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4-FMP (4-FA) - First Time, then Methylone - Second Time: Superbly relaxed

Rosencavelier

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4-FMP (4-FA) (First Time) then Methylone (Second Time) - Superbly relaxed

My first trip report: I apologise in advance for my rather concise descriptions – I always hated the writing laden subjects at school, and only took very short notes during the experience.

Weight: 75 kg
Dose: 150mg 4-FMP
Time taken: 2:45pm
Set & Setting: 11 hour bus ride last night, 30mg Diazepam* at start of that for dual purpose: to remove anxiety I’ve had when travelling since horrific accident last year and to add the ability to sleep. Excited at being able to try this new (to me) substance at last. Got off work early, visiting friend who I hoped would join in, but was too ill – and believe me, for him to pass up a new substance means he must have been feeling close to death ;). Decided to stay with him to keep him company and give me someone to talk to :) This means I was seated/laying down for the duration of the experience.

* = probably negatively impacted on the experience – looking forward to a “clean” retrial later.

T+0: Friend (henceforth “BA” (not Blue Adonis)) and I discuss events of my recent journey to Adelaide for the retrieval of this substance (a story for another time), his illness, etc.

T+20: First alert? I feel a slight warmth through the body.

T+30: Talkative, Happy, Warmth increasing

T+45: Very happy (I hate to use the term euphoria for anything other than MDMA), tappy feet, warmth rising/spreading (feels quite pleasant), slight stimulation.

T+1:30: Cool, mellow, almost sedated, very comfortable. Start to watch Cowboy Bepop.

T+1:45: A yawn 8o?

T+2:00: Body heat up – feels very nice, have been talking quite a bit – haven’t paid much attention to the show. Very relaxed, yawning with frequency now, dopey happiness. Pleasant tingles through my head.

T+2:20: Suffering from desert mouth, still feel a nice warmth through the body, although feet and hands are starting to feel cold. Very happy.

T+2:45: As above. Happiness is fading to a general contentedness. Could do anything in public at this stage. Nothing noticeably visual or aural throughout the experience, but didn’t have a chance to attempt music.

T+3:15: Back to baseline.

T+3:30: Feeling tired. FF shows up, wants in on the action. Short discussion as I talk him into Methylone. BA sighs in resignation as he realises he lacks the willpower to decline joining us.

T+3:35(T+0): 200mg Methylone each.

T+4:00(T+25): Handwriting is much messier than usual. Rising energy, tappy feet, again with the warmth, eyesight wobbly (haven’t had eye wobbles on ecstasy for a LONG time, so getting them on Methylone is fantastic!), unsteady on feet as I go to refresh my drink. COLD (then again, it is after sundown, and it’s a bloody cold time of year). I reflect again on the speed and strength of onset of this substance that I so loved the first time I tried it.

T+4:05(T+30): Quite stimulated, jaw clenches, eye wobbles increase, happiness rising again.

T+4:10(T+35): Feel supremely good. Very relaxed. FF is bouncing around the room, swearing that he must be on ecstasy, this is the best he’s felt in ages, etc)

T+4:20(T+45): :D VERY HAPPY (dare I say mild euphoria?)

T+5:00(T+1:25): body tingles, dry throat, superbly relaxed, warm, talk flows through the group (although FF dominates (and differentiates) with this abnormal stimulation of his :))

T+5:15(T+1:40): VB comes home from work – wants to copy some CD’s (needs my help) – VB, FF and I head around to my place to do this. BA declines the journey.

T+6:55(T+3:20): Notes end with “Mostly over”. Sleep comes easily.


I expected a lot more from 4-FMP, and I hope my experience was simply dulled by the high (for me) dose of diazepam the preceding night. I definitely enjoyed it, but will probably push the dose up to 180mg next time, as well as having a clean few days before hand.

Methylone was also less than I recalled, but I think the setting was better the first time – Just BA and I having a heart to heart - as well as it having been the only substance for that week. Not that I didn’t love the Methylone this time – it is probably my favourite substance of the moment. Also looking forward to a clean retrial of this one. Again, perhaps a slightly higher dose – first time was 190mg + 50mg booster.

