EDIT: Grief, sorry about length. Hope it's readable enough 
Tripped for the second time on this fantastic stuff yesterday morning in less-than-scientific circumstances (pretty mashed from the warehouse project) and reaffirmed my belief that it's my favourite hallucinogen (over acid, shrooms, 2C-B, -C, and -I, AMT, and 5-MeO-MIPT). Here's what I said elsewhere about my first trip:
This second trip was pretty different. We had an 80mg bag between two of us and started out with a 10mg line each, at around 6-7am (times are very hazy, we don't tend to look at clocks much at rave afterparties). This proceeded to hit me in a totally different way to the oral 20mg last weekend. It felt for all the world like I should be visually tripping pretty hard - the pressure on my eyeballs and around my brain that I generally associate with seeing pretty weird stuff. There was nothing but a strange staticy haze around certain patterns and some colour changes, though. Mentally also it was a very different experience to last time, I was pretty disjointed - took me several attempts (getting stuff out and then forgetting what I was doing only to find 15 minutes later that I'd been trying to roll a spliff) to actually manage it, though the end result was pretty satisfying. I was having reasonably free-flowing conversations but I would quite often lapse into the confusion that I associate with shrooms.
About an hour or two later we snorted another line. It was meant to be another 10mg but it looked about twice the size, scales aren't fully functioning and transferring tiny amounts of powder when fucked is treacherous. Came up off this quite a bit better, still not many visuals but I started to notice the CEVs again and have a better time. Memories start to go a bit hazy around this point, we were just chilling in a mate's bedroom with a good few people, talking, smoking weed and having the occasional line of K to make things interesting.
At around 9-10am we decided that we'd just get the rest of the bag over with and parachuted the remaining 4-AcO-DMT in equal bombs. Could've been anywhere from 10-25mg each. About an hour later as this was hitting us we went outside to the shops - a mission sounded pretty good to us and people wanted refreshments. When we stepped outside we were simply blown away by nature - the morning sun was streaming across the park over the road and everything was sharper than reality should allow. We'd just had a pretty decent line of K so walking was interesting but we didn't want to go anywhere fast. The bushes were greener than green, the bricks were a shade of red that you can't find on a palette.
When we got to the supermarket the K had fully mashed us and the automatic doors weren't letting us in - the staff were gesturing at us through the glass but we weren't able to comprehend. We sat down at the side of the road, one I know so well but which now looked completely different, and decided to go to my house to pick up nitrous and some bong seals. We stayed there for a few minutes and then headed back to the supermarket, still marvelling at life as it glowed gently at us. The wind was pretty biting but I wasn't bothered by the cold.
We were a lot more together when we got there, and this time we could get in. Shopping in the supermarket was incredibly surreal - we wandered the aisles for a long time giggling and avoiding people who looked far too sober. I managed to remember the 6-strong shopping list, it seems that memory techniques can be victorious over ketamine, but the whole endeavour was quite an effort. It took several prompts by the clerk to get me through the purchasing process - poor girl, far too early on a Sunday morning to have to deal with the likes of us! Nevertheless we got through it and made our way back to my mates'.
At this point (midday or so) things started to wind down, everyone else who wasn't tripping was ready for bed and we were getting tired as well as starting to trip less. We did quite a bit of nitrous and then considered going our separate ways. My girlfriend was getting out of work at 2pm (she'd had a 3 hour shift the morning after our big night out, and had had a meagre amount of sleep) and she was coming back to mine to sleep/cuddle/get stoned. I went home, via the local shops, and confirmed that I was barely tripping at all now, just a strong background body buzz. Once I got home I started to find this quite unpleasant, and thankfully a shower made me feel almost human again. I fell asleep at about 4pm once my girlfriend had returned.
All in all, this trip was vastly different from the previous one, though it definitely had the same physical feel to it it was a lot less visual and a lot more mental. Factors that could have affected this are;
I think I've also learnt a bit about redosing this stuff - the fact that I was pretty much 'down' at 1pm would suggest that it doesn't affect duration that much but it does increase the intensity pretty effectively. The gross unscientificness of the whole trip means I can't draw any firm conclusions, though. I'm definitely up for trying in far more controlled conditions. Probably another 20mg bomb when sober, to see if the excellent first experience was a one-off or if I can recreate it.
