Report on 4-HO-MET (Metocin) (Fumarate Salt)
Date: May 7, 2011
===Previous Experience===
2C-C, 2C-E, 5-MeO-DALT, bk-MDMA
===Participants/Dosage===
*all participants males between age of 19-21*
Self: 15mg oral solution
K: 20mg oral solution
L: 20mg oral solution
A: 20mg oral solution
N: 20mg oral solution
=== Duration Timeline ===
10:04pm - Drank Solution
10:18pm - First alerts, feeling "slow"
10:18pm - 10:50 - Comeup
7:04am - Noted that a definite comedown had occurred by this time
Total Duration: 9 Hours
===Compound Description===
Compound appeared white, or slightly off-white.
Compound dissolved easily in water
Taste was bitter, but certainly bearable. No worse than 2C-C.
===SET/SETTING===
Trip took place at L's house, inside of a classroom-size "portable" shed behind the house. Portable is furnished nicely with wood paneling, couches, rug, lights, etc. Laptop and speakers were available for music. L's little brother was home in the main house and his mother would arrive home later that night.
===Personal Qualitative Notes===
*All of these notes are written retrospectively*
Major parts of the trip:
10:00 -Dosing
10:20 -Talking, Fast Comeup
10:20 onward -Listening to Black Angels
10:45 -'A' grapples with the purpose of life and walks around outside for awhile
11:20 -Listening to oldschool Supertramp
11:35 -'A' comes back with hysterical revelation about life
11:45 -A couple hits of low grade cannabis are taken from water bong. Little effect is noted by anyone.
11:55 -I explore back of shed and find disco ball. Find it very amusing.
12:10 -Power cable comes unplugged. General chaos ensues in the dark room. Still found situation pretty hysteric, though some of us were worried there might have been an actual power outage. The problem was ridiculously simple, but took us seemingly forever to solve.
12:40 -'A' and 'N' get a ride home
12:50 -'L' invites 'K' and I into the main house at this point. We're past the peak, but just barely. I feel uncomfortable/awkward saying hello to his mom and little brother, and convince 'L' and 'K' that we should stay out in the shed after all. 'L' mentions that his mother is aware and doesn't mind knowing he smokes pot; this is somewhat comforting.
4:30 -'L' feels fine to drive by this point and gives 'K' a ride home. I listen to Beatles in the dark shed with the disco ball making patterns on the ceiling - very euphoric.
6:00 - L comes back and we make a frozen Digorno pizza. Tasted AMAZING.
7:00 - Main effects coming to an end and I remember I need to get home soon.
===Bodyload and After-Effects===
Of all psychedelics, this is without doubt the most physically comfortable one I have taken! No nausea, chills, aches, or uncomfortable stimulation to speak of. Excellent!
During the later part of the trip, approaching the comedown, I did have a rather uncomfortable headache, however I am very sure this was due to having not eaten in over 13 hours. After eating the pizza, the headache went away quickly.
The after-effects were not so much physical or head-space related as they were mental. I found myself sounding awkward in conversation with family the next day. This could be attributed to a lack of sleep, though I doubt sleep-deprivation alone was the cause in this case. I wonder if this after-effect would still be noticable if I had gotten a full night of sleep first.
===Summary===
I would say the descriptions of 4-HO-MET by Shulgin, Erowid, and Bluelight matched perfectly with what I experienced. Thus, I was happy to find that my expectations were met with accuracy in all areas, save for the duration which lasted longer than expected.
All participants felt that 4-HO-MET was more inherently euphoric than other psychedelics. There were many hysterical moments - I don't think I've ever laughed so much on anything.
Negative thought loops were occasionally experienced in response to a couple concerning moments during the trip. Fortunately, these were quite manageable;
the trip wasn't particularly "deep", so it was easy to distract myself. No "jolts" of anxiety were experienced as I would have expected during these moments on 2C-C or 2C-E.