Rosencavelier :)
 
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I'd say it was very dulled seeing as how diazepam kills trips/amphetamines.
 
I've had diazepam actually potentiate amphetamines, namely methamphetamine and MDMA, when taken many hours prior. I'd say it was just that 4-FMP isn't all that great, but that's just my opinion...
 
What is 4-FMP???
Is it something like 4-fleuro-methyl-phenethylamine??? Or is it a benzyl-amine? Maybe 4-fleuro-methyl-piperazine? I am guessing that it is a Research Chemical???

It sounds like an interesting material. I would like to know where I can learn more.
 
4-fluoro methylphenethylamine.
Search the forum and erowid for more info :)

I think I ingested it in a rather large and odd looking pill in 2003. It showed nothing on a tester. If so, it was like "smooth" long lasting speed for me, with some euphoria, but no MDMA-like peak. Scattered long-lasting comedown... but it might not of been that chemical at all.
 
4FMP (aka 4FA) is a mildly empathogenic stimulant that is really, despite this description, nothing like methylone. It has far less of an artificial push to it, but it is more of a hit'n'miss affair. I feel that set plays a major role. And I found that the high is best when the drug isn't used more than once a week on high doses. repeated dosing definitely doesn't feel too comfortable, especially with lots of cannabis involved. comedowns seem to get more scattered and long-lasting (and peaks shorter) if the stuff is used too often, too regularly.

Unlike methylone, I find that I can take it and no one knows I have taken anything (except me, that is).
 
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As ximot said "4-FMP" (who the hell invented that stupid name? its so confusing and misleading!) is the same as 4-FA (the name I think ought to be used).

I also agree that 4-FA feels nothing like Methylone, although they both end in disgusting over-stimulation for me.
 
I personally greatly enjoyed 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine - as mentioned, 4-FMP is a misleading term). It was reminiscent of MDMA for me, except less euphoric, more sobering, less dopey, and more energetic. Also, there was no horrific week of depression following, just a drawn-out comedown that fades afterwards, and consists of tiredness but nothing bad (for me anyway).

I wish I could find more of it. It felt very clean to me, clean, friendly, and euphoric.
 
I'm very excited to try 4-FMP from what I've heard, and hopefully it'll be happening very soon.
 
zophen said:
Disagree ! Although the stimulation is more pronounced there are definite subjective similarities.IMO

There are similarities, but taking into consideration that they are both CNS stimulants I'd say they're more different than alike.
 
^ Pffft well it's kinda subjective. I find methyl1 to be extremely variable in how I react to it. Sometimes it's better than MDMA sometimes it's like an iffy stim, that's just me though.
 
zophen said:
^ Pffft well it's kinda subjective. I find methyl1 to be extremely variable in how I react to it. Sometimes it's better than MDMA sometimes it's like an iffy stim, that's just me though.

I agree that it's subjective. What effects do you find to be similar? I only find the come up to be alike.
 
Xorkoth posted about after effects being tolerable, others?

it IS around and, well, wouldn't want to miss an opportunity when it has presented itself...but the few days after are a concern.

Edit: I'm referring to 4-FMP (or 4-FA)
 
LinZ-E said:
Xorkoth posted about after effects being tolerable, others?

it IS around and, well, wouldn't want to miss an opportunity when it has presented itself...but the few days after are a concern.

Edit: I'm referring to 4-FMP (or 4-FA)

As long as I didn't go overboard the aftereffects for me were just long lasting stimulation.
 
If you have a chance to get some, I recommend getting some. It's the gentlest amphetamine I've ever used, for sure. And at least for me, it gave me no problems the next day. The stimulation lasts 8-10 hours total, and the peak of the euphoria lasts maybe 4, dropping off slowly after that. I have used it 5 times, and none of those times did I have any hangover at all, or any mood alterations at any time afterwards. The stimulation is very pleasant and gentle, although speedy, and the body high during the first half is great, very MDMA-like. Mentally, I find it to enhance speed of thought and to greatly increase mood and motivation. Socially, it makes me want to talk and talk and talk about intellectual stuff with whoever will join me. Hanging out with people or family on this drug has been the main reason I've used it, because it makes it so much more uninhibited and joyous and fun.
 
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