RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

[dipitch]

Hi. Keyboards a little off so no kommas apostrophes. Sorry for that. (Period button still works however). Question: Has anyone ever taken the combo of 3fpm and n ethyl hexedrone? Would they pose a serious risk or enhance both substances in their effects?

OK, nevermind. I took the N-Ethyl Hexedrone in several tiny doses approx. 3-4 hours after I took my (probably too) small dose of 3-fpm and it felt great. I started with what must have been 1mg (to test) and waited 30 minutes to see, if some undesired effects would appear. After that my night at home got a structure like this for 4 h:

A bump of N-Ethyl Hexedrone (and when I felt uncomphortable due to some oncoming anxiety, I took small doses of Diclazepam sublingually).
I repeated this 3- 4 times and got great energy to do some chores, etc.

But, because this thread is about 3-fpm, I'm just gonna add that a combination with N-Ethyl Hexedrone seemed to be quite safe for me. I think, because I took relatively very little of each substance. Have to add though, I am a lightweight and had no stimulant tolerance whatsoever.

 

[Ziiirp]

3-fpm is not even safe on its own. It provides okay arguably functional stimulation without anxiety in high doses and I also never experienced psychosis, so psychologically it is not that damaging when short term abused. But the physical after effects (30h-60h after last oral/insufflated dose) are quite concerning. Mind you I write about reckless dosages.

But it is a good aid if you are borderline suicidal anyways and looking for a medical condition surprise bag, that reveals its contents years later, when you probably just found your happy life back. Your choice.

 

[dipitch]

3-fpm is not even safe on its own. It provides okay arguably functional stimulation without anxiety in high doses and I also never experienced psychosis, so psychologically it is not that damaging when short term abused. But the physical after effects (30h-60h after last oral/insufflated dose) are quite concerning. Mind you I write about reckless dosages.

But it is a good aid if you are borderline suicidal anyways and looking for a medical condition surprise bag, that reveals its contents years later, when you probably just found your happy life back. Your choice.

You're right. Wie cannot know what it does to our bodies in the long run. Hopefully not too many people take these new rcs regularly or in vast amounts.

Your second paragraph is what I fear most will happen. I've been pretty regularly consuming RCS and mainstream drugs for almost 6 years. Mostly in small doses, but still regularly. I'm already not someone with the best health, physiologically and psychologically. Until now, everything was kept relatively at bay, but I wonder for the years to come. I could be fine for a long time, have a food life, but my past could catch up with me at any time.

 

[ketacdx]

Hey Guys,

I am generally a reader and not a poster but couldn't find much info online re. my situation. I've taking 3fpm occasionally over the last 3 months, usually just weekends and I only combine with alcohol and cigarettes. Generally I max myself at 100mg over an 8 hr timeframe and primarily taking orally with the occasional small 10mg insufflation. I'm not on any other medications and am 30 and a healthy weight and lifestyle for the most part. This eve I took 3fpm spread out from 2pm-11pm around 110mg over that timeframe. I have a blood pressure monitor and checked as it went. I try and keep on eye on things as I always notice some increase but this was a bit extra. The reading were:
146/90 pulse 94 6:15pm
148/90 pulse 96 8:29pm
144/89 pulse 99 8:30pm
166/102 pulse 121 arrhythmia detector shown. 9:30pm
180/101 pulse 121 arrhythmia detector shown. 9:40pm
166/99 pulse 110 no a 10:30pm
149/93 pulse 108 no arrhythmia 10:30pm
143/97 pulse 123 arrhythmia detector shown. 11:00pm

I am guessing some anxiety had to play with the 180/101 pulse 121 reading, I did take a 0.5mg klonopin right after that reading as I was worried to keep it there and it seems to be down. however I only felt slightly anxious concern as 3fpm generally maintains anxiousness to an extent. My BP in a normal day is a little higher around 130/85 (generally because I tend to get anxious hearing the beeps and tend to check my BP when I'm anxious, lol) but these spikes aren't common for me. Has anyone else encountered this on 3fpm, what could be causing it and although this was apparently right around hypertensive crisis level, is that normal in this dose ballpark for a fit, decently younger guy who goes to the gym? My doses were measured via scale and were about 30mg oral 12pm, 15mg oral 130pm, 15mg oral and 10mg insuff at 330pm, 10mg insuff around 5pm, 15mg insuff around 7pm then 10 mg insuff around 11pm. My alcohol intake was 2 single shot gin/soda waters drank between 4-6. Thanks and I know I probably shouldn't have self treated with a BP of that high but I really did not want to go through an emergency room experience tonight if I didn't have to...

