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RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

So... I ordered some MXE. Got large white rocks, shot 100mg... Waited... No hole, wtf?! It turns out I got 3-MMC instead. Despite having a psychiatrist appointment in court the next day, I decided it's a good idea to shoot another gram of it. The rush does not come close to that of 3F-P, not even remotely so. Just thought I'd let those know who have IV'ed 3-MMC before... Oh, and yeah, I did miss that appointment. :D

@gorestep
I'm afraid it IS that great. Just look at how you described it. I thought the same way, wondering why I crave it so badly when it didn't help me get shit done. For me the answer is simple: The rush. For you the answers all seem to be found in your post, you name about 10 positives without 1 strong negative. :D (Speaking of, the rush of MDPV+3F-P was unreal.)
You are also correct that it is worthless as a functional stimulant, it's about effective as cannabis.

Crook, on the subject of treating overdoses, benzodiazepines are usually first line treatment in America, followed by symptomatic treatment as necessary. For both stimulant and psychedelic ODs, that is.
Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of that. I still think it's an odd choice for an antidote when there are direct antagonists, but I guess I don't have to understand everything. :D
EDIT: I suppose it's because you never really know what a person is on and broad inhibitors like benzos are more likely to treat the anxiety/aggression. You can't really go wrong with them if a patient is severely agitated. I have personally experienced paradoxical reactions to benzos and fuck me if that happened on a bad trip lol. As for me treating a patient, I rather take the risk and administer a direct antagonist, regardless of what policy my hospital may have.

Was starting to feel scatty
Have half a g of MPA and that's actually taken the edge of my scatty brain. And made me more focused and normal
Yes MPA has taken the edge on.
3fpm in high doses is absolutely a great rec RC.
No way I'm gna tan this MPA little 20mg bumps to get me through the day
Also got diclazepam from legal high shop in town, it's all they had wanted etzis.
Bloody they have me another gram of MPA for free!!! I don't want it!!!! Haha .......but I took it can't turn down free RCs
If you talk the way you write it's time to slow down on those drugs. That means a LOT coming from me. Honest to my cock, half of what you said has to be deciphered before it makes any sense.
 
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hahaha apologise, my brain was all over the place with all theese thoughts.

just read it back now, makes sense but correct its hard to decipher.

im still up btw just on abit of mpa, brains pretty straight now.


Final word on 3fpm - its awsome and im getting more.
 
ps. any thoughts on how after 7 hours, it felt like a completely different chem?

i was straight up wired it wasnt just after stimulation.
 
Ya lol I figured. ;D And despite swearing it on the life of my cock I have to admit that I did understand most of it.

I always get stimulated for days, whatever stimulant I take, even low doses will do that. It's cause I'm bipolar. Couldn't say I noticed an actual change other than a drop off after 2-3h.
 
very peculiar.

honestly 3fpm is one of the most interesting chems ive taken in terms of its randomness off effects, one minute it feels like caffeine the next your in heaven rushing.

i wonder if people metabolize this differently or batches have been inconsistant, because i have heard people say they felt nothing off 500mg

at 500mg i was flying - its strong...... in my opinion and i had an ounce a week mephedrone habit.

i still dont think its as addictive as meph no way, im planning to get more but not untill next week, if this were meph id be ordering now and not sleeping until postman came lol

i think 3fpm BLOWS THE SHIT OUT OF MPA ABSOLUTELY DECIMATES IT. ok if you want to clean your house go for MPA but if you want an actual stimulant train ride with a blissful edge thats 3fpm.

not even going to compare it to EPH in my opinion EPH isnt a drug, its a load of shit, get a rush that then gives you shakes and the worst anxiety of your life. its a wanaba

il say it......... even though absolutely nothing like it..........3fpm is the best RC to come out since 5mapb and mephedrone.
 
My month of on and off use of 3f-Phenmetrazine


NOTICE
I will try to be as specific as possible but due to a minor benzo use to help with the sleep after each session or binge my memory is not a hundred percent clear.


