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(4-aco-DMT/125mg )attempt at "ego-death"

JustinD0769

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I'll begin my report by offering some background information... I'm a 21 year old male, 130-140lbs, with a LOT of experience with illegal street drugs (cocaine, opiates, marijuana, etc) but comparatively limited experience with psychedelics.

I've taken maybe 15-20 extremely weak hits of lsd (I'm assuming...it was sold as LSD, but the effects were minimal compared to what I've read about it) at least one true hit of LSD, 2-3 experiences with 2c-t-7, 2c-e, 2c-i, a couple mushroom trips ranging from a gram to an 1/8th gram, a couple trips with LSA via HBWR seeds (ranging from 8 to 14) and an unknown psychedelic sold on blotter paper with the street name "Wax." So I could I would be considered to have light to moderate experience with psychedelics? (Correct me if I'm mistaken plz!)

So yesterday, around 3~4, I had a 125mg bag of 4-aco-DMT. I now have an empty, slightly chewed up bag.This is the 2nd time I've purchased this product from this vendor, along with a couple 2c-x orders, some methylone, and some MDPV... My first trip with 4-aco-DMT was mild, around 10-15 mg, basically a test run to get a feel for the substance, it's frequency, and potency. I've also had one other trip that I shared with two roommates, again not much more than 15mgs. Both roommates, not having done psychedelics in a while, found the experience to be emotionally difficult, while the only difficulty I experienced in this trip was having to settle them two down.

After some drama with them a couple weeks down the road, my remaining 3-400mgs (My first trips came from a 500mg order) were stolen, along with several hundred dollars of electronics... (needless to say, they are no longer my roommates.)

So two days ago, my order came in, and I decided to spent Thursday preparing for my trip, setting up the house with lights, music, etc. The day finally came, and at about 4-5pm I ingested anywhere from a quarter to a little less than half the bag, after reading multiple successful, positive trip reports from doses around 40mgs. Within an hour or so, I had a headspace very reminiscent to mild MDMA, with almost all negative emotions being replaced by empathy and understanding. "Extremely gentle" is an EXCELLENT description for this psychedelic, as there was NO negative physical effects. No lethargy, no anxiety, no nausea. In fact, before the 4-aco-dmt took effect, I was extremely physically exhausted, to the point of being sore all over. Visuals were comparable to a little over an 1/8th oz. of psilocybe cubensis, but not quite powerful enough for my tastes (though i've had maybe 10 psychedelic trips over the past 2 years, with my latest trip being at least a month before present experience, I've had a few "oops" moments with accidentally snorting too much 2c-t-7, and one trip with LSA in which I actually accepted the notion that I was probably going to die from the vasoconstriction before it was all said and done...)

After a little more reading, I came across several reports mentioning effects I've never experienced on any psychedelic... ego-death, my body collapsing into itself, etc. etc. I became intensely curious... I went back to my supply, and snorted another 20mg or so, around 6pm. Within half an hour, I was tripping absolute balls, but everything still seemed...sane? logical? The visuals had intensified to a level I've never experienced before, at least in aesthetic value. (The night I accidentally took too much 2c-t-7, I could wave my arm in front of my face, and I would lose vision for 2-3 seconds from the tracers... but overall the hallucinations were just sorta there, they didn't have the beauty, imagination, clarity, etc that 4-aco-DMT offers at much weaker levels of visuals) Unsatisfied, I snorted half the remainder of the bag, and ate the other half, bag and all, at approximately 8pm

Although my level of "understanding" was magnified unbelievably, I still did not experience the realization of the infinite oneness of everything, etc etc etc) though I did have a very strong mental image of our civilization as a single living entity, a collective consciousness equal to a child slowly developing in an infinitesimal speck (I kept picturing fungal spores, lol) of our universe, but part of a much greater system, similar to the organelles in a muscle cell being part of a much larger, more advanced system.

I was asking for a bad trip. I was begging to experience ego-death. To have my known world twisted and shattered and dissolved into an entirely mental state. I had read on one report from many people that a dose over 100mgs of 4-aco-DMT would have them in a near catatonic state, begging for it to stop. Never happened... the only signs of a "bad" trip were these horrid, disgusting images of pornography occasionally creeping into my CEVs (possibly due to a recent break-up of a very serious relationship with an older woman who turned out to be a bit of a whore, and my disgust with the twisted forms sexuality has taken in our culture, since I regard sex as a very emotional, spiritual action. Or possibly due to my extended self-activities day before? Who knows.) Normally, I'm kinda prone to having bad trips with higher levels of psychedelics, but at one point I thought to myself, "What's the point of a bad trip? To teach one a lesson." I already knew everything I needed to know, it seemed, being connected to some sort of energy, truth. Except for grand realization I was referring to earlier that seems so prominent with high tryptamine doses, particular DMT. (which I now HAVE to experience, without a doubt.)

