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4-aco-dmt highest dose

I'll change man enough to brave enough in your case. :) This chem is always a quick ride for me. 3 hours and I'm almost always near baseline. I've been pretty bad with nitrous too. These days I won't buy more than two boxes at a time and I save them for when I'm going to trip. Definitely all about laying down though. Staring at the ceiling can be a religious experience. :P
 
It is becoming more and more apparent just how differently people react to this substance. I think Shulgin was on to something with it cnverting into psilocin in the body, but people metabolize and convert it at different rates, leaving some people with fast intense and short trips and others with slower more drawn out trips. It seems to take 45 mins to hit me and anything less than 17 mg is less than stellar. My friend took 25 mg and reading about how it hits everyone so quickly an hour later decided to eyebal a bit less than half of another 25 mg capsule, so roughly 35 mg. He felt another reality superimposed over our own. There were these beings that were contemplating whether or not to "scrap the experiment" while at the same time tring to communicate with hin to help the survival of humanity. And somehow it was all tied into some galactic garage sale....


I can say for this that I felt on Ayahuasca that a vine of some sort that I induced (for some reason I thought mimosa hostilis at the time was a vine probably because of caapi, this is before I really knew what I was getting my self into) Anyway I thought this vine was evolved from an alien species of cthulu and that it had ripped out my soul. I remember waiting tentatively for my soul to be returned to me. I think at this point I was just ready to stop tripping because I kept tripping things that just didn't make any sense.

Another example being, the guy I watched on my girlfriend's laptop screen walking down a path in a beautiful meadow while I was explaining to her that what I had gotten myself into was serious business and that it was not about fun and games-- ayahuasca became known to me as something special and very dear because it provided a feeling of connectedness to the rest of the world and the resulting feelings were not really recreational; I felt as though I had trampled on somebody's beliefs and I felt like an ass.

On the other hand, the intense visuals, seeing my girlfriend's face take on a different texture than skin, the guy walking down the meadow before I said "tread carefully down this path" and also the full spectrum of colors that I saw in a single amber color monitor speaker LED were very very enjoyable :D

I have to say for 4-aco-dmt by comparison 20-25MG was definitely getting there, and I'm waffling as to whether or not my experience with ayahuasca was too intense or not. It was very special, I think to some degree 4-aco-dmt was *KINDA* like mushrooms, but the geometry of the visual hallucinations and thoughts and feelings were certainly much more like ayahuasca for me.

Another feeling that I had from the ayahuasca that was pretty intense and interesting was that my physical existence had become ambiguously designed compared to humanity; I was basically no longer human and I had recalled the alien species of vine, and it occured to me that it was growing inside of my brain.

Needless to say, I really wanna go there again and explore those thoughts a little more though the foul taste of ayahuasca was so unpleasant. I'm aware that these are two completely different substances, but I'm wondering.... perhaps maybe 4-aco-dmt with an MAOI such as syrian rue? Maybe its time to start a new thread....
 
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Regarding personal differences in effectiveness

25 mg for me all at once was nearly overwhelming yet rewarding, A dose I could handle well after some trials nearer to 18-20 mg but I can see 25 mg being my "strong dose" zone until i'll have tried it maybe a dozen time then that should be common territory.

I had good luck with boosting my dose, taking 7 mg then another 7 mg as soon as the first dose was changing my perception. it's a rather low (and some may tout ineffective) dose but it was above a museum level dose including certain visuals and a change of extreme vastness to the world around me. kind of like mckennas description of his first time on psilocybin mushrooms where he explains an effect of the drug to avail you to the expanse of the world you are living in.

This chemical is so friendly in many ways I would be comfortable dosing 30-40 mg of it in the perfect setting. and i'd probably come back with alot to say about it but it is very welcoming, a new ally :)
 
I was also wondering about the seizure. I herd another report of someone seizuring out at a phish show after ingesting 4-aco-dmt. It feels very safe and non nero-toxic, but the reports about the seizures leaves me a little uneasy.

Personally for me the highest i went was 25 oral. I thought about 50mgs but havent had the time or the serious want to trip lately.

That was me at the Phish show. There were other factors contributing to that seizure; on Friday night I was at the bars until 2 am, slept until 9 am Saturday then drove to Amherst, MA for the shows. On Saturday night I consumed ~250 mg MDA and partied until the sun came up. I got maybe an hour of sleep that night. On Sunday night I consumed over 40 mg 4-AcO-DMT, went to the Phish show, and had a seizure while coming up. After looking me over, the EMTs allowed me to return to the show. I only missed one song.