Although there was a lack of depth, 4-HO-MET is still a powerful compound. I would say it is similar to 2C-E as far as power and dose-response curve go, but similar to 2C-C in that there is relatively less headfuck potential.
Visually speaking, 4-HO-MET was distinct from the 2C's. Closed eyed visuals were sharper, but less colorful. No open eyed visuals were as immediately apparent as they are on high doses of 2C's; on these, especially 2C-C, I tend to see movement in the patterns or edges of certain objects. With 4-HO-MET, I eventually found I was able to see things morph for the first time - often into faces (a little creepy, but I didn't seem to mind). This effect was subtle at the 15mg level, and I would expect it to increase with dosage.
*Very* subtle audial hallucinations were noticed. At the peak, I would hear something similar to a motor winding up. I suspect 15mg is the level for me at which this effect begins.
All subjects described 4-HO-MET as "social". We enjoyed each others company and had some very entertaining moments because of this. I noticed a slight empathogenic effect as I reflected and took a moment to appreciate some of the people I know. However, I realized I wasn't able to "feel" the appreciation as fully as I wanted to. I think 4-HO-MET would combine particularly well with an empathogen, especially given its apparent body neutrality.
There was no inherent erotic feel to 4-HO-MET. The concept of trying to have sex on this was hilarious. This is in contrast to my only previous tryptamine experience with 5-MeO-DALT.
Something I thought of near the end of the trip (and currently), is that I may have found a new "beginner's psychedelic". I think users would be more likely to encounter difficult thought loops with this one than 2C-C, but it is worthy contender given its absence of body load. Calls for experimentation in the 5 - 12mg range.
Personally, I feel I should be careful with how frequently I trip on this one (and lately, in general); I believe I would be more prone to a difficult experience if I go into it without the feeling that I have earned it. Additionally, I wonder to what degree 4-HO-MET acts as a serotonin releaser.
Overall, 4-HO-MET rates very highly on my list. A great recreational psychedelic that's easy on the body.
Date: May 7, 2011
===Previous Experience===
2C-C, 2C-E, 5-MeO-DALT, bk-MDMA
===Participants/Dosage===
*all participants males between age of 19-21*
Self: 15mg oral solution
K: 20mg oral solution
L: 20mg oral solution
A: 20mg oral solution
N: 20mg oral solution
=== Duration Timeline ===
10:04pm - Drank Solution
10:18pm - First alerts, feeling "slow"
10:18pm - 10:50 - Comeup
7:04am - Noted that a definite comedown had occurred by this time
Total Duration: 9 Hours
===Compound Description===
Compound appeared white, or slightly off-white.
Compound dissolved easily in water
Taste was bitter, but certainly bearable. No worse than 2C-C.
===SET/SETTING===
Trip took place at L's house, inside of a classroom-size "portable" shed behind the house. Portable is furnished nicely with wood paneling, couches, rug, lights, etc. Laptop and speakers were available for music. L's little brother was home in the main house and his mother would arrive home later that night.
===Personal Qualitative Notes===
*All of these notes are written retrospectively*
Major parts of the trip:
10:00 -Dosing
10:20 -Talking, Fast Comeup
10:20 onward -Listening to Black Angels
10:45 -'A' grapples with the purpose of life and walks around outside for awhile
11:20 -Listening to oldschool Supertramp
11:35 -'A' comes back with hysterical revelation about life
11:45 -A couple hits of low grade cannabis are taken from water bong. Little effect is noted by anyone.
11:55 -I explore back of shed and find disco ball. Find it very amusing.
12:10 -Power cable comes unplugged. General chaos ensues in the dark room. Still found situation pretty hysteric, though some of us were worried there might have been an actual power outage. The problem was ridiculously simple, but took us seemingly forever to solve.
