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4-aco-dmt vs other 4's

CRICKETBEE

CRICKETBEE

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This is not a what should I take thread, more of a question of how different 4-ho-dipt, 4-ho-mipt are than 4-aco-dmt.

I keep hearing (possibly incorrectly) that the 4-aco's and 4-ho's are all similar to psilocin (sp?) but I have read that 4-aco-dmt may be exactly psilocin.

this would lead me to believe that 4-aco-dmt (which i have tried) would be the MOST like mushrooms with other 4-ho's and 4-aco's being close but not as close and their uniqueness coming from just how different they are. (4-aco-met has a very distinct feel)

I found 4-aco-dmt to be insanely intense at high levels (33mg) and when I compare that to 4-aco-met or 4-aco-det which were both great but more mild, I wonder if 4-ho-mipt and 4-ho-dipt are more similar than different.


any thoughts?

thanks
 
I'm very interested in 4-ACO-DMT, if it is as similar to the psilocilin/psilocybin experience as people say that'd almost be preferable for me because I don't really like eating large amounts of mushrooms, gotta mix them with other food. I wonder if it's similar to the synthetic Psilocybin that was popular during the 60's in the Leary/Harvard experiment years etc.
 
I find Psilacetin (4-aco-dmt) and Miprocin (4-ho-mipt) to be very different. Both are very intense in ther own way but Miprocin is less forgiving and gentle. It feels more mentally intense but less deep/profound than psilacetin if that makes sense. It generally has alot more side effects that make it overall much less desirable than the 4-aco-dmt. This is all IMO. YMMV as always!

I have Iprocin as well but I haven't found time to try it. Definitely soon though. I'm hoping that I like it more than the miprocin. Maybe at some point I'll try to write a detailed review about these 3 tryptamines and the major and subtle differences I experience between them.
 
I've tried Iprocetyl (4-AcO-DiPT), and I prefer 4-AcO-DMT by a wide margin. the AcO MET & DET are also both pretty awesome, but not quite as deep as their dimethyl cousin. Of the latter two I think I prefer MET, it had really distinctive Ralph Steadman-esque visuals and a useful but not overly disorienting headspace. I've also found psilacetin to be the most potent of the chemicals mentioned. 30mg of 4-AcO-DMT would have me really really spun, whereas on 30mg of AcO-DiPT, MET, DET I would be fine to be in a bar or other relaxed social setting.
 
Delta-9-THC said:
I find Psilacetin (4-aco-dmt) and Miprocin (4-ho-mipt) to be very different. Both are very intense in ther own way but Miprocin is less forgiving and gentle. It feels more mentally intense but less deep/profound than psilacetin if that makes sense. It generally has alot more side effects that make it overall much less desirable than the 4-aco-dmt. This is all IMO. YMMV as always!

I have Iprocin as well but I haven't found time to try it. Definitely soon though. I'm hoping that I like it more than the miprocin. Maybe at some point I'll try to write a detailed review about these 3 tryptamines and the major and subtle differences I experience between them.
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I pretty much agree with this but we also agreed in the 4-ho-mipt thread. This is my same exact experience too.

4-ho-dipt now, I don't think it's worth it. I've tried it a few times now and it just doesn't do it for me.
 
I haven't read of any harsh side effects about 4-AcO-DMT, but I've read a trip report on for instance 4-HO-MET where a guy's urine turned dark, and weeks later is still dark. He correlated it with the intake of 4-HO-MET. Another for 4-HO-DiPT put me away from wanting to try it. But I still may.

It'd be kind of cool if there was a job, that required this kind of research. (Taking the drugs. Experiencing. Reporting.)

I will be, hopefully, trying some 4-AcO-DMT soon. Could be tomorrow (today), depending on how fast the mail goes. Man, I just realized that.
 
4-aco-dmt seems to be by far the one of the most well-tolerated substituted tryptamines. My general viewpoint is that it's essentially a psilocin prodrug. Some people think the 4-AcO compound may be active but it sure doesn't last long in the body before being broken to 4-ho.
 
It's not correct that all 4-subs are psilocin-like. Take for example 4-AcO-DPT/4-HO-DPT (qualitatively they are one and the same, 4-AcO-DPT just requires a slightly higher dose), they lean more towards DPT than 4-HO-DMT. What's especially remarkable about 4-HO-DPT is the extremely rapid onset (insufflated). It takes less than a minute to hit you and fully immerse you. The visuals and bodyload are unlike any other 4-subs, not to mention the strong sensation of ego loss even in moderate doses. I've never learned to like DPT but its 4-subs rank among my all time favourite psychedelics. Very introspective and deep, not especially recreational but without being as mentally rough as DPT (probably the only psychedelic I am very apprehensive about touching anymore purely because it's so goddamn freaky).

4-AcO-DMT is of course going to be more or less shroom-like, as it's a psilocin analogue. However in my quite extensive experiences with it, I think it it's a bit shroom-like, a bit like a low dose of DMT yet still having unique properties.
 
4-HO-DPT. I touched on that one in my recent reading... But nothing stood out. I'll give it another look. I have wanted to find a source for DPT, but am still waiting. Off to read...
 
twentysix said:
4-HO-DPT. I touched on that one in my recent reading... But nothing stood out. I'll give it another look. I have wanted to find a source for DPT, but am still waiting. Off to read...
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I'm actually very surprised Shulgin mentions 4-HO-DPT in TiHKAL as barely active if at all. 50 mg insufflated is a strong trip and 100 mg earth-shattering. Be prepared for some serious ego dissolution if you decide to try it. There's very little information available about it although there's a thread about it here in BL, I've made a few posts in the thread.

DPT, I don't even know where to begin. It's sinister. Vile. Grotesque. While there are some members here who think it is easy to manage, I think it's still better to be prepared for experiences like I and many others have. I regard it as even stronger than DMT or 5-MeO-DMT due to its duration (insufflated). It doesn't skyrocket you into hyperspace but it messes with your mind in ways unimaginable. If DPT decides you're a little teenage girl, you damn sure are one. If it decides you're a naked transvestite prostitute you damn sure will be one. If it decides you're a gorilla in a jungle you damn sure will be one. And you'll eat those fucking bananas in the jungle whether you like it or not. The stuff is beyond bizarre.
 
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