At one point, the sky was no longer a black void with white stars, but had just as much texture as the ground below me, but luxuriously smooth. There were massive patterns of energies swirling about in 3d... it's hard to put into words, but easily the most beautiful visuals I've ever experienced. The sky was like a thick silk comforter, with the stars embedded in various curves and folds.

For the most part, indoor hallucinations have usually been less complex than what nature provides, with everything remaining relatively in place, but with designs/colors coming off of objects in the room, particularly edges. Reading the trip reports on large flat screen, sections of the TV would start sliding down while other sections would slide off to the side. It reminded me of DXM's visuals in a sense, but with certain parts of my vision seeming to constantly move up/down/etc, instead of my whole field of vision.


Music became absolutely ridiculous to listen to... anything with a heavy beat or rhythm induced an almost uncontrollable desire to move, dance, headbanging with it... Classical music was irresistably fun, humorous, but still beautiful. I was giggling uncontrollably a good portion of the trip, occasionally screaming in joy with uncontrollable giddiness of it all.

Although I do NOT recommend attempting this sort of dose to ANYONE, because like I said, I've seen people take a 1/5th of what I took and have rough experiences... this was easily one of my best, most intense, yet "easiest" trips I've ever experienced. AND the most insightful. I realized that growing up with basically unlimited freedoms (my mother always trusted me to make the right decisions, and other than consuming lots of drugs (which I didn't see as a "bad decision" necessarily, until a couple years ago when I realized I had spent over 16,000$ with friend of mine on our cocaine use over the course of about 8 months. Kept decent grades, never did anything else illegal, but never spent money on much else... lesson learned) and this free, open exploration of the world did amazing things for the development of my character, but also led to a strong dependence on the immediate, extrinsic rewards in life (money, "fun", etc) and a total rejection of most of our current systems (public education, capitalism/money/banks, government/nationalism/politics, religion. etc) which basically destroyed my intrinsic motivations to advance myself further in life, and without intrinsic motivation, success as a person is challenged, as money and good times can only do so much to drive my self-development forward.

Oh, yeah, I think this may be my first post. Not sure, I've been reading on bluelight for a while now, but don't think I've ever contributed. So...

Hello everyone! :D
 
At one point, I closed my eyes, and it "felt" like I was floating through space, light years away from earth, to where our solar system was again, just a speck in the grand scheme of things, but once again, part of a greater network that my brain simply could not understand the significance of/reason for. But it was definitely obvious that there WAS a purpose to everything, just couldn't figure ours out.

Definitely my favorite psychedelic so far, with LSD offering some potential as being more favorable, if only I could get a high enough dose of true LSD.
 
Ok, that's a nutty high dose man; But, it's comforting that you're still with us to inform us about it.

Two Points

1> More of a Psychedelic != a Better Trip. Often times less is more.

2> In most cases and people, from my own experience and reading others, you cannot control a trip to achieve a purpose. You can choose the set & setting which will greatly affect the trip... but, you cannot choose a trip. The mind is a funny thing really... perhaps just my mind.

"You will not find that which you seek. It is when you stop looking that you will discover." ~ Me

Of course, much of this is composed of generalizations and opinions. Take it for what it's worth... just that.
 
I've had a few "oops" moments with accidentally snorting too much 2c-t-7
Snorting 2C-T-7 is very dangerous, especially in high doses, people have died doing this. If you must do it, please exercise more caution.
 
At one point, I closed my eyes, and it "felt" like I was floating through space, light years away from earth, to where our solar system was again, just a speck in the grand scheme of things, but once again, part of a greater network that my brain simply could not understand the significance of/reason for. But it was definitely obvious that there WAS a purpose to everything, just couldn't figure ours out.

Definitely my favorite psychedelic so far, with LSD offering some potential as being more favorable, if only I could get a high enough dose of true LSD.

4-Aco-DMT does generate the notion of Oneness and Connectivity. I haven't decided if this is a display of a true reality or a product of euphoria. Hopefully it's the former but it's most probably a combination of both creating an idea that is more profound than it truly is. It's a nice idea though... very peaceful.

In comparison to LSD, it's my personal opinion that 4-Aco-DMT is much safer mentally. Makes me feel much better about it from your high dose report.

I've been able to get to the same place as you with far less material though. 20-25mg has worked well although it was nowhere near your intensity I'm sure. Realization is the key though and intensity can sometime jam the lock.
 
Snorting 2C-T-7 is very dangerous, especially in high doses, people have died doing this. If you must do it, please exercise more caution.

oh, believe me, I'm done with 2c-t-7. The visuals seemed stronger than the other 2c's I've tried, but the body load made the trip harder to enjoy.