 

[crOOk]

lol no way, no IV for me..do you keep using speed and endure the fallout?if so, why!?!i cant function close to well feeling like that in terms of work etc etc

I still use it about once a month, usually orally, but I've injected twice in the past couple of months if I am not lying to myself here. I maintain a highly functional life considering I am a bipolar drug addict, but I am not too big on the whole job thing.

[MENTION=100252]ketacdx[/MENTION]
Glad you made it through that. Might want to stay away from stimulants to avoid fatal cardiovascular incidents.

 

[InterestingFACT]

Hey Guys,

I am generally a reader and not a poster but couldn't find much info online re. my situation. I've taking 3fpm occasionally over the last 3 months, usually just weekends and I only combine with alcohol and cigarettes. Generally I max myself at 100mg over an 8 hr timeframe and primarily taking orally with the occasional small 10mg insufflation. I'm not on any other medications and am 30 and a healthy weight and lifestyle for the most part. This eve I took 3fpm spread out from 2pm-11pm around 110mg over that timeframe. I have a blood pressure monitor and checked as it went. I try and keep on eye on things as I always notice some increase but this was a bit extra. The reading were:
146/90 pulse 94 6:15pm
148/90 pulse 96 8:29pm
144/89 pulse 99 8:30pm
166/102 pulse 121 arrhythmia detector shown. 9:30pm
180/101 pulse 121 arrhythmia detector shown. 9:40pm
166/99 pulse 110 no a 10:30pm
149/93 pulse 108 no arrhythmia 10:30pm
143/97 pulse 123 arrhythmia detector shown. 11:00pm

I am guessing some anxiety had to play with the 180/101 pulse 121 reading, I did take a 0.5mg klonopin right after that reading as I was worried to keep it there and it seems to be down. however I only felt slightly anxious concern as 3fpm generally maintains anxiousness to an extent. My BP in a normal day is a little higher around 130/85 (generally because I tend to get anxious hearing the beeps and tend to check my BP when I'm anxious, lol) but these spikes aren't common for me. Has anyone else encountered this on 3fpm, what could be causing it and although this was apparently right around hypertensive crisis level, is that normal in this dose ballpark for a fit, decently younger guy who goes to the gym? My doses were measured via scale and were about 30mg oral 12pm, 15mg oral 130pm, 15mg oral and 10mg insuff at 330pm, 10mg insuff around 5pm, 15mg insuff around 7pm then 10 mg insuff around 11pm. My alcohol intake was 2 single shot gin/soda waters drank between 4-6. Thanks and I know I probably shouldn't have self treated with a BP of that high but I really did not want to go through an emergency room experience tonight if I didn't have to...

While some psychedelic stimulants like DOX compounds are known to significantly increase blood pressure, most conventional stimulants should only increase blood pressure by a few points at typical doses. 100mg irally is by no means getting into danger territory with 3fpm. Do you have experience with other stimulants? If so, do you see similar increases in blood pressure?

I would say you don't want to push yourself over ~150 systolic/110 diastolic.

If you try again, start with a lower dosage and see how things go. I wouldn't be willing to put this down to some idiosyncratic sensitivity, however. If you can discover no confounds (ie. Physical activity before taking BP) then you should maybe consider getting a more extensive evaluation of your cardiovascular health. I also noted that your pulse pressure was doubled at peak. This is typical of exercise. If you were having something of a panic attack all of this would make perfect sense. If you didn't subjectively think you were that anxious then maybe you just didn't take your blood pressure under very good conditions.

 

[belfort]

3-fpm is not even safe on its own. It provides okay arguably functional stimulation without anxiety in high doses and I also never experienced psychosis, so psychologically it is not that damaging when short term abused. But the physical after effects (30h-60h after last oral/insufflated dose) are quite concerning. Mind you I write about reckless dosages.

But it is a good aid if you are borderline suicidal anyways and looking for a medical condition surprise bag, that reveals its contents years later, when you probably just found your happy life back. Your choice.

regarding the stimulation 3-fpm provides, i find it much different than adderal, ephedrine things like that..the stimulation from 3-fpm can at times be functional but most of the time its an 'off' feeling, its hard to explain..u do NOT want to get a workout in even after a few hours after taking 3-fpm..i tried that and i felt terrible, my BP wasnt that out of whack but i just felt downrght bad..i couldnt wait to just be done with it..

 

[ketacdx]

While some psychedelic stimulants like DOX compounds are known to significantly increase blood pressure, most conventional stimulants should only increase blood pressure by a few points at typical doses. 100mg irally is by no means getting into danger territory with 3fpm. Do you have experience with other stimulants? If so, do you see similar increases in blood pressure?

I would say you don't want to push yourself over ~150 systolic/110 diastolic.