Mind you that everything here are my own opinions based on my personal experiences unless I state the opposite.


I would also like to point out that I never took a one-time dose above ~80mg and that I always eyeballed everything on the tip of a small knife. And I always redosed at least two or three times an hour, possibly a bit more in the beginning on a longer binge then the more time that has passed I used less and less per hour.


Also I only took it nasally until the end where I tried orally a few times, more on that in the end.


I am waiting for an order for 5g from Shop #1 where I also ordered a scale, I would like to know how much I take in the future.


There is no way I can tell even an estimated date for each use but here are the dates that I ordered the stuff:
April 13 - 500mg (Shop #1)
April 27 - 500mg (Shop #2)
May 2 - 1g (Shop #2)
May 6 - 500mg (Shop #2)
May 7 - 1g (Shop #1)
May 12 - 2g (Shop #3)


PERSONAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION
Age: 24-27
Sex: Male
Medical conditions: Asthma (from physical acitivites, dust and pollen)
Body condition/shape: A bit overweight but in generally good condition due to my work is physically hard
Earlier drug experiences (in order of first to last): Cannabis, Psilocybin mushrooms (2005-2010) a couple of times, Ecstasy (2006-2007) four or five times, LSD (2008 or 2009) three times, all kinds of opiates (Tramadol, Codeine, Oxycodone, Morphine (only orally), Subutex/Suboxone (don't like this one at all) and tea made from dried poppy capsules (not the seeds obviously)) and excluding heroin but including raw opium latex taken orally and given the best opium experience I have ever had, Etizolam, Clonazepam, Flunitrazepam, Diazepam, Alprazolam, Zopiclone, Zolpidem, Meclonazepam, Nifoxipam, Clonazolam, Flubromazolam, Ethylphenidate, Speed (amphetamine sulphate I think?) only one time and in a very small dose which made me sleepy and made my body feel completely relaxed like spaghetti, Methylphenidate and now 3-FPM.


I might have missed something and I would like to point out that the only stuff I have ever been abusing has been benzos (and now possibly 3-FPM but I do feel in control since I have been taking breaks for a few days). All of the other drugs I have kept a good relationship with, especially the opiates, I could have a steady flow of them if I wanted to but I decided many years ago that I never want to get addicted to opiates so I only use them on certain occasions. Often less than once a month. Also I did smoke cannabis daily for a few years but I had no trouble quitting cold turkey, now I only smoke on special occasions and only if I'm alone, it's not like it was before.


And finally...


THE REPORT
The first 500mg started on April 18 together with two buddies. We sat up all night doing small doses of 3-FPM all the time together with some good weed. I can't recall how the weed were affected by the 3-FPM, especially since this was my first time trying it. But since we sat up talking about a serious project we have been planning for a few weeks all night even with weed in the mix I would say that it went 'as planned'.
I can't remember if we used all the 500mg or if I still had some left the next day.


A few days passed with no noticable side effects.


Second time the batch looked a bit differently than from the first one, it was more like 50/50 transparent thin crystals with the powder. Nothing hard to crush but I thought I would point out the way they differed on their looks.
I think I did a +55 hour binge on this one with no problems at all.


I started taking it during the day at roughly 1-2pm and in the evening at 11pm I took a higher dose than the ones I had taken during the day and I refilled quite quicly after that dose because listening to music became really nice. Last few years I have been more of a downtempo, chillout kind of guy but 'my roots' are in psytrance from early '00. Since I had updated me on the psytrance front a few days before I put on some albums from 2014 and 2015 and increased the volume in my headphones. It really pepped me up.


The first 24 hours I didn't really eat and drink that much since it repress hunger. This is where I started noticing the 'blackouts' from when rising from a sitting or lying position too quickly. (Not blackout as in memory-loss but the type you can get from low blood sugar. You get up and start feeling dizzy, that kind of blackout.) So I started taking care of getting enough food and water regularly even though it sometimes was really hard since just thinking about food made me feel ill. And just eating a little bit made feel extremely full so I really had to force it into me.


