RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

[Sprout]

All DA releasers will induce hallucinations in excess use, in a similar way to those of Schizophrenia.
I am diagnosed as Schizoaffective and have heard music in my head since about the age of 14, so I do not know if my experience can be extrapolated to all users.

Also, hiya!

 

[llamer]

man this stuff is a fuckaround. anyone with a speed streak needs to stay away from this one, it's all that same mental hype and habituation yet about a third of the payoff: 1/3 the euphoria, 1/3 the clear headedness, 1/3 the focus. it's good for staying up at parties but not much else; it doesn't even motivate you to sweep the floor, let alone accomplish any important and rewarding task (i.e. any kind of work). and chasing it is a motherfucker - it's like cigarettes, you just want to have a little more smoke every couple of minutes.
the anorexia on this drug is remarkable, too. a few day binge and i eat almost nothing at all.

if it weren't for the lack of serious side effects (a la ethlyphenidate, all the -PVs, et al) this one would be quickly forgotten. binge material with little going for it. save it for when you and your homies need to party because otherwise you're gonna be plowing thru that bag for no damn reason at all.

 

[Sprout]

Seconded, any addictive tendencies will be illuminated pretty quickly on 3-FPM, I think the issue lies in the lack of NE release, while the issue with most other stims is the excess of it.
There is no adrenergic impetus to do anything other than keep "pushing the pleasure button".

Everyone remember the rat studies on self-administration of Dopamine?
Yeah...

 

[llamer]

i know i know, and i like that analogy, i really do, but please, the rat analogy for addictive behavior has pretty well been dismantled for being a reductionist model with built in biases that no one questioned for a long time (publicly). see https://www.lifelineconnections.org/rat-park-importance-good-mental-health/ and this very entertaining comic

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

PREFACE:
This post refers to vaping only.
You can skip this shit if you want (first part is more or less a live trip report) and go to "OVERVIEW", where I explain my experience with the substance, or directly go to the "TL;DR" section if you can't be arsed to read my stimmed up ramblings.


Ok so my gram came in, tastes salty and slightly bitter. I'll vape some now will report shortly.
OK I vaped an unknown amount (scale is shitty) and this feels good indeed, vapes super nicely like heroin and taste is not bad, very salt-like. I can already tell this is pretty more-ish. A bit of jaw clenching. Me likey so far. Will try other roas, maybe insufflation later, will report on that. So far I like it.

OK so I opened the little tube I made with tinfoil to inhale and wow there is quite a bit of residue in there! Nice surprise.

So overall with the vaped-on-foil ROA this feels like paste speed to me (keep in mind that's pretty much the only other stimulant i've ever tried besides caffeine and benzydamine (lol) so it's the only comparison I can make). pretty good high and I still feel it pretty strongly but keep in mind I vaped repeadetly. I'll update the post when I feel like I'm coming down or maybe I'll try to snort a line we'll see.
Also cigs are very nice to smoke as expected.

P.S. my 3-fpm is a white powder with little clumps.

Another edit: last time I vaped was like 20 minutes ago and I still feel it nicely, feel no need to redose even though I have the foil with quite a bit of powder-residue on it. Maybe it's not as moreish as I expected but I've always been considerate with my drug use. And I'm not coming down yet so yeah.

Another edit lol as for the side effects I agree that they're not pronounced. No sweating, a bit of jaw-clenching but it's controllable and heart rate is almost baseline.
This pretty much feels like paste speed as I said, with less side effects maybe and a bit less talkativety (is that even a word?) Clean stimulation without much euphoria but certainly pleasant. I haven't tried any other ROAs but from the other reports I'd say if you're interested in recreational use vaping is your best bet.

Will report back when I try other ROAs and also when I start coming down.

A little update since I feel like I'm coming down.
Holy shit this lasted so long! Last vaped dose was about 8 hours ago and the stimulation has lingered up until now. I still feel stimulated, but now it's starting to become slightly unpleasant. Up until like 30 minutes ago it feel pretty pleasant still tho.
I'm still grinding my teeth and pupils are still enlarged, but that has decreased a bit.

Maybe the stimulation I was feeling for 7+ hours after the last dose was pleasant because I took a light dose of lormetazepam? Anyways I feel like it wouldn't have been unpleasant without it. Just now, 8 hours after I'm beginning to feel A LITTLE anxiety but it really isn't much. It's jitteriness more than anxiety but I feel pretty good still. Overall a very smooth comedown with residual stimulation lasting several hours after last dose, not 'high' per-se but still pretty pleasant. I really didn't expect this to last this long.

Appetite suppression has been present all day long and is still going STRONG and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to sleep without a benzo.

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OVERVIEW

OK so my verdict on this compound (vaped on foil) is: this, for me, is a winner.