If you try again, start with a lower dosage and see how things go. I wouldn't be willing to put this down to some idiosyncratic sensitivity, however. If you can discover no confounds (ie. Physical activity before taking BP) then you should maybe consider getting a more extensive evaluation of your cardiovascular health. I also noted that your pulse pressure was doubled at peak. This is typical of exercise. If you were having something of a panic attack all of this would make perfect sense. If you didn't subjectively think you were that anxious then maybe you just didn't take your blood pressure under very good conditions.

Thanks for your reply InterestingFACT, I really appreciate it. I haven't taken standard stimulants recently, however from 2004-2009 I did a little bit of everything quite regularly and although at the time I never checked by BP as I was 18-23 then and never thought about it, I don't recall any issues. I do see a doctor regularly and I'm in good health. In regards to BP however, it does go up whenever I'm tested in a hospital or by a doctor. I got the monitor for the purpose initially to confirm high BP from my high tests in office but it's always good when I check it on my own, just high when a doc checks it. I have had ECG's and bloodwork recently however and my ticker is good. Maybe the 3-fpm caused an anxious like situation that triggered a similar situation to a doc checking my BP? Either way, I did not feel as anxious on it as I do when a doc is checking my BP. It just seems strange that it raised soo super high so easily off such a standard dose and Ive done about 2 grams over the last 3 months on various weekends, etc so it wasn't my first time. I hope this doesn't persist as I really enjoy 3-FPM and find it a great accessory to a weekend. I should probably avoid the possible anxiety by just not checking my BP on it, however now I will be obsessed! lol

Side note, has anyone ever combined Phenibut and 3-FPM? I didn't mix those last night however I find it a truly amazing combo in the 1gram-ish Phenibut level. I am one of the lucky souls who can have some drinks on phenibut too with no negatives ( I don't go crazy, maybe 3-4 beers over several hrs) and all 3 together lead to a social, comfortable, enjoyable evening with little to no sketch or amphetamine loner-ness. I have tried Benzo's on 3fpm and the phenibut combo is 100 times better. It basically removes any negative points of the 3fpm high and adds phenibut's pro's but amplified. Anyways, just wanted to leave this tid-bit out there for any travelers! lol

 

[jugger]

Hey guys,
is anyone using 3-fpm for studying and not for recreational purposes?
Im not a regular upper consumer, so my tolerance must be very low. I want to take it primarily orally to learn for my upcoming exams. What doses are recommed for taking it only for such purposes? And how long does it last, I dont want to take a second dose.

And now we are coming to the recreational purposes. I dont drink alcohol and our speed is very shitty. So I would take a larger dose of 3-fpm to be more talkative and creative for approaching girls. What dose you would recommed for this?

sry for my bad english

 

[ketacdx]

OK, I think I have an idea what is the issue with the "Flu Like Symptoms" on this stuff. I finally got them this week after two days of minor usage of about 120mg's per day with 6-8 hrs of sleep and a good meals and vitamins between each day. I have been using 3-fpm for about 3 months with similar to occasional more usage with no flu symptoms whatsoever. I ended up getting body aches, cold chills, hot flashes, cold sweats, a fever, a beginning of my first cold sore in 10 years, sore throat, tiredness and dizziness. I went to the doctor and I was legit sick, got antibiotics and feel better. I think 3-fpm just literally destroys the immune system. I haven't had that many symptoms of a flu in literally 8 years. Immunotoxic is a term I read on another site that I wouldn't be surprised if was related. I just hope it doesnt cause permanent or long term weakened immune systems in the long run... I wish I got a full blood cell count as I am sure it would be a little off from my usual levels. I think this is why flu symptoms dont happen to everyone and those who get them don't necessarily get them all the time. It's all going to depend on if an illness is floating around you. It's almost like it gives you mini-AIDS and you can't fight a thing. I am not a doctor by any means and there isn't much scientific in this statement but I am pretty sure that's where these flu like symptoms come from. We just need to live in bubbles on this stuff it seems! lol

 

[Spikeilsand90]

Hi this is my first post, have been a frequent visitor to the site, having read through many forums in the past. However it is this particular topic which led to me wanting to create an account, due to the way I feel about the discussed chemical.

Like others I was sceptical to purchase but after much researching and reading through posts I decided to buy some before the UK ban on RC.

I insulffated approx 75mg (from what I read a relatively high dose) and like many have said the burn was INCREDIBLE, but not long lasting at all. The initial effects seemed underwhelming and extremely subtle, however this is a drug which definitely creeps up on you in a very nice way. If you are looking to get slammed by a huge rush this is certainly not what you're looking for, it instead delivers a very warm, gradual, yet growing sense of well being and just all I can describe as being at ease.

About an hour later I took another dose of the same amount (75mg) which I found brought me deeper into what I can only describe as a really pleasant, clear headed stim high. I also purchased some Mexedrone (I know mixed reports on the quality of this substance) but was pleasantly surprised after taking 100mg, which delivered a real nice warm body high.

