georgiapoppy
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4-OH-MiPT - Second Time - More Intense than Expected
This will be my second experience with this compound. My first experience, one week ago today was at a dose of 20mg. Since it was my first experience, it was hard to completely judge the character of this compound, but it had a similar feel to 4-AcO-MiPT with the exception that it was noticeably more potent. The 20mg trip of the 4-OH seemed a bit more intense than a 30mg 4-AcO trip. The first taste of this compound was extremely pleasant and left me excited to start to taste the compound at higher doses.
I am not advocating or recommending specific doses of this compound and certainly not suggesting anybody else start with a 20mg+ dose for a first try of this compound. Although my first taste was a very nice experience with little body load, it was certainly not tame by any means. 20mg will probably be a bit intense for some people. I am somewhat hard-headed with many of these compounds and that is why I started my research with this compound at 20mg. In retrospect, I should have started lower and worked my way up. However for a second taste, I am ready to increase the dose to 26mg.
At exactly 11:45am I took a capsule containing 26mg of 4-OH-MiPT. The off-white powder was carefully weighed and re-weighed for accuracy on a Tanita 1210-100 scale using the empty capsule as a tare. My stomach was completely empty as I hadn't eaten since the previous evening at around 7:30pm. The capsule had been weighed out 3-4 days ago and stored in a pill bottle in my desk drawer. Even after sitting several days like this, the contents of the capsule showed no hygroscopic character as seen with the 4-AcO.
12:05pm - Notice the first alerts. A slight warm glow coming on in my face, making it feel slightly flushed. A little energy starting to build as well. Other than that, nothing significant at this point.
12:10pm - Just sitting in front of my computer sipping Coke. Already can feel it starting to build. Energy is getting stronger. This is similar to last time where it takes about 20mins or so to start noticing, but then after that, begins to build rapidly.
12:15pm - Staring to come up more and more quickly, even just as short amounts of time pass. Already starting to notice very slight visual effects. Tracers are very noticeable and everything is starting to show a slight amount of motion. Only at 30mins at this point and it's building rapidy, even as I try to type this. Can feel the energy and the visual changes starting to become stonger. If this is like the first time I tasted this compound where it doesn't peak until well after the one hour mark, this is going to be a hell of a trip if it keeps building at this rate.
12:20pm - Taking much longer to form thought processes compared to baseline. That previous paragraph took me an entire 5 mins to type and that's pretty bad for me. My hands are a little shaky from the energy that's building, but it's not unusual for me when taking tryptamines. There is nothing uncomfortable about the energy though. I've noticed my typical yawns, as well.
12:30pm - Continuing to build very rapidly. I'm starting to realize that I'm in for one hell of a trip. It's getting more and more tedious to try to sit here and type. Going to take a break for a few mins.
12:45pm - All I can say is Holy Shit! It's getting very hard to even type at this point. My hands are a bit unsteady, but I'm incredibly fucked up. I can still make out words on the monitor as I type, but I have to focus to do so. Every movement has solid tracers. The ceiling is breathing and moving somewhat, but the visuals are more than just that. They are very encompassing. I put on Syd Barrett's 'The Madcap Laughs' CD. Haven't listened to it for probably 10 years, but for some reason it sounded perfect. Music is very intense and I couldn't imagine not having it. The mental effects of a good trip are definitely starting to settle in too. Felling guilty about what I need to get done, etc.
1:00pm - The music is very intense. Pretty much seems to be driving the experience at this point. I'm getting so wrapped up in it that it's a lot of effort to type. Shit. I still don't think it's peaked. Got to get away from my computer for a few minutes. This stuff is really strong.
1:15pm - Trying to type this right now is not worth what it takes away from the experience. I believe I've reached the peak at this point. The music is fucking me up really bad. I can't believe it's been so long since I listed to this.
1:25pm - Easy to lose time right now. Just listening to the music and allow myself to just be taken in. It's extremely intense but at the same time I think I'd freak if I didn't have the music to occupy me right now. I just can't imagine the quiet for too long.
