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4-HO-DiPT I find very annoying

Thomas Davie

Thomas Davie

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About 5 hours ago I had my 3rd (and probably last) attempt at using this compound. The HCl salt.

7 weeks ago I first tried it at 8.6 mg
7 days ago @ 12.9 mg, and just now at 16.6 mg. Oral, dissolved in water and consumed in a shot of OJ or beer.

Every time I get uncontrollable leg tremors which are amusing or enjoyable for 10 minutes; but after 5 hours if twitching I am physically tired and have a hard time walking. I can only imagine what horrible jaw clenching must be like on some compounds. My appetite was unaffected; perhaps even stimulated a little bit.... But I had to eat lying down because the leg shakes were so bad it was causing my hands to spill and spray food. The dogs found that funny.

Sound was odd; like I was in the middle of a crackling brushfire.

There might be some reward at higher doses; I'm just not interested in pursuing it.

Tom
 
Took some last night with a very good friend...was my 4th go with it overall. 26mg. Trip was very intense for me, experienced a lot of auditory component myself and a general WEIRDNESS about iprocin that I don't remember at all from before...of course last go was back in 2003 so my memory of the details may be patchy.

After all my recent psilocin from the lab experiences, this tryptamine was not as accessable but still very good. What I noticed (as well as my friend) was that it takes some 'work' to make things happen, vs the Universe simply taking you away like with psilocin. When I would 'work' I could reach a 5-MeO-DMT-like void, and then things would 'shift' and there would be color explosions. Also lots of 'vibrations' as my friend called them, I think others call them tremors. It made it so I did not want to talk, but when my buddy spoke to me I had no issues responding. Oh man, and listening to iboga music and then Frank Zappa was interesting.....for the first time iboga music didn't really work but the Zappa was mindblowing. I guess synthetics like different music than naturals. ;)

Lots of buzzing noises and 'tryptamine' noises. Total duration...probably 3hr and the after effects lasted well into the next day.

I'm sure I'd do it again sometime but iprocin is some weird, weird material. One thing is for sure...it comes on FAST. Felt it within 10 minutes of drinking it down.

OP...the reward is in the higher dose....when I tried 16mg it left me mostly uncomfortable too.

Thomas Davie said:
About 5 hours ago I had my 3rd (and probably last) attempt at using this compound. The HCl salt.

7 weeks ago I first tried it at 8.6 mg
7 days ago @ 12.9 mg, and just now at 16.6 mg. Oral, dissolved in water and consumed in a shot of OJ or beer.

Every time I get uncontrollable leg tremors which are amusing or enjoyable for 10 minutes; but after 5 hours if twitching I am physically tired and have a hard time walking. I can only imagine what horrible jaw clenching must be like on some compounds. My appetite was unaffected; perhaps even stimulated a little bit.... But I had to eat lying down because the leg shakes were so bad it was causing my hands to spill and spray food. The dogs found that funny.

Sound was odd; like I was in the middle of a crackling brushfire.

There might be some reward at higher doses; I'm just not interested in pursuing it.

Tom
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I tried 4-HO-DiPT for the first time the other night at around 25mg. Coming on, about 15 minutes or so into it, I did have the leg tremors, muscles spasming in my legs, but I also get that from psilocybin mushrooms, and 2C-B the one time I tried it. Never have I had them last any more than 20-30 minutes. I can only guess at how annoying 5 hours of it must be. As MGS said above, definitely a substance you have to work with to go where you want to go, it's not automatically going to whisk you away to another dimension unless you dance with it.
 
Thomas Davie said:
There might be some reward at higher doses; I'm just not interested in pursuing it.
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There is. For me it was a four-hour-long full-body orgasm =D 8o
This was years ago and I don't remember the exact dosage, but it was somewhere in the range of 25-30mg. I got huge muscle tremors too and I'm guessing that was causing some prostate stimulation in this particular experience.