Definitely a nice chem and one I look forward to using in the future but in moderation.

 

[Ziiirp]

Lucky you, that it is banned. Moderation is not possible for most folks, because it is the weakest (monoamine wise) stim out there.

 

[crOOk]

If you are looking to get slammed by a huge rush this is certainly not what you're looking for

Again I injected 80mg MDMA 2 days ago and cannot stress enough that the rush of 3F-P is much more intense for me.

 

[iRavage]

Again I injected 80mg MDMA 2 days ago and cannot stress enough that the rush of 3F-P is much more intense for me.

I've been experienced no eurphoria/rush from nasal doses up to 120mg and vaped doses to ~50mg. How much product should I vape when aiming for some euphoria?
200-300? I would be smoking of foil, I am assuming I am wasting product if the 3-fpm starts boiling, right? Will be super careful next time...

//Edit: I should mention that I didn't get a rush from vaped hex-en either (still craving for more), but it looks like there are multiple people with the same issue. Some claimed mixing it with alcohol
would help with that regard but for me it didn't do anything either. I'll probably pop 1mg etiz and then vape a good amount of 3-fpm and report back. Is it possible that my brain
chemistry prevents a rush? I felt no euphoria/rush from coke either (I shared it with some mates who told me it was fire), there is no way I have such a high tolerance to stims that
I can't feel a rush. If the vaping doesn't satisfy me either, I'll probably take a big stim break and give my brain some time to catch up again. It's so weird...

 

[Molecular_Man]

Hey guys,
is anyone using 3-fpm for studying and not for recreational purposes?
Im not a regular upper consumer, so my tolerance must be very low. I want to take it primarily orally to learn for my upcoming exams. What doses are recommed for taking it only for such purposes? And how long does it last, I dont want to take a second dose.

And now we are coming to the recreational purposes. I dont drink alcohol and our speed is very shitty. So I would take a larger dose of 3-fpm to be more talkative and creative for approaching girls. What dose you would recommed for this?

sry for my bad english

Any functional use for oral 3-FPM? Does it compare with MPA or 2-FMA? Any success with this molecule?

 

[iRavage]

Any functional use for oral 3-FPM? Does it compare with MPA or 2-FMA? Any success with this molecule?

Depending on your stimulant tolerance, I would suggest starting with an oral dose of around 40mg. If it's not enough simply up the dose, keep in mind that the
3-fpm is a pretty subtle stimulation, it probably won't come close to 2-fma (rip) but a lot of people seem to like it anyways. I actually found 4F-MPH to be far
superior when looking for a long lasting functional stim. Just my .02$

 

[Molecular_Man]

Depending on your stimulant tolerance, I would suggest starting with an oral dose of around 40mg. If it's not enough simply up the dose, keep in mind that the
3-fpm is a pretty subtle stimulation, it probably won't come close to 2-fma (rip) but a lot of people seem to like it anyways. I actually found 4F-MPH to be far
superior when looking for a long lasting functional stim. Just my .02$

Thanks iRavage. I think 2-FMA must return.
The extreme focus thing is not here with 3-FPM. Did you notice something interesting in 4F-MPH?

 

[Molecular_Man]

And if I consider 25 mg of oral MPA as a normal approach, wouldn't be a 40 mg oral dose of 3-FPM too much?

 

[InterestingFACT]

Any functional use for oral 3-FPM? Does it compare with MPA or 2-FMA? Any success with this molecule?

Overall a bad candidate and a generally bad idea. It "can" be used in a functional manner but IMO does a far worse job than conventional amphetamine or methamphetamine, most non-serotonergic amphetamine derivatives, or -phenidates.

And meanwhile, as is widely reported, it's rather insidious in its compulsiveness. It's a perfectly good recreational chemical but in my opinion opening yourself up to daily/more-frequent use as functional usage implies is exposing yourself to both greater risk and lesser reward than another stimulant. Really IMO the only stimulants less suited for functional use are the cathinones.

If you do decide to give it a sho anyways, try to keep yourself limited to oral doses of less than 60mg--probably best in the 30-40mg range--and avoid same day redosing (and especially redosing within 1-2 hours, when the compulsiveness is greatest). If you manage this you'll be able to achieve a minimally-disruptive background stimulation. If you fall into the trap of dosing higher or more frequently you'll likely find yourself even less productive than with no stimulant at all.

Most other stimulants have at least some scaleability to their functional effects--meaning that higher doses will at least amplify your task-orienting further, even if the hyperfocus starts to get in the way at some point. But in my opinion 3-fpm is essentially counterproductive to getting work done at any dose that provides greater subjective stimulation than a cup of coffee.

 

[Molecular_Man]

Thanks. I must conduct some research.