1:30pm - Have to switch CDs. Put in my other Syd Barrett Cd since the first one went so well. All I can do when I listen to the music is think what a genius. It's so perfect right now. Mind is traveling with the music again. Damn, maybe I haven't peaked yet. This is so much more intense than at 20mg. I don't know that I'll dose higher than 26mg on this substance. At least at this point.
1:40pm - Can't believe I don't have more to say, but on the other hand I'm just being sucked in by the music and letting it take over. Nice.... Again I'm really surprised how much of a different just 6mg made. The mental intensity of the trip is much stronger at this dose. The difference in the trip is just night and day by taking an extra few milligrams.
1:45pm - Just tried checking out my CEVs for the first time and it's just in-fucking-credibile. The music drives the show. Almost feels as if I am seeing through my eyelids at times. Every time I start to think I am starting to get a grasp on the intensity of the trip, it gets the best of me. It's definitely had to peak by now (if not long ago) but there's something about the intensity that keeps letting me know it's there.
2:00pm - Damn. Just lost another 10 mins. Everything I see with my eyes closed is just tracts of color. Although very strong, I think the intensity is starting to level out a bit. Have to admit I'm a bit glad it seems to be tapering off. This stuff has definitely given me a well-needed ass kicking at this dose.
2:10pm - Mental intensity definitely tapered off to a more comfortable level. Just changed CDs again. This time to Pink Floyd's Animals. Typing is much easier than it was just 30 minutes ago. It's making up my mind what to type that takes time. Mind is just racing in so many directions right now.
2:15pm - Have to say it again. This is NOTHING like the 20mg trip. This one seems much more 'serious' in nature whereas last time (20mg) was purely recreational. The 'head trip' character of this material certainly begins to manifest itself at higher doses.
2:20pm - Really messed up to say the least. Music is a REQUIREMENT with tasting this compound. Still just find myself speechless as my mind goes in infinite directions with the music.
2:25pm - Note about previous statement regarding this compound. I still don't find anything particularly dark about it, but at this dose it can start to be a mentally difficult compound to manage. Personally, I didn't notice this difficulty at 20mg. Dark not at all. Difficulty is dose dependent and also on the individual's ability to cope.
2:30pm - Mental difficulty seems to be tapering off in intensity very rapidly. Feel more relaxed mentally. OEVs still very strong. Everything kind of shifting in patterns with the music.
2:40pm - Visuals are still more intense than they were on the 20mg dose, but the trip now has a much more recreational feel to it as compared to an hour ago. I feel like I can start to gather my thoughts somewhat apart from the trip, but it seems to detract from the experience having to do so. It feels better just to let my mind wander.
2:50pm - Starting to get restless with sitting in front of the computer again. Of course it will only take one lap around the house and I'll be back, but I have to satisfy the urge to get up and walk.
3:10pm - Back from my little adventure. I got intercepted by a few of my cats along the way. There's no way I can't stop to pay them attention when I'm tripping and they seem to know that. It again amazes me how long it can sometimes take to do something when tripping. About two minutes to swap CDs again. This time I put in CSN&Y's 'So Far'. My selection in the office is somewhat limited and I didn't feel like another 10min expedition to find a different CD. I really like this CD though.
3:20pm - Although visuals are still extremely prominent, the trip has obviously been on it's decline for a bit. It still never ceases to amaze me how far off baseline I can still be during the decline of a trip and I consider it over. That's just not right. Sometimes, it can be the most rewarding part. I feel very relaxed and satisfied. OEVs are still really good right now and CEVs are excellent, it's just the intensity is no longer there. Gentle...
3:30pm - This is a very nice mellow phase of the trip. Just relaxing to the music. Hate to say it, but I'm really starting to crave a beer. Alcohol is so shitty, but for some reason I still use it. I have to learn one of these days. Oh Shit. I know I'll probably get flamed for it, but I just took a big hit of Rush and DAMN! I am still so far from baseline! You know what? I liked this shit when I was in high school, and although I very rarely do it now, I really like it when I do.
