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4-fa comb?

^^I use the exact opposite classification scheme: since 'hallucinogen' is such a pejorative word in society and--in my opinion--5-HT2A agonists don't actually cause proper hallucinations, they cause visualizations. The difference is that true hallucinations span across modalities, true hallucinations have context--smoking a cigarette while talking to an old friend (sans a corporeal cigarette or another person in the room) is a hallucination. Anticholinergics are probably the best examples of pure-bred 'hallucinogens' out there.

As for the NMDA-receptor antagonists, I like the proposal that a friend of mine gave me: that these are best called "entheogens" for their ability to engender spiritual-feeling, near-death-experience-like effects, but not "psychedelics," as they essentially remove consciousness and cognition. Salvia is clearly another entheogen (although I've never gotten any effect from it).

Cannabis... That's a tricky one. I can only think of cannabinoids as their own thing. Opioids as well. Each has its own distinct qualitative phenomena, something that is shared (with certain individual 'flavor,' obviously) by all the compounds in the class, but it's not similar to the feelings generated by any other class of compounds. I know that certain people attempt to classify cannabinoids as simply "weak hallucinogens" (meaning 'weak psychedelic'), but I just don't see it. It is not as if weed is just a low-potency form of say, mushrooms--if I smoke a bunch of weed, it is not as if I will experience an incrementally accumulating psychedelic experience.
 
Riemann Zeta, I think of the extension of hallucinogen in that way because in the academic literature scientists consider hallucinogen to mean that (5HT2a activation). So, I defer to them for the meaning of that term.
 
I took 30mg of 2c-e 14:00. Would it be safe if I take 80mg 4-fa?
 
4-fa goes well with almost any kind of substance i combined it with.

i read a very nice report on mushrooms + 4-fa . seems close to 'hippieflippin'.

4-fa definately posses empathogen qualities which are beyond regular amphetamine.
 
I remember mixing some (probably way to much) 4-fa with 4-meo-pcp..Also to much...

I can't really recommend such combo..
 
^^ Taking a high dose of an amphetamine with a high dose of a dissociative NMDA receptor antagonist could readily induce psychotomimetic symptoms, turning some people into manic street preachers, running around shouting about how a tiny purple gorilla is stealing their brain bananas.

Did any of that happen to you?
 
Bumping this thread in case anyone has any more infor on this combo. I am really keen to try it but i guess my main concern is over stimulation. Also, does 4-FA extend the methylone peak? Whilst i am at it, anyone combine this with 6 or 5-apb?
 
What about mixing 4-fa with 2-AI, 5-IAI, MDAI or some of 5-meo-x ??

By the way what is M1 ?? full name ?
 
Mixing it with 5-MeO tryptamines sounds like a bad idea. 5-MeO's tend to produce a strong push of energy that can get uncomfortable if it is fueled out of control / forced, or if you are not very good at channeling body loads.

5-IAI sounds like nasty stuff, I have not once heard anything positive about it. Just that it is supposed to be not potent and uninteresting. Combining with 4-FA or basically any amphetamine probably increase side-effects or jitteriness but that is just speculation really.

With MDAI it could actually be a pretty good idea, MDAI provides the serotonergic action and 4-FA probably dopamine and also some serotonin and maybe NE.

Don't know about 2-AI. But I think it is mostly a plain stimulant with dopaminergic action? IMO or expectation enforcing the dopamine side of 4-FA would suck and make the experience more like what you get after the euphoric main peak. For me 4-FA is first mildly MDMA-ish but much more clearheaded, then it tapers down to something resembling amphetamine / dexamphetamine / 2-FA.
 
Thanks for such nice reply..

By the way what do you think about mixing 4-fa with dimethocaine(larocaine) ?

Maybe you know which legal analogue is better than 4-fa by itself or some good mix? I heard that Methoextamine mixed with MDAI or some other chemical is great! ?
 
Perhaps, but I would not mix methoxetamine with drugs that are too dopaminergic because I'd expect the 'manic' aspect to be much more pronounced. I wouldn't want that. MDAI is serotonergic so that seems to be better and should not interact too much with any DARI effect methoxetamine has.
AMT is rumored to be good with methoxetamine, this is also pretty serotonergic but not only that. AMT seems to be more complex anyway, it's not just another stimulant.
To be quite honest there aren't that many things I would like to mix amphetamine-like stimulants with, perhaps cannabis. With other combinations there are reasons every time why I would not be interested.

Remember that I am reflecting my personal opinion here. Though I think the manic side of certain dissociatives like R-ketamine, PCP and methoxetamine is not something I am imaginating and stimulants would be expected to increase worrisome side-effects.
 
Very interesting.. i was reading through many discussions in stimulant series, but hard to find any good as some time ago was meph. Is there any good stimulant euphoric better than 4-fa ? i also read about 3-fa, 2-fa 4-ma and so on but no many info on those. So maybe someone can tell which is your favorite ?? Better than 4-fa ? Maybe you can recommend some ??
 
By what I'm reading, is it fair to assume in the most general way, that combining stimulating psychedelics with other actual stimulants is less of a good idea than combining a more relaxing psychedelic with a stmiulant?

So 4-fa + 2c-e = not so good
but 4-fa + 2c-c = better?

or 4-fa + amt = not so good
but 4-fa + 4-ho-met = better?
 
icen said:
What about mixing 4-fa with 2-AI, 5-IAI, MDAI or some of 5-meo-x ??

By the way what is M1 ?? full name ?
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I would imagine 4-FA with MDAI is excellent. Same with 4-FA and M1 (methylone) although I can confirm that combo is excellent myself.
 
Did a 4fa and 6abp combo on saturday, worked a treat, not as euphoric as ecstasy but nothing else is for me.
 
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