I can't remember much more about this binge session more than it wasn't at all hard to stay up, I never felt tired but I also never had a "good focus" so I couldn't do what I love most, creative stuff. So mostly I stayed up talking to people on Facebook and IRC while listening to music. The feeling of music 'being better' I had in the beginning slowly faded away until the next evening where I once again took a bigger dose than those I had taken during the day and the 'music-feeling' was back.


Because I only used so little at a time these 500mg lasted a long time. And if I am recalling correctly I started this binge on a thursday and I had to work during the weekend. It is physically active work during the night and I couldn't sleep during the friday so I had to rely on the 3-FPM to keep me going. It worked very well except at one point when I stopped to take a short break I drank some water and immediately after drinking the water my heart rate went boom, started racing like hell and beating irregular. This is an issue I get from time to time and I have pin-pointed it down to coming from doing physical work like going to the gym at least 45 minutes after I have eaten something or when I drink something really quickly. So I am pretty sure this time it stemmed from doing physical stuff and drinking water, and not the 3-FPM per se, not saying it didn't have anything to do with it but it also not saying it is only to blame.


After work I came home at around 6am and decided to stay up until 4 or 5pm to get some well deserved sleep for the upcoming shift. I ate some breakfast, had some coffee and at ~4pm I ate dinner and immediately after I took 0.125mg Flubromazolam (extremely potent RC benzo) and 0.5mg prescribed Clonazepam (Rivotril) both sublingually (under the tongie) and I slept like a baby until I had to get up at 1:15am and prepare for work.
I took a small dose before leaving and after half the shift had passed I took one more minor dose. With minor dose it could be anything from 10-30mg, it is really hard to know since I was eyeballing. But this kept me going.


After this shift I decided to stay up until the evening again but since my work was done for a while now I could relax. Took the last of the 3-FPM during the day to keep me going and while I felt that I was tired, at least my body was after two nights of work I had no problem staying awake, but I guess I could have fallen asleep if I just went to bed. I took 0.25mg Flubromazolam in the evening and fell asleep quickly as expected.


I would estimate that it took three to four days for my next order to arrive and from what I can remember I didn't feel any particular withdrawals. Of course there were these "flu" symptoms everyone talks about but I figured those originated from my pollen allergies and was made worse from the snorting.
I had no fever or muscle/joint ache. Only like a regular cold which can be very much like the symptoms from my pollen allergies instead.


So the 1g from the same shop as the last 500mg came from arrived and honestly I have no clue on how much or often I used from then (~May 6) until now. But I know that I never went above 80mg in one dose and always kept it to smalle doses and refilled every now and then.


I only had one more long binge from here one, that I am certain on and it lasted for ~+60 hours or something but it wasn't as easy to 'not feel tired' as my first long-session binge.
But I guess I continued to use it to stay away for ~24-36 hours at a time and getting some sleep with help from the benzos, which I know isn't a good sleep since science points at evidence that leads us to believe that our sleep is effected by the benzo (each benzo is different of course) but if I recall correctly the general idea is that taking benzo to help you sleep gives you less of the much needed NREM 3 stage of the sleep cycle and shorter REM cycles. "NREM 3 is the phase which most relieves subjective feelings of sleepiness and restores the body." (Quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep#Stages) and lack of REM sleep impairs the ability to learn complex tasks.
I would give you some sources on this but since I haven't read it in a long while I am sorry that I can't. But feel free to disprove me, I could be wrong. Anyhow, the best sleep is the normal sleep and not drug-induced sleep, at least I would say that sounds most logical to me. But this is outside of the topic.