3:45pm - At about the four hour point now since dosing. Still far from baseline, but just have a nice mellow feeling and enjoying my tunes still. Still have some OEVs, but not real intense at this point. CEVs are still very nice though. Since the weather is beautiful outside and I'm eager to relax on the patio with a few beers, I think I'm going to summarize and close off this trip report for now.
I'm posting this as is, without re-reading any of the content. Please excuse and spelling or typos you may encounter.
Again, I am VERY pleased with this compound. However, be careful when ramping up the dose of this one. The character of the experience was significantly different than my first time at 20mg. I like intense experiences, and a 20mg dose to me was a very good recreational experience. Again, 20mg will be too intense for some. However, at 26mg, the mental intensity ramped up SIGNIFICANTLY. The compound never showed a dark side for me, but it did start to become difficult to manage mentally. It just got very intense for about an hour or so at peak. Music helped keep my mind occupied during this time period, and I do feel that it would be extremely mentally challenging to go without music through a peak like that. I have quite a bit of past experience and am very strong mentally, but I could see where in higher doses, this compound will get the best of us if we don't treat it with some respect. The character of the trip was drastically altered with just an additional 6mg. Did I say SIGNIFICANTLY and DRASTICALLY yet?
I would like to be able to compare it to 4-AcO-MiPT, but at this dose, I am unable to do so. At 26mg, this was more intense than any of my 4-AcO-MiPT experiences as of yet (up to 40mg). My 20mg trip did seem to show characteristics similar to 4-AcO. However I cannot compare them at this dose. I have not tripped hard enough on 4-Ac-O to be able to compare the two experiences. They may be similar or exactly the same, but I haven't had a dose of 4-AcO that did that to me yet. Maybe over 40mg, the 4-AcO will be similar? Sorry I can't provide for a better comparison of the two.
I would recommend starting low with this one and working your way up a bit more gradually than I did, based on your results. Although it was a very worthwhile experience, the material starts to lose it's recreational character at higher doses. I will definitely be working more with this compound in the 20mg dose range and will certainly try it again at 26mg, but right now, I am definitely not in a big hurry to go any higher with it. I can see low doses of it being fun, but the character of the trip changes to serious very quickly.
This will be my second experience with this compound. My first experience, one week ago today was at a dose of 20mg. Since it was my first experience, it was hard to completely judge the character of this compound, but it had a similar feel to 4-AcO-MiPT with the exception that it was noticeably more potent. The 20mg trip of the 4-OH seemed a bit more intense than a 30mg 4-AcO trip. The first taste of this compound was extremely pleasant and left me excited to start to taste the compound at higher doses.
I am not advocating or recommending specific doses of this compound and certainly not suggesting anybody else start with a 20mg+ dose for a first try of this compound. Although my first taste was a very nice experience with little body load, it was certainly not tame by any means. 20mg will probably be a bit intense for some people. I am somewhat hard-headed with many of these compounds and that is why I started my research with this compound at 20mg. In retrospect, I should have started lower and worked my way up. However for a second taste, I am ready to increase the dose to 26mg.
At exactly 11:45am I took a capsule containing 26mg of 4-OH-MiPT. The off-white powder was carefully weighed and re-weighed for accuracy on a Tanita 1210-100 scale using the empty capsule as a tare. My stomach was completely empty as I hadn't eaten since the previous evening at around 7:30pm. The capsule had been weighed out 3-4 days ago and stored in a pill bottle in my desk drawer. Even after sitting several days like this, the contents of the capsule showed no hygroscopic character as seen with the 4-AcO.
12:05pm - Notice the first alerts. A slight warm glow coming on in my face, making it feel slightly flushed. A little energy starting to build as well. Other than that, nothing significant at this point.
12:10pm - Just sitting in front of my computer sipping Coke. Already can feel it starting to build. Energy is getting stronger. This is similar to last time where it takes about 20mins or so to start noticing, but then after that, begins to build rapidly.
12:15pm - Staring to come up more and more quickly, even just as short amounts of time pass. Already starting to notice very slight visual effects. Tracers are very noticeable and everything is starting to show a slight amount of motion. Only at 30mins at this point and it's building rapidy, even as I try to type this. Can feel the energy and the visual changes starting to become stonger. If this is like the first time I tasted this compound where it doesn't peak until well after the one hour mark, this is going to be a hell of a trip if it keeps building at this rate.