12:40 -'A' and 'N' get a ride home
12:50 -'L' invites 'K' and I into the main house at this point. We're past the peak, but just barely. I feel uncomfortable/awkward saying hello to his mom and little brother, and convince 'L' and 'K' that we should stay out in the shed after all. 'L' mentions that his mother is aware and doesn't mind knowing he smokes pot; this is somewhat comforting.
4:30 -'L' feels fine to drive by this point and gives 'K' a ride home. I listen to Beatles in the dark shed with the disco ball making patterns on the ceiling - very euphoric.
6:00 - L comes back and we make a frozen Digorno pizza. Tasted AMAZING.
7:00 - Main effects coming to an end and I remember I need to get home soon.
===Bodyload and After-Effects===
Of all psychedelics, this is without doubt the most physically comfortable one I have taken! No nausea, chills, aches, or uncomfortable stimulation to speak of. Excellent!
During the later part of the trip, approaching the comedown, I did have a rather uncomfortable headache, however I am very sure this was due to having not eaten in over 13 hours. After eating the pizza, the headache went away quickly.
The after-effects were not so much physical or head-space related as they were mental. I found myself sounding awkward in conversation with family the next day. This could be attributed to a lack of sleep, though I doubt sleep-deprivation alone was the cause in this case. I wonder if this after-effect would still be noticable if I had gotten a full night of sleep first.
===Summary===
I would say the descriptions of 4-HO-MET by Shulgin, Erowid, and Bluelight matched perfectly with what I experienced. Thus, I was happy to find that my expectations were met with accuracy in all areas, save for the duration which lasted longer than expected.
All participants felt that 4-HO-MET was more inherently euphoric than other psychedelics. There were many hysterical moments - I don't think I've ever laughed so much on anything.
Negative thought loops were occasionally experienced in response to a couple concerning moments during the trip. Fortunately, these were quite manageable;
the trip wasn't particularly "deep", so it was easy to distract myself. No "jolts" of anxiety were experienced as I would have expected during these moments on 2C-C or 2C-E.
Although there was a lack of depth, 4-HO-MET is still a powerful compound. I would say it is similar to 2C-E as far as power and dose-response curve go, but similar to 2C-C in that there is relatively less headfuck potential.
Visually speaking, 4-HO-MET was distinct from the 2C's. Closed eyed visuals were sharper, but less colorful. No open eyed visuals were as immediately apparent as they are on high doses of 2C's; on these, especially 2C-C, I tend to see movement in the patterns or edges of certain objects. With 4-HO-MET, I eventually found I was able to see things morph for the first time - often into faces (a little creepy, but I didn't seem to mind). This effect was subtle at the 15mg level, and I would expect it to increase with dosage.
*Very* subtle audial hallucinations were noticed. At the peak, I would hear something similar to a motor winding up. I suspect 15mg is the level for me at which this effect begins.
All subjects described 4-HO-MET as "social". We enjoyed each others company and had some very entertaining moments because of this. I noticed a slight empathogenic effect as I reflected and took a moment to appreciate some of the people I know. However, I realized I wasn't able to "feel" the appreciation as fully as I wanted to. I think 4-HO-MET would combine particularly well with an empathogen, especially given its apparent body neutrality.
There was no inherent erotic feel to 4-HO-MET. The concept of trying to have sex on this was hilarious. This is in contrast to my only previous tryptamine experience with 5-MeO-DALT.
Something I thought of near the end of the trip (and currently), is that I may have found a new "beginner's psychedelic". I think users would be more likely to encounter difficult thought loops with this one than 2C-C, but it is worthy contender given its absence of body load. Calls for experimentation in the 5 - 12mg range.
Personally, I feel I should be careful with how frequently I trip on this one (and lately, in general); I believe I would be more prone to a difficult experience if I go into it without the feeling that I have earned it. Additionally, I wonder to what degree 4-HO-MET acts as a serotonin releaser.
Overall, 4-HO-MET rates very highly on my list. A great recreational psychedelic that's easy on the body.