Like I said, from that point on up until now I can't remember much more clearly on how I used it but I wasn't on it 24/7. I had a few days break every now and then to let my body rest and during these days I never felt any side effects worse than the "cold" symptoms and a little sadness. I could possibly have been easily irritaded on of the days but whether that was due to lack of 3-FPM or something I don't know since it only happened once.


This last week that has now passed I tried 3-FPM orally twice. First time on thursday evening and I am not sure about the dose, like I mentioned earlier I never took more than 80mg in one dose but this could have been more. Anyhow I didn't feel much difference from when taking smaller doses nasally, also I had just eaten. And then I started drinking and I drank quite much that night and always refilled the 3-FPM. Some reports that this combination makes it more like the effects on cocaine but I have to disagree. For both me and my friend it completely removed the effects of the alcohol, we weren't drowsy, didn't slur or walk badly.
Actually, coming to think of it, I combined alcohol with 3-FPM maybe two weeks before this point but then way less alcohol than this time and then it made me really tired, no matter how much I refilled with 3-FPM.
So I have to go with the others who reported that 3-FPM removes the effects of the alcohol.


During the friday I took some to keep me going and went to sleep with 0.5mg Flubromazolam. Woke up early in the morning and took a small dose since I had to go meet a friend for a few hours. That one kept me going until the evening where I took the last I had during the night with the last dose at maybe 3am. This wasn't more than maybe a 100mg but a little 3-FPM goes a long away in terms of keeping you going.


Now I am going to wait much longer time until I take it the next time because I must say, even with my limited experiences of stimulants this one is really good but I don't know the long-term effects/side effects yet.
So far about five days has passed and I have felt nothing weird, but I have been using small doses of Flubromazolam for sleep and my prescribed Clonazepam for a muscle issue I've got. Also I took some Tramadol yesterday, had been a long time since my last opiate session and a friend had some new ones we had never seen before, just taking one 50mg pill (not capsule as we are used to) to see if it was the real deal then going up to 500mg total and it really made me nod the night away.
So I guess I have been keeping whatever potential withdrawal effects away with other drugs.


But in moderate doses and even long term use I must say that it feel pretty safe, especially with a few days of breaks here and there.


There is one thing about it I feel that I have only been teased on, and that is the euphoric effects. I have taken MDMA and Ecstasy several years before and during those nights I took more 3-FPM than usual I got these tingling feelings on different parts of my body, from anywhere like my left inner thigh or my chest to the top of my head. Like extremely small rushes from Ecstasy.
And people who reportedly took 200-300mg in one dose have reported MDMA like euphoria effects. So when I have let my body rest for a while, hopefully without benzos, I will try 200 or 300mg orally and hopefully get a nice euphoria rush. But from what I have read it doesn't last for more than up to an hour. But been having teased so many times I really feel like I need to try it. I haven't taken MDMA or Ecstasy since 2008 so a nice euphoria rush would be a nice change for once.


MY THOUGHTS
I never mentioned that while on 3-FPM I had a harder time breathing, not that it was unpleasant, it was so minor that could have stay with it. But since I have medicine for my asthma I took that and it helped for a long time.
At first I thought this was due to some of the 3-FPM coming into my lungs from doing it nasally. But it also occured when I did it orally. I don't really know what to make of that. Could be a prolonged side effect from mostly snorting it I guess. But when I'm off it the issue isn't there.


The difference effect-wise of doing it orally or nasally is both major and minor at the same time. It is so hard to pin-point the exact differences but the second time I tried it orally I hadn't eaten for many hours and I waited at least three hours after before I did a quick sniff.
During these three hours I felt... "awake", I guess, and more energy but I wasn't hyperactive. I don't know exactly but there is definetly a difference between the different kinds of ways you can take it. I am never going to smoke nor IV it though so my experiences will always be limited to orally and nasally.