Yesterday morning wasn't quite as stellar as last time for me, but I still had a great time and some great conversations with people (going inside myself to explain exactly what my muscles are doing when I do Chinese stress balls was incredible fun too). Still my favourite hallucinogen so far!
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Tripped for the second time on this fantastic stuff yesterday morning in less-than-scientific circumstances (pretty mashed from the warehouse project) and reaffirmed my belief that it's my favourite hallucinogen (over acid, shrooms, 2C-B, -C, and -I, AMT, and 5-MeO-MIPT). Here's what I said elsewhere about my first trip:
"after a completely failed first attempt (blaming it on illness, dehydration, and acid cross-tolerance) my trip the other morning (on around 20mg? Not more than 22) was fantastic, the body load was non-existent and the visuals were effortless while my mind stayed clear. I could focus precisely on wallpaper patterns as they were moving and if they did something that disobeyed the laws of physics they would just meld into the new shape rather than dissolving under close study which I find tends to happen on 2Cs.
"The come-up is also very fast and surprising, I was beginning to wonder if this time was going to go the same way as the last, then I felt a bit funny and all of a sudden I was fully tripping (though I suspect a balloon of nitrous and a bong hit may have had something to do with that). For the first couple of hours of the trip the OEVs were all-encompassing, the awesome wallpaper in BongFish2's living room was doing wild things and I was marvelling at anything and everything. When we left the house for a cross-city ride I was able to fully function through the tripping and when we got to our destination the OEVs had significantly calmed down and the CEVs started. I don't know if it was triggered by ketamine or merely enhanced but for about an hour I could close my eyes and see a small TV-ish screen cut out in the blackness of my eyelids (PiHKAL's 'brain movies'? A good enough description), showing all sorts of crazy stuff - at one point I was seeing rhinos in psychedelic fractal dresses dancing on their hind legs on a plain as drawn by a 4 year old 8) The CEVs kept going until I went to bed about 7 or 8 hours after I'd dosed.
"I was expecting something far more mind-intensive like shrooms, and this was nothing of the kind - it was a really gentle trip but with insane visuals that I really, really enjoyed. I could concentrate on the hallucinations and hold a decent conversation with ease. Don't know if I can really recommend this any further, I'd definitely be interested in trying it some more."
"The come-up is also very fast and surprising, I was beginning to wonder if this time was going to go the same way as the last, then I felt a bit funny and all of a sudden I was fully tripping (though I suspect a balloon of nitrous and a bong hit may have had something to do with that). For the first couple of hours of the trip the OEVs were all-encompassing, the awesome wallpaper in BongFish2's living room was doing wild things and I was marvelling at anything and everything. When we left the house for a cross-city ride I was able to fully function through the tripping and when we got to our destination the OEVs had significantly calmed down and the CEVs started. I don't know if it was triggered by ketamine or merely enhanced but for about an hour I could close my eyes and see a small TV-ish screen cut out in the blackness of my eyelids (PiHKAL's 'brain movies'? A good enough description), showing all sorts of crazy stuff - at one point I was seeing rhinos in psychedelic fractal dresses dancing on their hind legs on a plain as drawn by a 4 year old 8) The CEVs kept going until I went to bed about 7 or 8 hours after I'd dosed.
"I was expecting something far more mind-intensive like shrooms, and this was nothing of the kind - it was a really gentle trip but with insane visuals that I really, really enjoyed. I could concentrate on the hallucinations and hold a decent conversation with ease. Don't know if I can really recommend this any further, I'd definitely be interested in trying it some more."
This second trip was pretty different. We had an 80mg bag between two of us and started out with a 10mg line each, at around 6-7am (times are very hazy, we don't tend to look at clocks much at rave afterparties). This proceeded to hit me in a totally different way to the oral 20mg last weekend. It felt for all the world like I should be visually tripping pretty hard - the pressure on my eyeballs and around my brain that I generally associate with seeing pretty weird stuff. There was nothing but a strange staticy haze around certain patterns and some colour changes, though. Mentally also it was a very different experience to last time, I was pretty disjointed - took me several attempts (getting stuff out and then forgetting what I was doing only to find 15 minutes later that I'd been trying to roll a spliff) to actually manage it, though the end result was pretty satisfying. I was having reasonably free-flowing conversations but I would quite often lapse into the confusion that I associate with shrooms.