In fact, I don't think I'll ever try another 2c-x, at least not any I've done already (I'm a sucker for something new). I've found too many preferable alternatives. I actually enjoyed LSA more than the 2cs, because the 2c's seemed to lack any real substance to the trip, as far as consciousness expansion goes.

oh, and this is the one trip reports I was referring to that spurred my desire to take the rest of the bag.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=86651

One of my life goals is to find the chemical process behind the "I know everything!" feeling, and try to synthesize something that provides that effect, and that effect alone, without the visuals, altered behavior, etc. Then find a way to simultaneously dose the entire world with it, possible with a small dose of MDMA, all at once. Instant spiritual evolution!
 
4-Aco-DMT does generate the notion of Oneness and Connectivity. I haven't decided if this is a display of a true reality or a product of euphoria. Hopefully it's the former but it's most probably a combination of both creating an idea that is more profound than it truly is. It's a nice idea though... very peaceful.

Never considered that before... intense dysphoria usually leads to the opposite conclusion, that life is meaningless, pointless, etc...

Interesting.
 
Never considered that before... intense dysphoria usually leads to the opposite conclusion, that life is meaningless, pointless, etc...

Interesting.

Yeah, we're talking a much more wholesome brand of euphoria here like MDMA mentally. Nowhere near the same level which doesn't mean it's not as good; But, 4-Aco-DMT has the same basic feeling... Peace, Love, Happiness, Unity.

This is not like the euphoria generated by Methamphetamine, bk-MDMA, 4MMC, and I'm sure many other substances out there. This brand seems somewhat false to me and can be identified by the feeling of invincibility that accompanies it.

Is there a word to distinguish between these two types of Euphoria? There should be as it's a matter of desirability which is subjective of course. Seems confusing to refer to both as the same word when they're different.



To put it bluntly, "This shit is going to blow up like it ain't nobody's business!"
 
I agree whole-heartedly. I've read reports of people accidentally ingesting almost 500mgs and not experiencing any permanent health effects, at least not immediately.

Combine that with its similarity in effects to magic mushrooms, which already has one of the biggest subcultures of any psychedelic, and the ridiculous potential amount one can safely consume beyond that needed for a good trip, AND the almost complete lack of accompanying body load//anxiety...

I should probably order as much as possible as soon as possible, before it DOES explode, and quickly made illegal. Government doesn't like legal consciousness expansion, leads to too many radical ideas, and radical ideas change things, people, society. Government doesn't want change, as this presents a threat to the government's seat of power.

At least, from what I've gathered... I'm pretty sure the hippie movement wasn't suppressed and destroyed because of the lack of public support for the ideals like universal peace, love, and unity. (I also suspect this is the same reason people like Bob Marley, John Lennon, Malcom X, Martin Luther King Jr., JFK, and the like seem to have trouble surviving for very long once their beliefs become public/cultural movements... I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist.)
 
Great report. Seeing more reports around the 100mgs mark confirms my intuition that the physilogical/psychological impact of 'heroic doses' are negotiable.
Highest I have been was with Psilocin at 80mgs, and it was a real beauty. Bearing in mind that 4AcO has a more user friendly effects profile, I am highly tempted. I love the DMT like vistas it creates but without the extreme velocities of vaped DMT. On a more basic level, it has a euphoric edge which cossets you against the phenomenal surprises you may find during the experience. It can create an immaginal realm of spacious dimensions and fizzing energies on which the deepest fundamentals of your life experiences and how you understand them are portrayed for you to tinker with and process. Microscopy if mind.
On the other hand, you can just as well be carried away with the simple pleasures of giggling at the peculiar perspectives to which it puts the world. I found I was talking to myself on several occasions, wittering a commentary as I was attemting to brew up a cuppa, or making up nonsense type words. I remember one long rambling speech I made in honour of the verb 'to be'. There were other words I though deserved homage, but the verb 'to be' seemed to be the Originator!
Anyhow - Welcome to BL. Peace - Pipp
 
For the most part, indoor hallucinations have usually been less complex than what nature provides, with everything remaining relatively in place, but with designs/colors coming off of objects in the room, particularly edges. Reading the trip reports on large flat screen, sections of the TV would start sliding down while other sections would slide off to the side. It reminded me of DXM's visuals in a sense, but with certain parts of my vision seeming to constantly move up/down/etc, instead of my whole field of vision.

QFE!

I have never done 4-aco myself but when I was on 2c-e, I wanted to be outside, in nature. Tripping indoors seemed less immersive, and as a result the hallucinations were weaker (except for looking at complex patterns and designs on walls and rugs. oh and mirrors). But outside, I felt there was so much to look at and try to understand, and the visuals were amazing.

I wonder if this is true of all psychedelics?

EDIT: Oops... gravedig... oh well.
 
Axed said:
EDIT: Oops... gravedig... oh well.
It is a great report on something I never experienced too - ego death/dissolution/whatever you call this.

I found that the most profound trips are kind of "don't think of white monkeys", i.e. if I manage to have little expectations about trip before I take substance, then I have good chances to experience something truly uncommon.
 
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