12:20pm - Taking much longer to form thought processes compared to baseline. That previous paragraph took me an entire 5 mins to type and that's pretty bad for me. My hands are a little shaky from the energy that's building, but it's not unusual for me when taking tryptamines. There is nothing uncomfortable about the energy though. I've noticed my typical yawns, as well.
12:30pm - Continuing to build very rapidly. I'm starting to realize that I'm in for one hell of a trip. It's getting more and more tedious to try to sit here and type. Going to take a break for a few mins.
12:45pm - All I can say is Holy Shit! It's getting very hard to even type at this point. My hands are a bit unsteady, but I'm incredibly fucked up. I can still make out words on the monitor as I type, but I have to focus to do so. Every movement has solid tracers. The ceiling is breathing and moving somewhat, but the visuals are more than just that. They are very encompassing. I put on Syd Barrett's 'The Madcap Laughs' CD. Haven't listened to it for probably 10 years, but for some reason it sounded perfect. Music is very intense and I couldn't imagine not having it. The mental effects of a good trip are definitely starting to settle in too. Felling guilty about what I need to get done, etc.
1:00pm - The music is very intense. Pretty much seems to be driving the experience at this point. I'm getting so wrapped up in it that it's a lot of effort to type. Shit. I still don't think it's peaked. Got to get away from my computer for a few minutes. This stuff is really strong.
1:15pm - Trying to type this right now is not worth what it takes away from the experience. I believe I've reached the peak at this point. The music is fucking me up really bad. I can't believe it's been so long since I listed to this.
1:25pm - Easy to lose time right now. Just listening to the music and allow myself to just be taken in. It's extremely intense but at the same time I think I'd freak if I didn't have the music to occupy me right now. I just can't imagine the quiet for too long.
1:30pm - Have to switch CDs. Put in my other Syd Barrett Cd since the first one went so well. All I can do when I listen to the music is think what a genius. It's so perfect right now. Mind is traveling with the music again. Damn, maybe I haven't peaked yet. This is so much more intense than at 20mg. I don't know that I'll dose higher than 26mg on this substance. At least at this point.
1:40pm - Can't believe I don't have more to say, but on the other hand I'm just being sucked in by the music and letting it take over. Nice.... Again I'm really surprised how much of a different just 6mg made. The mental intensity of the trip is much stronger at this dose. The difference in the trip is just night and day by taking an extra few milligrams.
1:45pm - Just tried checking out my CEVs for the first time and it's just in-fucking-credibile. The music drives the show. Almost feels as if I am seeing through my eyelids at times. Every time I start to think I am starting to get a grasp on the intensity of the trip, it gets the best of me. It's definitely had to peak by now (if not long ago) but there's something about the intensity that keeps letting me know it's there.
2:00pm - Damn. Just lost another 10 mins. Everything I see with my eyes closed is just tracts of color. Although very strong, I think the intensity is starting to level out a bit. Have to admit I'm a bit glad it seems to be tapering off. This stuff has definitely given me a well-needed ass kicking at this dose.
2:10pm - Mental intensity definitely tapered off to a more comfortable level. Just changed CDs again. This time to Pink Floyd's Animals. Typing is much easier than it was just 30 minutes ago. It's making up my mind what to type that takes time. Mind is just racing in so many directions right now.
2:15pm - Have to say it again. This is NOTHING like the 20mg trip. This one seems much more 'serious' in nature whereas last time (20mg) was purely recreational. The 'head trip' character of this material certainly begins to manifest itself at higher doses.
2:20pm - Really messed up to say the least. Music is a REQUIREMENT with tasting this compound. Still just find myself speechless as my mind goes in infinite directions with the music.
2:25pm - Note about previous statement regarding this compound. I still don't find anything particularly dark about it, but at this dose it can start to be a mentally difficult compound to manage. Personally, I didn't notice this difficulty at 20mg. Dark not at all. Difficulty is dose dependent and also on the individual's ability to cope.
