 seasons of Southland LOL and some other stuff I think. Movies I've previously watched on PCP have always stuck to me for many many years to come. It almost feels as if you were right there inside the movie.
Otherwise, a pretty lame and unproductive thing to do, but just right for this occasion.Hope this was informative. Be safe!
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