I don't work with this material anymore because the hours of muscle spasms and the long-lasting effects (I couldn't sleep for at least 24 hours) left me feeling really strung-out for days afterwards. But it was pretty amazing the few times I'd tried it. If I were to do it again, I would try taking magnesium supplements and/or a bath with epsom salts, both of those could help relieve the muscle tension.
 
Thanks for the replies.

morninggloryseed....Zappa is a good idea. Fantastic actually. Honestly I never thought of trying music when experimenting with this compound; although I use headphones on mushrooms. You're right, it is weird. But then this was my first RC, so maybe they are all going to be weird. I felt okay(ish) after 15 or so hours. Legs don't hurt now, but feel 'tired' if that makes sense. You are 100% on the money about it coming on fast (my notes stopped abruptly after 28 minutes). I have 2 more doses preweighed; 14 and 23.4 mg. I did figure that I was on the low end of dosing,but I've got well managed hypertension and intend on keeping it so (I have to take Labetalol, Amiodipine and Monoppril and do so maybe 90 minutes before dosing).

Lococo....I had the Iprocin 6 months before I tried it for the first time. I tried to read everything I could before I took the plunge. I may very well have obsessed about tremors to the point where I made them worse/real.

zn13bt; I'll give the supplements/epsom salts a try if I dose Iprocin again.

Again, thanks. I'll either pass on my next Iprocin dose or try 4-Aco-DMT.

Tom
 
Thomas Davie said:
Thanks for the replies.

morninggloryseed....Zappa is a good idea. Fantastic actually. Honestly I never thought of trying music when experimenting with this compound; although I use headphones on mushrooms. You're right, it is weird. But then this was my first RC, so maybe they are all going to be weird. I felt okay(ish) after 15 or so hours. Legs don't hurt now, but feel 'tired' if that makes sense. You are 100% on the money about it coming on fast (my notes stopped abruptly after 28 minutes). I have 2 more doses preweighed; 14 and 23.4 mg. I did figure that I was on the low end of dosing,but I've got well managed hypertension and intend on keeping it so (I have to take Labetalol, Amiodipine and Monoppril and do so maybe 90 minutes before dosing).

Lococo....I had the Iprocin 6 months before I tried it for the first time. I tried to read everything I could before I took the plunge. I may very well have obsessed about tremors to the point where I made them worse/real.

zn13bt; I'll give the supplements/epsom salts a try if I dose Iprocin again.

Again, thanks. I'll either pass on my next Iprocin dose or try 4-Aco-DMT.

Tom
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Save 4-HO-DiPT for a time in the future when you feel different around it. Come into it with no preconceptions except about the dose, and take a hearty dose as MGS described. Then you can make a real judgment about the substance. In the meantime get to know your subsituted tryps like 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MiPT (a very different chemical) and 4-HO-DET. 4-HO-DET is a nice stimulating trip with no leg tremors for me!
 
It's now been 6 1/2 days since taking 16.6 mg 4-HO-DiPT. Still having GI issues (i.e gas/loose stools). It's slowly going away though. It's not debilitating, but is too high a price for me to pay with this RC.

Excuse me while I go visit the water closet again.

Tom
 
Thomas Davie said:
It's now been 6 1/2 days since taking 16.6 mg 4-HO-DiPT. Still having GI issues (i.e gas/loose stools). It's slowly going away though. It's not debilitating, but is too high a price for me to pay with this RC.

Excuse me while I go visit the water closet again.

Tom
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I dunno, I think you may be attributing a coincidence wrongly to it. The average person's diet in a first-world country is very harmful to the GI system and could easily account for everything you're experiencing.
 
Since changing my diet to only foods that don't come into a box and eating only foods with ingredients you don't need a chemistry degree to pronounce...I can say this is 100% spot on. It's hard not to get preachy about food with people because at heart, I just want to spread knowledge to people and share how I got to the place I am at...but it is the biggest mind fuck of all times how people don't realize their body is a temple, you are what you eat, etc, etc X 10000.
 
I have a pretty decent diet. Mostly vegetarian, and chicken/fish. Extremely lean beef on occasion. About 1/3 of my diet is channa masala (East Indian chickpeas) that I rehydrate from dried and cook with my own spice blends.