Vapes very very nicely, taste is not good but not that bad either, tastes a bit like salt but worse and leaves a bitter flavour on the lips which tastes fairly bad but doesn't linger, you lick it away and it's gone.
I think some of the powder passed through the straw and finished on my lips, right side, and it feels strange if i touch that point with the tounge, like it's dried out. I've also been licking that point of my lips compulsively for the last 7+ hours, I dunno why I just catch myself doing that without even noticing.
Also the right side of my lower lip is white, like it has dead skin on it. Pay attention not to let the powder touch your lips is all I can say. I hope I did no damage but I don't feel pain or anything like that.

It is quite more-ish but I had no problem putting it down when I really wanted to. I could see someone with a more addictive personality than mine going on crazy binges with this, so please be careful.

The main high is pretty pleasurable, clean stimulation without much euphoria but pleasant still, similar to speed paste IMHO with less euphoria but with also less side effects:
I noticed no sweating, but definitely some jaw clenching, and no jitteriness. Appetite suppression is strong for me, but an managed to stay fairly hydrated.
Pupils dilation is present and lasts a long time.

After the "main" high (which I found isn't even that short, but keep in mind I vaped repeadetly for ~1 hour I think) subsided I still felt pretty stimulated for 7+ hours (still feeling it now, and drinking some magnesium and potassium in form of supplement has decreased jaw clenching significantly and also eliminated any little anxiety I was previously feeling!), overall a very very smooth comedown, if any. I still feel good after all these hours, actually as I already stated the residual stimulation is pretty pleasant. I can't say for sure there isn't any comedown at all since I took a benzo a few hours ago, but it was a light dose of a pretty short acting benzo (lormetazepam), but it's so smooth that you may not even notice it.

Side effects after ~8 hours from last dose are a little jitteriness, very slight jaw clenching and very very little anxiety if any at all (it might be worse if I hadn't taken a benzo a few hours ago but I'm pretty sure not much worse), inability to sleep (I think, I haven't tried but I'm pretty sure it would be difficult) and strong appetite suppression which lasts a long time. BUT these are easily overshadowed by the fact that I still feel good, I don't mind the residual stimulation at all I'm actually enjoying it but I rekon it could become tiring.

I only vaped, but from reading other reports I'm pretty sure vaping is your best bet if you intend to use recreationally.

Holy shit I wrote a lot! If you're still reading, sorry for the repetitions/grammar and spelling errors (I'm sure there are a lot) but I'm on my phone and it's a hassle to review the post and delete them all. And also you know how it is, being on a stimulant rambling comes natural!



TL;DR

Vapes nicely, produces a clean speedy high (less chatty and euphoric than paste speed but less side effects) that tapers down smoothly during several hours. Side effects are slight jaw clenching, strong appetite suppression and.. Nothing else I think. Pupil dilation is present and lasts a long time too.
This ROA is probably the best recreational use-wise, but it also is pretty more-ish so beware of that.

Sorry again for all this rambling.

 

[satanz_benzo]

Word of warning, I don't know if I got a bad batch or I was allergic but I took a small dose and went into psychiatric unit after being in ICU being in a coma two days, i did mix with other RCs and alcohol and it damaged my kidneys, that was a year ago and I still haven't recovered. They gave me midazolam IV 20ML and I still had to be restrained, Mixing is a bad idea and I've mixed ridiculous concoctions in the past. To the point I've took 400mg diazepam with 750mg mdma. Please be careful.

 

[Secret Agent Chick]

Ok, so after my first disappointing experience, I decided to have a second try.
This time I tried vaping it mixed with some ejuice.
I very quickly had a type of body rush, but not a pleasant one. It was the kind of spaced-out, anxious, weird feeling I've had two or three times before .... when I have either mixed too many drugs or had too big a dosage ... and it basically just feels like "uh oh, this doesn't feel good".
I gave myself some time to calm back down and then vaped a little more, but taking my time to make sure I felt ok. Apart from that initial "this doesn't feel good" feeling, the only effect it seemed to have was to give me a headache. And again, absolutely, no trouble falling to sleep ... and EVERY other stim I've ever had, makes sleep impossible for me.
I don't think this can just be a stim tolerance, because I still have some 3-fa which still works nicely for me.
All I can put it down to, is that everybody is different. We can try any drug and some people will rave about how great it is, and others will say the same drug is crap. I just feel like this particular substance and I don't sync.
Hubby actually asked if he could try it last night, and I warned him that I found it useless and it just gave me a headache, but he decided to give it a go anyway ... and he really enjoyed it (lucky bastard lol). I guess the good thing is that now, instead of just chucking it in the bin, it can be hubby's little stash.