REGARDING COMEDOWN/WITHDRAWAL
I must admit that I am confused about these withdrawal effects since I felt them even when I was on the 3-FPM and taking my pollen allergy medicine which contains loratadine (Claritin, Alavert, Loratadine etc) reduced all these "cold" symptoms by like 10 times, I am not joking, it was really made that much better. That's why I'm thinking it might be the pollen allergy but if that's true I have had almost no withdrawal effects whatsoever except minor sadness.
And at one point when I decided to stop using it for a while I started reading on forums about the withdrawals and when I do this (this isn't the first time, I have done it with all types of drugs I have used) I start to worry, often unnescessarily. But it leads to minor anxiety which in turn leads to increased heart rate. But 0.25mg Flubromazolam or 0.5mg Clonazepam (even though it being more of a muscle relexant than anxielytic) helped to remove the anxiety completely, and my heart rate went back to normal.


ADVICES FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES
Make sure to eat and drink like you normally would do, even if it is really hard and just thinking about food might make you want to vomit.
A little 3-FPM (10-40mg) goes a long away in terms of just keeping you going. For a rush you need way more.
It is WAY TO EASY to "just take one more sniff" all the time.
There seem to be some kind of ceiling that you can't pass when you've reached it. With that said I have been reaching this ceiling more quickly in the end of this month which I guess suggest that the half-life of this compound is pretty long. This is one of the reasons I need to stay away from it for a while now, to document the effects and let my body and brain recover.


The 5g that I have ordered will have to wait for a bit. I need to see if anything happens while I'm recovering from this month, hopefully it doesn't and then I have found my favorite RC stim.


If you have any questions do not hesitate to ask me, I will try my best to answer you.


Be well and stay safe!
 
Excellent report whitegreen, you should stick that on erowid or something
 
Excellent report whitegreen, you should stick that on erowid or something
Thank you! I might do that =) But I will probably add some stuff that has come to my mind now afterwards. But honestly, I have felt almost none to zero "withdrawals". Although I have been using some benzos during this time post last time I used it, it probably has something to do with. Only thing was some MINOR (with a big emphasize on MINOR) pressure on the left side of the chest. I didn't get worried at all and it disappeared in a minute or two.
 
What do you guys recommend as a start dose for a first timer ? I rarely ever use stimulates as I am a opiate type person .
Does snorting this work ?
 
What do you guys recommend as a start dose for a first timer ? I rarely ever use stimulates as I am a opiate type person .
Does snorting this work ?

Snorting works perfectly, it's my preferable way of ingesting it but after a longer use it will completely fuck up your nose.

Start with a SMALL dose either under the tongue (this might hurt depending on the batch) or a the same small amount up the nose as a type of allergy test. Wait 40-60 minutes and if you feel okay it all depends on what kind of rush you want to achieve.

Some people take 200-300mg orally for a more euphoric rush, personally on 150mg orally I felt no real euphoria. My personal preference is to take 10-50mg up the nose every now and then. This will keep you awake but with almost no physical side effects at all. Be sure to eat and drink normally though since 3-FPM suppress your hunger almost completely.

Be careful and stay safe, if you have anymore questions just shoot!
 
it does indeed produce minor stimulation but thats about it... but i am used to snort 250mg-1000mg lines of 4-mmc so thats probbly the problem
 
What do you guys recommend as a start dose for a first timer ? I rarely ever use stimulates as I am a opiate type person .
Does snorting this work ?

Yeah snorting works, 50mg up the hoofer worked nicely for me. But was very brutal on my nose
 
Yeah snorting works, 50mg up the hoofer worked nicely for me. But was very brutal on my nose
Anyone who can snort this compound - I really don't know how you do it.
'Tis pretty feckin' corrosive to organic tissue, whether that's due to the pH being ~9, 'Phenidate contamination or reagents such as phenylacetone remaining in the end product, I'm not entirely sure. Something to consider if one would like to keep a functioning nose. At the very least use a saline solution to administer the compound and make sure to flush with sterile saline frequently.
 
Did anyone work out loose guidelines in regards to pH and osmolarity for solutions when IVing?