About an hour or two later we snorted another line. It was meant to be another 10mg but it looked about twice the size, scales aren't fully functioning and transferring tiny amounts of powder when fucked is treacherous. Came up off this quite a bit better, still not many visuals but I started to notice the CEVs again and have a better time. Memories start to go a bit hazy around this point, we were just chilling in a mate's bedroom with a good few people, talking, smoking weed and having the occasional line of K to make things interesting.
At around 9-10am we decided that we'd just get the rest of the bag over with and parachuted the remaining 4-AcO-DMT in equal bombs. Could've been anywhere from 10-25mg each. About an hour later as this was hitting us we went outside to the shops - a mission sounded pretty good to us and people wanted refreshments. When we stepped outside we were simply blown away by nature - the morning sun was streaming across the park over the road and everything was sharper than reality should allow. We'd just had a pretty decent line of K so walking was interesting but we didn't want to go anywhere fast. The bushes were greener than green, the bricks were a shade of red that you can't find on a palette.
When we got to the supermarket the K had fully mashed us and the automatic doors weren't letting us in - the staff were gesturing at us through the glass but we weren't able to comprehend. We sat down at the side of the road, one I know so well but which now looked completely different, and decided to go to my house to pick up nitrous and some bong seals. We stayed there for a few minutes and then headed back to the supermarket, still marvelling at life as it glowed gently at us. The wind was pretty biting but I wasn't bothered by the cold.
We were a lot more together when we got there, and this time we could get in. Shopping in the supermarket was incredibly surreal - we wandered the aisles for a long time giggling and avoiding people who looked far too sober. I managed to remember the 6-strong shopping list, it seems that memory techniques can be victorious over ketamine, but the whole endeavour was quite an effort. It took several prompts by the clerk to get me through the purchasing process - poor girl, far too early on a Sunday morning to have to deal with the likes of us! Nevertheless we got through it and made our way back to my mates'.
At this point (midday or so) things started to wind down, everyone else who wasn't tripping was ready for bed and we were getting tired as well as starting to trip less. We did quite a bit of nitrous and then considered going our separate ways. My girlfriend was getting out of work at 2pm (she'd had a 3 hour shift the morning after our big night out, and had had a meagre amount of sleep) and she was coming back to mine to sleep/cuddle/get stoned. I went home, via the local shops, and confirmed that I was barely tripping at all now, just a strong background body buzz. Once I got home I started to find this quite unpleasant, and thankfully a shower made me feel almost human again. I fell asleep at about 4pm once my girlfriend had returned.
All in all, this trip was vastly different from the previous one, though it definitely had the same physical feel to it it was a lot less visual and a lot more mental. Factors that could have affected this are;
- Having taken a gelcap of 275mg of methylone at about midnight that I never came up off properly (I don't think gelcaps dissolve properly in my stomach or something, I've had problems like this before) and then a pill at 2-3am. I came up off something at about quarter past 4 though I'd just acquired some K too, I definitely felt the full effects of neither the MDMA or the methylone, though I was pretty chatty all through the early morning. EDIT - Oh, and I'd had small quantities of insufflated methylone, coke, ritalin and K before going out that night, but I don't think they affected me too much.
- Snorting the initial dose rather than parachuting it - I definitely feel that the method of administration affects the trip, though I'm not sure if it can be blamed for the whole thing.
- The fact that last weekend when I took it, I'd just come out of a very unintentional walking k-hole or very close to it - I'd lost all pattern recognition and everyone was a faceless blob. Ended up losing everyone and being unable to phone for help but managed to get in a taxi while I slowly came out of it. I'm always in a very strange mental place when I've just k-holed, so maybe it was last time that was the out-of-the-ordinary trip and this time was more usual. That would be a shame.
I think I've also learnt a bit about redosing this stuff - the fact that I was pretty much 'down' at 1pm would suggest that it doesn't affect duration that much but it does increase the intensity pretty effectively. The gross unscientificness of the whole trip means I can't draw any firm conclusions, though. I'm definitely up for trying in far more controlled conditions. Probably another 20mg bomb when sober, to see if the excellent first experience was a one-off or if I can recreate it.
Yesterday morning wasn't quite as stellar as last time for me, but I still had a great time and some great conversations with people (going inside myself to explain exactly what my muscles are doing when I do Chinese stress balls was incredible fun too). Still my favourite hallucinogen so far!
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