 

[Edna Hole]

Hiya Atmozfears, I tried 3-fpm last week and got nada. I had tried it before but there was an offer at my vendor so I tried it again. Anyhow, I love to sniff my stims and I soon remembered why I didn't go back to it, Man the burn and the drip from this stuff is almost unbearable, so ended up scooping mounds outta the baggie!.
So, anyway, I wonder if trying it again by 'vaping' would do a better job? Could you tell me what e-juice is? I've never vaped before so i'm a noob to this method and wanna try and get my moneys worth from my stims,
cheers Atmoz

 

[Atmozfears]

Hiya Atmozfears, I tried 3-fpm last week and got nada. I had tried it before but there was an offer at my vendor so I tried it again. Anyhow, I love to sniff my stims and I soon remembered why I didn't go back to it, Man the burn and the drip from this stuff is almost unbearable, so ended up scooping mounds outta the baggie!.
So, anyway, I wonder if trying it again by 'vaping' would do a better job? Could you tell me what e-juice is? I've never vaped before so i'm a noob to this method and wanna try and get my moneys worth from my stims,
cheers Atmoz

It's pure luck that I came across this thread as I'm drunk and Googling 3-FPM, trying to stay away from it as I find myself thinking about it a lot, similar to how I felt with methamphetamine, and I've stayed away from that shit for a while. Will I stay away from 3-FPM? No, probably not.

E-juice is what people use for their e-cigarettes or "vaporizers" that they vape nicotine with. not trying to be a dick, but Google could have told you this. Don't bother disolving this in e-juice, you'll have varying effects depending on the amounts used (of course).

When I vaped this, I just made a simple light-bulb meth-pipe (again, Google)... and well, it was VERY more-ish and not worth it! Are you getting the powder version? it sounds like it. I get the crystals and can feel something from even some amounts. Although I've mostly used it in larger amounts (+80mg lines) I always get something from it, and that something is very satisfying.

This is my favorite stimulant to date!

 

[crOOk]

Hiya Sprout

I hear full on songs being played, like a radio in my head. It sounds so real, although I know it isn't.

It only happens when I overdo it and have no idea about the chemistry behind how it happens.

Here is what I've got so far:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_hallucinations

Very strange.

It's the lack of sleep mostly. Every stimulant enthusiast has been there, especially those who are bipolar. :D

I am visited by shadow people and hear entire orchestras play in my head every time I go on a binge. Happens towards the 50h mark.

 

[Iosif Stalin]

I did a legal high wich was a mix of 3-FPM, caffeine and lidocaine. Was a white powder to snort. I did like a lot this stimulant, the high was totally different from caffeine. I could feel 3-FPM clearly. Was a pleasant stimulation with mild euphoria and long lasting. But be careful snorting pure 3-FPM because it burns and is very painful. I could snort it because lidocaine reduces the pain but even with lidocaine it was a bit painful. If you purchase pure 3-FPM take it orally or mix it with a local anaesthesic to snort it

 

[varimix]

My last IV 3-fpm went well. Amazing how some qualities suck. This one was one of those coke bell ringers. Anyway I stupidly tried doing a shot when I couldn't see well enough and have this redness and pain surrounding the vein. I know crook is familiar with this? Does it go away.

Now I know what your talking about the rush and I was only using 200mg couldn't imagine 500......I did 200 in one 1ml rig........... Gotta get some bigger rigs. I think 100mg per ml would be safe but you guys came to your own reasoning..... I also think you have to make sure you don't miss at all or problems arise. I've used 100-200 doses no problem but only for 1-2 days then I run out.

I bought 2 grams this time and it lasted the same 2 days. This stuff was so much cleaner and didn't give that super tweeked jaw clenching feeling. Don't get me wrong I was tweeked but it was smoother like the orginal 3fpm I fell in love with.

I hope I can surrender to the desire to get that rush. I figure once every few weeks order a gram but even that may be too much.. I've been pretty happy without drugs I don't get why I go back down this road.

 

[Sprout]

Watch yourself chucking pins into the party.
Compulsive as fuck via most ROA's, but shooting up 12 times an hour is a whole different beast.

 

[crOOk]

Hiya Sprout

I hear full on songs being played, like a radio in my head. It sounds so real, although I know it isn't.

It only happens when I overdo it and have no idea about the chemistry behind how it happens.

Here is what I've got so far:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_hallucinations

Very strange.

One day when I was manic I heard the entire playlist I played in the morning. I figured it's gotta be coming from the neighbour below, so I went into the hallway and realized the music would not change in volume, regardless of where I went. :D

My last IV 3-fpm went well. Amazing how some qualities suck. This one was one of those coke bell ringers. Anyway I stupidly tried doing a shot when I couldn't see well enough and have this redness and pain surrounding the vein. I know crook is familiar with this? Does it go away.

