I'm a 30s 75ish kg male who has been doing too many stimulant and empathogenic drugs recently. However, I was off to the fairly famous London club Fabric for a Saturday night of trance and techno. Not that I particularly enjoy trance or techno, but I assumed it would be a reasonably epic night at least, and a long one, with it open till 8am.
At about 7pm myself and my fellow party-goers began the party preparations, which for me involved drinking some delicious whiskey and coke, and for them consisted of drinking ridiculous girly drinks and spending hours getting ready. At roughly 8.30pm myself and the two girls did 100mg of 4-FA each, with a plan to top up twice. It was a little early, given the club didn't open till 11pm, but I was sleepy, and needed very little excuse to indulge to excess.
I had recently acquired a small amount of MDMA, which reacted incredibly vigorously with my testing kit (and was claimed to be 84% pure). It was as yet untried by me, and I had no plans of offering anyone a chemical I had not previously done myself. At the time, I was not sure I'd indulge tonight either, given that I really like 4-FA in a club environment. However I had brought with me some gel caps I'd made up with 1x100mg, 2x50mg.
The drinking was not extreme, maybe a quarter of a bottle of whiskey for myself, I'm unsure what they had (also, it's not relevant to this report!). Upon leaving I bring a 50mg bomb of 4-fa and a 50mg MDMA capsule with me. I'd become worried about mixing them, as I'm a bit of an MDMA lightweight at the best of times, so I left the 100mg capsule and an extra 50mg behind.
So some time shortly after 11pm we arrive, and given a bit of a delayed 4-fa come-up due to foods, still mostly feeling the lovely initial stages of 4-fa. Once inside and settled with drinks, it's time for the fun to begin. I'm feeling somewhat stimulated by the 4-fa, but nothing special, it'd been a few hours by then, so the girls topped up with another 50mg, and I dropped the 50mg MDMA.
Trance and techno is unfortunately a horribly terribly boring music, so we stood around for a while soaking up the atmosphere, but not for VERY long, as within maybe 15 minutes at most I started to feel mild, exciting rushes, and a tremendous urge to dance. A few minutes longer and I was decidedly pleased with myself, and urging everyone to get up and get right into the middle and go crazy. The MDMA added a whole new level of delicious to the 4-FA, a push and a euphoria more than it ever had by itself, even at a level whereby I experienced essentially zero come-up. Within an hour or two I was strongly wishing I had brought more, at least the other 50mg. During this period, we had continued drinking. Not at an excessive pace, but a consistent one.
Several hours into the night I started to feel somewhat spun out and strange, as if I'd need to go outside for a moment. This was not at all helped by the two girls picking this night to have a mild drug induced crisis of confidence, requiring us all to sit down for a while. I'm unsure as to whether the spinny feeling was due to over stimulation from the combination or due to the alcohol, although I'm inclined to think both had a part to play! Given a short while the feeling passed, and we got back to dancing. The MDMA euphoria had clearly worn off by this point, with just the residual 4-FA stimulation remaining, but it was still reasonably fun. I could easily slip between being mostly sober and annoyed by the repetitive nature of trance, and dancing like a club going lunatic. I'd have liked to do the remaining 4-FA (or the MDMA I left at home!) but the symptoms mentioned put me off in the interests of safety.
Some time later, about 6-7am we went home.
In hindsight, I'd really have preferred to see what this combination was like without the alcohol. I'd also be inclined to do perhaps half that amount of 4-fa, and 75mg of MDMA. I've previously mentioned on here that I dislike the overwhelming come up of MDMA, and certainly that did not happen at all at the 50mg dose, even when the 4-fa was still going reasonably strong. For an hour or so, this was utter bliss, but the MDMA at such a low dose wore off FAR too quickly, and the strange spinning feeling (I don't know how else to describe it, but I'm sure the majority of you are familiar with it!) was a little disconcerting. It did however add a wonderful push and a beautiful joy to the 4-FA, so I'm totally interested in trying this again sometime later, in a more controlled circumstance.
I think a much better dose schedule for this would be:
50-75mg 4-FA at party time minus one hour
50-75mg MDMA at party time plus one hour
50-75mg MDMA at party time +3 or +4
Note that my MDMA tolerance is low and pitiful, and I purposely avoid the powerful come up with low doses, preferring to top up.
I'm pretty sure I didn't drink so much that I'd have felt at all strange if just on 4-FA, but I can't say for sure due to having no idea how much I actually drank. At no time did I feel overheated or have a worrying heart beat, and I was somewhat anxious due to never trying this combination before, all of which might have added to my feelings of strangeness.
In spite of all I've said, the 4-FA and MDMA combination was really, really nice while it lasted. Just be careful with your dosages, and remember the 4-FA will totally outlive the MDMA with regards to stimulation. I'd not be at all surprised to learn the stimmy tail end of the MDMA added to the tail end of the 4-FA for additional jittery longevity, but my intoxicated mind found it increasingly hard to tell. I think when dosed more appropriately, this could be a particularly special combination.