I had the seizure because I fed an exhausted and undernourished body and mind a large dose of 4-AcO-DMT, and then went to a chaotic area with loud music and strobe lights.

I have since taken 4-AcO-DMT at similar doses, but in a much more controlled setting, with no ill consequences.
 
THink this needs to be merged in the 4-AcO-DMT thread, but to answer your question - I've taken it up to 40mg which was prety fucking intense, visually and mentally.

Have read a thread where someone swallowed a bag with 500mg in it coz the cops pulle him over, and it burst I think - look out for that one.
 
I have done 39 mgs of 4-aco-dmt as my highest dose. After I swallowed the capsule, I took a 10 minute walk over to see some friends, and during that walk I did several large bumps of ketamine.

The experience that ensued was the most blissful euphoric amazingly psychedelic experience I have probably had to date. I saw a hand come out of the sky and it went into my mouth and then I felt it fill up my whole being with the energy of love and light....I spent the next 6 hours compeltely overcome with ecstatic joy and love for my fellow human (which there were lots of since i was at a festival).

My body was totally comfortable the whole time, no badness whatsoever at all. I think adding ketamine to 4-aco-DMT is probably one of the best combinations EVER.
 
took 60-70 mg's about 220mg Methylone and about 2 grams of shrooms throughout the course of one night and felt phenomenal. No difficulty in the experience other then the initial comeup which was brought by about 25mg of 4-aco-dmt.

On it's own the most I've taken was 40mg and it was one of the most psychedelic and amazing experiences of my life. As was the experience mentioned prior to this of course lol.

Just keep in mind that 4-aco-dmt has a pretty steep curve as far as mg-potency.
 
I would actually suppose that the curve is very linear, my 13 mg trip was quite apparent and a decent trip where as my 25 mg trip was still tolerable in many ways, I could assume I could take 30 mg in the right setting and have nothing but a good time... only this summer will tell for sure though!
 
Snorting it is a good way to get the dose right. You can come up in 5-20 min so take a dose your used to and then take another 5mg or whatever you are comfortable with every half hour until you get the dose right. It's a nice way to push yourself to go further. I recently took around 80mg this way after never doing more than 30mg and had a good experience. I was quite tolerant at the time and during the trip I was convinced I wasn't getting any visuals and that's the reason I kept doing more. Looking back on it though, it definitely was visual but I was just too familiar with this state to really notice it.
 
Just out of curiousity and I don't expect an answer or anything though I'm curious if you have a medical condition that is related to the siezure you had?

Also now that I think of it I think that I had a little bit of one on 20 while I was asleep, facial muscles were twitching and caused me to awaken and I was having trouble waking up as well (sleep paralysis)

Also has anyone else experienced sleepiness from any DMT? Its been awhile and I remember very little but like 4-ACO-DMT I believe Ayahuasca also made me sleepy.
The only 2 seizures I've ever had were both on seperate mushroom trips so I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities to say that 4-aco-dmt might be capable of such action.
That being said, I've never had one single negative side effect on 4-aco-dmt besides vasoconstriction which all 5h2a agonists cause me. And I have pushed the dose up to 100 mg ( I cannot recommend this for most).
 
I had several 20 mg capsules sitting around, a good dose for most people, that I had been giving to friends. I started off eating 1, an hour or so went by and I wasn't satisfied with where I was at so I ate 2 more for a total of 60 mg.

Terrible mistake. I didn't even trip much, I got the worst feeling like I needed to vomit but couldn't make it happen. I just kept belching horribly for hours. And my motor control was weakened as if I was robotripping or seriously drunk. I was also very cold, or at least that was my perception. Not pleasant.

Not counting my allergy test, my first time was 30 mg plus 150 mg MDMA and that was my first and so far only ++++. At a concert. An experience I am grateful for but wouldn't wish to repeat.
 
I had several 20 mg capsules sitting around, a good dose for most people, that I had been giving to friends. I started off eating 1, an hour or so went by and I wasn't satisfied with where I was at so I ate 2 more for a total of 60 mg.

Terrible mistake. I didn't even trip much, I got the worst feeling like I needed to vomit but couldn't make it happen. I just kept belching horribly for hours. And my motor control was weakened as if I was robotripping or seriously drunk. I was also very cold, or at least that was my perception. Not pleasant.

Not counting my allergy test, my first time was 30 mg plus 150 mg MDMA and that was my first and so far only ++++. At a concert. An experience I am grateful for but wouldn't wish to repeat.

I put mine into honey then into gel caps and I never have any stomach issues, and this is an old school way to preserve shrooms so I believe it would be good for psilocin as well.
 
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