4 ACO DMT brown resin

[madaC]

Ollie, your 20mg trip sounds a lot like my higher dose trips-but I've never had that sort of confusion from a 20mg dose. That effect definitely can occur with 4-aco.

I have had crazy potentiation of several trips when combining with noortropics, specifically piracetam and choline. I'm not sure how the ones you listed interact with psychedelics, but that might be an avenue of investigation to pursue. Amphetamine has been listed as potentiating lsd if I remember correctly, so it's not unthinkable it might also have an effect on a tryptamine drug. The dose seems awfully low for that, though.

Are you confident in your scales?

 

[ollie66]

Ollie, your 20mg trip sounds a lot like my higher dose trips-but I've never had that sort of confusion from a 20mg dose. That effect definitely can occur with 4-aco.

I have had crazy potentiation of several trips when combining with noortropics, specifically piracetam and choline. I'm not sure how the ones you listed interact with psychedelics, but that might be an avenue of investigation to pursue. Amphetamine has been listed as potentiating lsd if I remember correctly, so it's not unthinkable it might also have an effect on a tryptamine drug. The dose seems awfully low for that, though.

Are you confident in your scales?

I had 108mg and i put it in 100ml of purified water, and its been in my freezer.

I left it out for awhile because it took forever to defrost because of the thermos its in.

So i poured out 20ml and drank it, and 30 mins later thats what ended up happening. Its really strange because like i said
15mg didnt do much at all, but 20mg totally blew my mind in a way i have never experienced.

 

[freaktech]

maybe the solution wasn't well distributed and 20 ml had a concentration higher than expected (more than 20 mg). It's posible?

 

[twelvesevndi]

maybe the solution wasn't well distributed and 20 ml had a concentration higher than expected (more than 20 mg). It's posible?

that would be my guess. my poorly synthed 4-aco-dmt does not dissolve well in water. and if the solution was in a slushy half-frozen state then the liquid part probably had a higher concentration than expected.

(please someone jump in if I'm mis-remembering my chemistry)

 

[ollie66]

that would be my guess. my poorly synthed 4-aco-dmt does not dissolve well in water. and if the solution was in a slushy half-frozen state then the liquid part probably had a higher concentration than expected.

(please someone jump in if I'm mis-remembering my chemistry)

It was about 1/3 unfrozen, you really think it wasnt actually 20mg despite being 20ml?

I figured as long as it was dissolved there was no way it couldnt be exact.

 

[twelvesevndi]

It was about 1/3 unfrozen, you really think it wasnt actually 20mg despite being 20ml?

I figured as long as it was dissolved there was no way it couldnt be exact.

well one of the things you learn early on in chemistry classes is that the melting point of a liquid is affected by the addition of a solute. This is why salt-water freezes at temperatures below 0° C / 32° F; this is why salt is thrown on ice, the addition of a solute lowers the melting point of the ice.

my hypothesis here is that your solution settled in the freezer and that, with the aid of gravity, a concentration gradient quickly developed in your solution such that liquid in the bottom of the container had a higher concentration of 4-aco-dmt than liquid in the top. I'm assuming the material in question is not very soluble in the first place. When the solution was defrosted, the solution at the bottom melted first due to having a higher concentration of solute (4-aco-dmt), and it was that relatively high-potency liquid that you had 20 mL of.

perhaps someone with practical experience in this area will like to chime in tho.

as for amphetamine. i have had a bad experience taking 18 mg of 4-AcO-DMT 6 hours after 20 mg of generic adderall. That was just intense bad feelings and anxiety tho. I lay in bed for about four hours with little incident.