At about 7pm myself and my fellow party-goers began the party preparations, which for me involved drinking some delicious whiskey and coke, and for them consisted of drinking ridiculous girly drinks and spending hours getting ready. At roughly 8.30pm myself and the two girls did 100mg of 4-FA each, with a plan to top up twice. It was a little early, given the club didn't open till 11pm, but I was sleepy, and needed very little excuse to indulge to excess.
I had recently acquired a small amount of MDMA, which reacted incredibly vigorously with my testing kit (and was claimed to be 84% pure). It was as yet untried by me, and I had no plans of offering anyone a chemical I had not previously done myself. At the time, I was not sure I'd indulge tonight either, given that I really like 4-FA in a club environment. However I had brought with me some gel caps I'd made up with 1x100mg, 2x50mg.
The drinking was not extreme, maybe a quarter of a bottle of whiskey for myself, I'm unsure what they had (also, it's not relevant to this report!). Upon leaving I bring a 50mg bomb of 4-fa and a 50mg MDMA capsule with me. I'd become worried about mixing them, as I'm a bit of an MDMA lightweight at the best of times, so I left the 100mg capsule and an extra 50mg behind.
So some time shortly after 11pm we arrive, and given a bit of a delayed 4-fa come-up due to foods, still mostly feeling the lovely initial stages of 4-fa. Once inside and settled with drinks, it's time for the fun to begin. I'm feeling somewhat stimulated by the 4-fa, but nothing special, it'd been a few hours by then, so the girls topped up with another 50mg, and I dropped the 50mg MDMA.
Trance and techno is unfortunately a horribly terribly boring music, so we stood around for a while soaking up the atmosphere, but not for VERY long, as within maybe 15 minutes at most I started to feel mild, exciting rushes, and a tremendous urge to dance. A few minutes longer and I was decidedly pleased with myself, and urging everyone to get up and get right into the middle and go crazy. The MDMA added a whole new level of delicious to the 4-FA, a push and a euphoria more than it ever had by itself, even at a level whereby I experienced essentially zero come-up. Within an hour or two I was strongly wishing I had brought more, at least the other 50mg. During this period, we had continued drinking. Not at an excessive pace, but a consistent one.
Several hours into the night I started to feel somewhat spun out and strange, as if I'd need to go outside for a moment. This was not at all helped by the two girls picking this night to have a mild drug induced crisis of confidence, requiring us all to sit down for a while. I'm unsure as to whether the spinny feeling was due to over stimulation from the combination or due to the alcohol, although I'm inclined to think both had a part to play! Given a short while the feeling passed, and we got back to dancing. The MDMA euphoria had clearly worn off by this point, with just the residual 4-FA stimulation remaining, but it was still reasonably fun. I could easily slip between being mostly sober and annoyed by the repetitive nature of trance, and dancing like a club going lunatic. I'd have liked to do the remaining 4-FA (or the MDMA I left at home!) but the symptoms mentioned put me off in the interests of safety.
Some time later, about 6-7am we went home.
In hindsight, I'd really have preferred to see what this combination was like without the alcohol. I'd also be inclined to do perhaps half that amount of 4-fa, and 75mg of MDMA. I've previously mentioned on here that I dislike the overwhelming come up of MDMA, and certainly that did not happen at all at the 50mg dose, even when the 4-fa was still going reasonably strong. For an hour or so, this was utter bliss, but the MDMA at such a low dose wore off FAR too quickly, and the strange spinning feeling (I don't know how else to describe it, but I'm sure the majority of you are familiar with it!) was a little disconcerting. It did however add a wonderful push and a beautiful joy to the 4-FA, so I'm totally interested in trying this again sometime later, in a more controlled circumstance.
I think a much better dose schedule for this would be:
50-75mg 4-FA at party time minus one hour
50-75mg MDMA at party time plus one hour
50-75mg MDMA at party time +3 or +4
Note that my MDMA tolerance is low and pitiful, and I purposely avoid the powerful come up with low doses, preferring to top up.
I'm pretty sure I didn't drink so much that I'd have felt at all strange if just on 4-FA, but I can't say for sure due to having no idea how much I actually drank. At no time did I feel overheated or have a worrying heart beat, and I was somewhat anxious due to never trying this combination before, all of which might have added to my feelings of strangeness.
In spite of all I've said, the 4-FA and MDMA combination was really, really nice while it lasted. Just be careful with your dosages, and remember the 4-FA will totally outlive the MDMA with regards to stimulation. I'd not be at all surprised to learn the stimmy tail end of the MDMA added to the tail end of the 4-FA for additional jittery longevity, but my intoxicated mind found it increasingly hard to tell. I think when dosed more appropriately, this could be a particularly special combination.