I'm still considering trying this x-phenmetrazine, but the other metrazines I did left me with a long hangover and were caustic as fuck.. even though I did get a pretty damn good rush out of mephenmetrazine. The blood I registered with instantly spiralled into a black death tornado of murdered bloodcells and to be honest if I wasn't high as fuck at the time I don't think I'd have pushed the plunger down.. kinda scary stuff.

Either way, I'd still like to know if anyone figured out anything, I know somewhere buried in this thread cr00k mentioned it and I know some others have been IVing so I imagine somenoe came up with something. I still have a hard spot from a single miss of meph about a month and a half ago.. worst reaction to date from a miss too, and I've fucked up some shit before.
 
Did anyone work out loose guidelines in regards to pH and osmolarity for solutions when IVing?

I'm still considering trying this x-phenmetrazine, but the other metrazines I did left me with a long hangover and were caustic as fuck.. even though I did get a pretty damn good rush out of mephenmetrazine. The blood I registered with instantly spiralled into a black death tornado of murdered bloodcells and to be honest if I wasn't high as fuck at the time I don't think I'd have pushed the plunger down.. kinda scary stuff.

Either way, I'd still like to know if anyone figured out anything, I know somewhere buried in this thread cr00k mentioned it and I know some others have been IVing so I imagine somenoe came up with something. I still have a hard spot from a single miss of meph about a month and a half ago.. worst reaction to date from a miss too, and I've fucked up some shit before.

I'm pretty sure crOOk figured it out here in the thread somewhere. Back up a few pages or search for it. I'm not an IV-guy myself so I don't know the terms. But I'm pretty sure it was either crOOk or someone else who figured it out. Should be here somewhere =) Be careful, someone had some tissue damage from using a strong mixture (not sure if that's the correct term but I'm pretty sure you know what I mean :P).

Take care!
 
Did anyone work out loose guidelines in regards to pH and osmolarity for solutions when IVing?

I'm still considering trying this x-phenmetrazine, but the other metrazines I did left me with a long hangover and were caustic as fuck.. even though I did get a pretty damn good rush out of mephenmetrazine. The blood I registered with instantly spiralled into a black death tornado of murdered bloodcells and to be honest if I wasn't high as fuck at the time I don't think I'd have pushed the plunger down.. kinda scary stuff.

Either way, I'd still like to know if anyone figured out anything, I know somewhere buried in this thread cr00k mentioned it and I know some others have been IVing so I imagine somenoe came up with something. I still have a hard spot from a single miss of meph about a month and a half ago.. worst reaction to date from a miss too, and I've fucked up some shit before.
The safest concetration was found to be 35-40mg per ml
 
I'm gonna get a few grams of this stuff to help me out with the inevitable stim w/ds I will be facing. It won't be a full replacement but it should be better than nothing (I noticed this combines really, really well with caffeine also)

I have been prescribed various ADHD meds since the age of 15 (Adderall, then later Dexedrine). Around January I switched insurance and had to go to a new psych, who found out about my past and current substance use. He switched my Dexedrine to Nuvigil (Armodafinil or R-Modafinil, which is actually a fairly nice stim) and now has dropped my stimulants all together :/ so in the past few months I've had to switch from 25mg Dexedrine XR daily to 150mg R-Modafinil, now I'm at 75mg R-Modafinil/day and only have a week or two supply left.

I need stimulants to not fail out of school and work and life, my work load is too heavy and my brain is simply too scattered.

Anywho, hopefully 3FPM will be a good replacement for R-Modafinil while I find a new psych. Here's the catch, even if this new psych also requires quitting THC as a requirement for prescribing stims, I'm fully prepared to do that now - I will have to pee clean for an upcoming interview, so I'll have to lay off the weedstuffs for a bit :/

But a break from weed/hash oil should be nice to clear my head. And then I'll be on stimulants so my productivity will be higher than ever. Here's hoping a few grams of this stuff can tide me over till stuff with the new psych works itself out.
 
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