I don't think 4-HO-DiPT is bad, just that it doesn't seem to agree with me. I've got health issues (about 0.8 functioning kidney) that may contribute to any idiosyncratic reaction I experience. Add in that I am on 4 medications I take daily, and I'm not surprised. I'm just throwing this info out there in case there is anyone in a similar health state/condition who might be seeking some info out.

Perhaps 4-AcO-DMT will be kinder; we shall see in a short while.

bloodshed344 and morningglory seed....thanks. Your comments are important to me. Much appreciated.

Tom
 
Thomas Davie said:
I have a pretty decent diet. Mostly vegetarian, and chicken/fish. Extremely lean beef on occasion. About 1/3 of my diet is channa masala (East Indian chickpeas) that I rehydrate from dried and cook with my own spice blends.

I don't think 4-HO-DiPT is bad, just that it doesn't seem to agree with me. I've got health issues (about 0.8 functioning kidney) that may contribute to any idiosyncratic reaction I experience. Add in that I am on 4 medications I take daily, and I'm not surprised. I'm just throwing this info out there in case there is anyone in a similar health state/condition who might be seeking some info out.

Perhaps 4-AcO-DMT will be kinder; we shall see in a short while.

bloodshed344 and morningglory seed....thanks. Your comments are important to me. Much appreciated.

Tom
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4-AcO-DMT should not cause you these physical issues. 4-HO-DiPT is probably much more peripherally active, I know 4-AcO-DMT isn't very much.
 
Agreed. 4-Aco-DMT won't cause that. The body seems to love psilocin and its esters. 4-Ho-DIPT has INTENSE 'vibrations.' In my body, it is very much like 5-MeO-DMT...and since we all know that doesn't agree with everyone, even those with the best intentions, it's fair to assume 4-Ho-DiPT is no different.

On the other hand, even in my own practice I enjoy 5-MeO-DMT best when I take enough to go out of body...smaller dosages are very physical, much like bufotenine. I did try iprocin at 14mg and it was intensly physical (in a not so good way) and at the time, I was not good at 'practicing existing" and letting go and all of that, so I had a VERY difficult trip (report at erowid).

If you have 4-AcO-DMT you probably don't need iprocin but if you do ever wish to explore...take 24-26mg. Or feel free to send me the rest! ;) I will use it in my work. :)
 
morninggloryseed said:
Agreed. 4-Aco-DMT won't cause that. The body seems to love psilocin and its esters. 4-Ho-DIPT has INTENSE 'vibrations.' In my body, it is very much like 5-MeO-DMT...and since we all know that doesn't agree with everyone, even those with the best intentions, it's fair to assume 4-Ho-DiPT is no different.

On the other hand, even in my own practice I enjoy 5-MeO-DMT best when I take enough to go out of body...smaller dosages are very physical, much like bufotenine. I did try iprocin at 14mg and it was intensly physical (in a not so good way) and at the time, I was not good at 'practicing existing" and letting go and all of that, so I had a VERY difficult trip (report at erowid).

If you have 4-AcO-DMT you probably don't need iprocin but if you do ever wish to explore...take 24-26mg. Or feel free to send me the rest! ;) I will use it in my work. :)
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I could use it better!

But yes, best to take an uncomfortable feeling tryptamine in high doses from what I've read of experience reports.
 
I've got 2 Iprocin doses already weighed out; one at 23.4 and the other at 14.0 mg, plus ~70 mg in reserve.

However, after last night's rather pleasant experience with 4-AcO-DMT, I'm going to pursue that one for a while, increasing it by ~8 mg at a time to see if I can find a sweet spot. It felt....right. So right that I had to resist bumping or redosing.

I still haven't tried weed with Iprocin, so that might be something I'll try in a couple of weeks when I'm on holidays.

Tom
 
4-AcO-DMT is goodness. Very different than psilocin...it really is, it has a warm natural reddish glow added to the blue universal colors of psilocin....psilacetin is #2 in my book for 4-substituted tryptamines behind psilocin itself.
 
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