4-fa comb?

[WaseFraKa]

not many reports of people combining this one with tryps or phens, only one with 2c-b and another with 5-meo-dalt

anybody else have experience?

I am tempted to try this one with some mushrooms or some 2c-d at approx +3-5h

 

[(zonk)]

I'd use shrooms. IME stims tend to potentiate phens rathr than synergize with them

 

[djfriendly]

I've only taken 4FA once, but it strikes me that 2C-D would be pretty good on top of it. I'm not so sure what it'd be like after the 2C-D wears off, though.

 

[fastandbulbous]

4-FA & methylone produces an ecstatic effect according to a friend (he's a BL so might just chip in) that in ways surpasses MDMA

 

[WaseFraKa]

yeah I heard if the m1 is taken at +1 it's great...but that's not really my plan, though I have once taken 75mg snorted m1 at +3h and it produced an awesome dancing time (even though the effect was not that strong)

^^^ well potentiating is not really a problem, just take less. The report with 2c-b said it added too much stimulation that's why I thought 2c-d would be nice as it is usually a very relaxed experience
mushrooms seem nice but as I will be at a very small outdoor and it will be very cold it might actually not be ideal (I always get the chills on mushrooms) and usually I like them alone, the few times I did them where there were people I just happened to retreat to myself

I guess I'll just take some 2c-t-21 instead for the timeframe I'm looking for and to not have an unexpected surprise

 

[Ximot]

4-FA & methylone

superb combo

 

[Schlaang]

IMHO. it's better not to mix stims with psychedelics. Especially this rude and vulgar 4-FA.
2-FA is more intelligent and it can be add as a mild flavour to some phens or RC's

 

[tadfish]

whats the difference between 4-FA and 2-FA and the laws in australia and globally?
some methylone and 4-FA is good combo

 

[tadfish]

I recently had a friend mixin all sorts of things with 4-fm 4-fluro methamphet. so far he just tried caths and some other stuff.
whats everyone thoughts on adding methylone or ethylone to the mix

 

[Jabberwocky]

^ 4FA, methylone, and ethylone aren't psychedelic drugs. I don't know why they get talked about so much in this forum though!

 

[Riemann Zeta]

^^Neither is MDMA, but for some reason, many people seem to treat it as such. However, 4-fluoroamphetamine is definitely not psychedelic, it is pretty much a typical amphetaminergic stimulant, just like amphetamine itself. So, I would bet that adding 4-fluoroamphetamine to a psychedelic or empathogenic compound (there's your MDMA/methylone type stuff) is pretty much like adding dextroamphetamine...which, in my opinion, is pretty damn stellar.

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

^ 4FA, methylone, and ethylone aren't psychedelic drugs. I don't know why they get talked about so much in this forum though!

so you consider only 5HT2A-agonists as psychedelics?

I myself tend to a more general definition and therefore I consider all drugs which cause more profund effects than sedation or stimulation "psychedelic" (for the lack of a better word), including entactogens/empathogens, cannabis, fly agaric, salvia, dissociatives, even anticholinergics.

 

[Riemann Zeta]

so you consider only 5HT2A-agonists as psychedelics?

I actually do pretty much only consider 5-HT2A agonists as psychedelics--a compound can certainly have a more diffuse receptor binding profile, but still I consider activity at 5-HT2A to be a minimum for inclusion. Since the word psychedelic refers to expanding one's cognition/consciousness and I wouldn't consider something that removes conscious awareness and impairs cognition--such as an anticholinergic--to be psychedelic.

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

I actually do pretty much only consider 5-HT2A agonists as psychedelics--a compound can certainly have a more diffuse receptor binding profile, but still I consider activity at 5-HT2A to be a minimum for inclusion. Since the word psychedelic refers to expanding one's cognition/consciousness and I wouldn't consider something that removes conscious awareness and impairs cognition--such as an anticholinergic--to be psychedelic.

OK, let's put the deliriants aside - I certainly think that also dissociatives, cannabis and fly agaric expand one's consciousness.

 

[polidelaiko]

So whats a good dose or ratio with 4FMP and M1?

 

[rangrz]

^150mg M1 and 50mg 4FMP served me well very recently...next time, I am keeping that ratio, but upping the dosage a bit. It was very very enjoyable, tonnes of euphoria, ect, but not psychedelic.

I've also combined 4FMP with bk-mdbd, which was okay. but not stellar.

 

[theWorldWithin]

I guess I'll just take some 2c-t-21 instead for the timeframe I'm looking for and to not have an unexpected surprise

Terrible idea right here. DO NOT MIX 2c-t-X series with stimulants EVER. To my knowledge they are all suspected of possessing some MAOI activity, thus are potentially very dangerous to mix with stimulants, particularly a strong amphetamine type stim.

 

[Jabberwocky]

so you consider only 5HT2A-agonists as psychedelics?

I myself tend to a more general definition and therefore I consider all drugs which cause more profund effects than sedation or stimulation "psychedelic" (for the lack of a better word), including entactogens/empathogens, cannabis, fly agaric, salvia, dissociatives, even anticholinergics.

some of those are psychedelics that you listed...like cannabis for instance can be quite psychedelic and salvia of course. I'm like you a little more loose with the term psychedelic than I am with hallucinogen (which I think closely tracks 5HT2a agonist activity). Psychedelic can be used more liberally I think...

 

[Shakti]

Hmm, I would personally be more strict with my usage of psychedelic than hallucinogen. For example the scopolamine containing plants I would certainly say are hallucinogens, as they make you hallucinate, yet I would not call them psychedelic as they do not seem to me to necessarily raise consciousness but simply alter it in striking ways. Overall most psychedelics are a subset of hallucinogens to me. Though I think I would be amenable to defining most psychedelics as non-hallucinogenic, and make the definition of hallucinogen substances which cause us to confuse constructs of the mind for physical realities, but due to the usage of hallucinogen that wouldn't really be possible.

Salvia is something to me which is definitely psychedelic and hallucinogenic and isn't a serotonin agonist at all. So being a 5-ht2 agonist to me is too narrow a definition of a psychedelic, even though most that we have been given by plants and have synthesized our selves act on this receptor. I think dissociatives can be psychedelic as well as amanitas, but I haven't tried either so I can't really say either way.

 

[Riemann Zeta]

^^I use the exact opposite classification scheme: since 'hallucinogen' is such a pejorative word in society and--in my opinion--5-HT2A agonists don't actually cause proper hallucinations, they cause visualizations. The difference is that true hallucinations span across modalities, true hallucinations have context--smoking a cigarette while talking to an old friend (sans a corporeal cigarette or another person in the room) is a hallucination. Anticholinergics are probably the best examples of pure-bred 'hallucinogens' out there.

As for the NMDA-receptor antagonists, I like the proposal that a friend of mine gave me: that these are best called "entheogens" for their ability to engender spiritual-feeling, near-death-experience-like effects, but not "psychedelics," as they essentially remove consciousness and cognition. Salvia is clearly another entheogen (although I've never gotten any effect from it).

Cannabis... That's a tricky one. I can only think of cannabinoids as their own thing. Opioids as well. Each has its own distinct qualitative phenomena, something that is shared (with certain individual 'flavor,' obviously) by all the compounds in the class, but it's not similar to the feelings generated by any other class of compounds. I know that certain people attempt to classify cannabinoids as simply "weak hallucinogens," but I just don't see it. It is not as if weed is just a low-potency form of say, mushrooms--if I smoke a bunch of weed, it is not as if I will experience an incrementally accumulating psychedelic experience.