2:30pm - Mental difficulty seems to be tapering off in intensity very rapidly. Feel more relaxed mentally. OEVs still very strong. Everything kind of shifting in patterns with the music.
2:40pm - Visuals are still more intense than they were on the 20mg dose, but the trip now has a much more recreational feel to it as compared to an hour ago. I feel like I can start to gather my thoughts somewhat apart from the trip, but it seems to detract from the experience having to do so. It feels better just to let my mind wander.
2:50pm - Starting to get restless with sitting in front of the computer again. Of course it will only take one lap around the house and I'll be back, but I have to satisfy the urge to get up and walk.
3:10pm - Back from my little adventure. I got intercepted by a few of my cats along the way. There's no way I can't stop to pay them attention when I'm tripping and they seem to know that. It again amazes me how long it can sometimes take to do something when tripping. About two minutes to swap CDs again. This time I put in CSN&Y's 'So Far'. My selection in the office is somewhat limited and I didn't feel like another 10min expedition to find a different CD. I really like this CD though.
3:20pm - Although visuals are still extremely prominent, the trip has obviously been on it's decline for a bit. It still never ceases to amaze me how far off baseline I can still be during the decline of a trip and I consider it over. That's just not right. Sometimes, it can be the most rewarding part. I feel very relaxed and satisfied. OEVs are still really good right now and CEVs are excellent, it's just the intensity is no longer there. Gentle...
3:30pm - This is a very nice mellow phase of the trip. Just relaxing to the music. Hate to say it, but I'm really starting to crave a beer. Alcohol is so shitty, but for some reason I still use it. I have to learn one of these days. Oh Shit. I know I'll probably get flamed for it, but I just took a big hit of Rush and DAMN! I am still so far from baseline! You know what? I liked this shit when I was in high school, and although I very rarely do it now, I really like it when I do.
3:45pm - At about the four hour point now since dosing. Still far from baseline, but just have a nice mellow feeling and enjoying my tunes still. Still have some OEVs, but not real intense at this point. CEVs are still very nice though. Since the weather is beautiful outside and I'm eager to relax on the patio with a few beers, I think I'm going to summarize and close off this trip report for now.
I'm posting this as is, without re-reading any of the content. Please excuse and spelling or typos you may encounter.
Again, I am VERY pleased with this compound. However, be careful when ramping up the dose of this one. The character of the experience was significantly different than my first time at 20mg. I like intense experiences, and a 20mg dose to me was a very good recreational experience. Again, 20mg will be too intense for some. However, at 26mg, the mental intensity ramped up SIGNIFICANTLY. The compound never showed a dark side for me, but it did start to become difficult to manage mentally. It just got very intense for about an hour or so at peak. Music helped keep my mind occupied during this time period, and I do feel that it would be extremely mentally challenging to go without music through a peak like that. I have quite a bit of past experience and am very strong mentally, but I could see where in higher doses, this compound will get the best of us if we don't treat it with some respect. The character of the trip was drastically altered with just an additional 6mg. Did I say SIGNIFICANTLY and DRASTICALLY yet?
I would like to be able to compare it to 4-AcO-MiPT, but at this dose, I am unable to do so. At 26mg, this was more intense than any of my 4-AcO-MiPT experiences as of yet (up to 40mg). My 20mg trip did seem to show characteristics similar to 4-AcO. However I cannot compare them at this dose. I have not tripped hard enough on 4-Ac-O to be able to compare the two experiences. They may be similar or exactly the same, but I haven't had a dose of 4-AcO that did that to me yet. Maybe over 40mg, the 4-AcO will be similar? Sorry I can't provide for a better comparison of the two.
I would recommend starting low with this one and working your way up a bit more gradually than I did, based on your results. Although it was a very worthwhile experience, the material starts to lose it's recreational character at higher doses. I will definitely be working more with this compound in the 20mg dose range and will certainly try it again at 26mg, but right now, I am definitely not in a big hurry to go any higher with it. I can see low doses of it being fun, but the character of the trip changes to serious very quickly.
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