Unless you develope an abscess from impurities (most often bacteria or other living organisms) the swelling, pain and redness should eventually resolve. Depending on how much leaked it might take very long. At the concetration you used, I think it is possible your tissue took some irreversible damage which might cause you to feel some tough collagenous tissue that will stay for good. Try to stay below 40mg/ml so this stuff won't happen. I'm sure you don't want to lose those veins of yours.

Good luck!

 

[Sprout]

crOOk, I've been meaning to make this point for a while and never got round to it; given you are the only person I'm aware of to experience the disastrous symptoms you did at a concentration I and many others have vastly exceeded, along with purchasing a single (massive...) batch, have you considered it may not have been the 3-FPM but a vastly toxic cutting agent or reaction byproduct?
The synth leaves room for some particularly noxious compounds to sneak in if a shoddy (or none at all!) purification is performed before sale.

 

[varimix]

I bought some 3ml syringes to help avoid the problem. Plus using 25 gauge to ensure it is in the vein fully. I plan to try 350-400mg's though I know you say 3ml is only enough for 120mg's but I find this very hard to believe. 3ml is a ton of liquid. I've never had issue using 1ml per 100mg. The issues seem to stem from when you miss. I could be wrong but I just couldn't imagine using an 8ml for a 400 shot. It would take ages to get all that in and by the time your half way through your rushing.

Before I try this I will make sure to have 1mg of pyrozolam in my system to avoid any shakiness and extreme heartbeat. May even throw on a half mg of Pyrozolam since its water soluble.

At the time being there is a lump next to the crook in my vein. It has gone down along with the pain. I went through 2grams along with 500mg's MPA within 2 days and was def missing shots. Stupid me also ingested 200mg of Ephenidine which I barely felt but it seemed to cause amnesia and some sort of dumb behavior like walking to the store to get a case of water when I had plenty at the house then halfway home dropping the water because it was too heavy to carry,lol. Weird shit... I'm done with mixing Ephenidine with stims.

I'lll stick to one bell ringer with a benzo then vape smoke the rest.

 

[Molecular_Man]

Dear Sprout and fans of 3-FPM. Two questions please:

1) From what I have read it seems that vaping is the second most intense ROA of 3-FPM.
I saw that it was proposed somewhere here in this very forum, that vaping with an e-cig is preferable to aluminium foil .
Like dissolving some mg in some PG (propylene-glycol) and using the electronic cigarette for the vaporization.
What is your opinion?

2) Do you think that the mechanism of 3-FPM action is closer to coke/cathinone/ethylphenidate family or closer to amphetamine family?

 

[varimix]

Vaping through an E cig is does really produce all that much of a rush. I believe the vegatable glycren and proplyene glycol slow absorbtion down a bit. It does work though I've just never really got a good rush from it. Alluminium foil would prob be best but the taste sucks

I find it similiar to the amphetamine family and believe I failed a drug test for amphetamines do to it because I hadn't used anything else.

I high dose is like having really clean coke minus some of the jaw clenching. Same goes for amphetamine. Cleaner feeling a little less jaw clenching. There is jaw clenching though on high enough doses.

I'd say for a first timer to bump your way up to like 50mg then find another method because you don't want to be snorting that shit all night.

My method is to IV 200mg's followed by Ejuice method to keep the stimulation lasting. Its gotten to the point though by the second day that I swore vaping it through E juice was doing absolutely nothing which much have to do with rapid tolerance? Though when going back to sniffing it I seem to notice more effects. I'm still up in the air about the E juice vaping method. Next time I'll really have to start of with just that and see how it is instead of busting out the ol rig and blasting in a euphoric sexual manic.

 

[Sprout]

The concentration required for the relatively impotent 3-FPM to be vapourised in PG is obscene.
Even at 1,000mg/ml you'd have to inhale a ridiculous amount of vapour at once, it simply isn't feasible.

 

[varimix]

Thanks for that info Sprout. I''ll probably hold back on vaping and just do minor 10mg bumps for maintainence.

Wish there was a way of using this effectively to get the rush without IVing I really don't want to harm my body and already have a lump next to my vein due to Reckless Injections with dull needles, 3fpm, MPA, Ephinindine, benzos, ugh... Its just a whole different experience when you get a benzo in you and do a shot then chill. So much more functional and cleaner.

I'd love to try Ephenidine out by itself but always have to have my 3-fpm and can't put it down until its gone..

Minor 1-2 gram binges don't seem to affect my mood negatively or energy. THere was that one time I felt I had shitty quality but was using without a benzo. I had the most sore muslces ever after a day but there could be so many factors inovolved in this. To say 3-fpm will cause sore muscles and flu like symptoms seems to be false. There are other factors involved.

Anyway finally getting my batch soon. stuck at cusstoms for what seemed like weeks but was really only 3 days. I'm used to it going right through with my past vendor.