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RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

Found the issue with the new scale, part of it is loose and you have to push it down so it doesn't affect the weighing pan. I'll stick something up about my opinions on 3-FPM as a functional stim after I'm done with exams. For now though, sleeeeeep.

Well, exams are over, so I can analyse how the 3-FPM worked for me now. Overall, it seemed perfect as a caffeine-substitute/booting brain to proper functionality, as well as a good tiredness suppressant. Exams 2 and 3, the 40 mg dose/redose did not seem to be enough to provide consistent enhancement beyond standard. Combined well with caffeine, although I suspect fluoxetine is breaking caffeine somewhat, so the crash/boost cycle from that was a bit annoying to have overlaid on the 3-FPM. I think I would have liked longer to recover between exams to get full effectiveness from a 40 mg dose, or with the schedule I have I potentially would have needed higher doses for later exams. Overall though, it definitely gave me the performance levels I needed, and I have no doubt without it I would not have done nearly as well.

For tonight, given that I have scaled up tolerance somewhat, I think I will be capping 70 mg hits, and determining redosing schedule as the night goes on, depending on if I have judged my tolerance right or undershot again.
 
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25-30mg as a starting dose if you are taking this as a functional stimulant

again, seriously, 500mg doses? thats fucking nuts, I thought people are being reckless IVing 150mg ... a good schedule would be something like 4 doses of 25-35mg daily, every 4-6 hours or so. so maybe 100-120mg in a day total.

as for combinations, 3FPM combines great with probably most things. Just be very careful with the stimulant+dissociative combination, that shit could get you to the hospital 'cause it could mess you up bad

non-serotoninergic NMDA antagonist
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Diphenidine?
 
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Recieved some 3-FPM From my usual vendor. The chems have always been great quality, but this time when it is melted, instead of turning to the usual clear liquid the liquid is turning a blue/green colour. After prolonged exposure to heat the bluey green colour dissapears and changes to the amber colour

Anyone able to shed any light on this and what it might be? In its powder form it is the usual brilliant white colour and there is zero signs of anything unusual, the only other thing that is different is a slight change in taste. Im quite experienced with this chem having consumed 76g (and counting) with my friend, so im quite puzzled.

(The foil is clean and is still the same roll i have been using the day before yesterday for a previous batch that produced clear liquid)

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I havent experienced any negative or unusual side effects from this batch
 
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Well, there's something else in there--something that's burning off under heat. And probably a very low % contamination. But there's no way for us to tell you what it is without you getting it tested.
 
messing around with the chem.
It dissolves entirely in room temp water. also heating the powder until it ignites, it produces a yellowish green flame. heating powder on tinfoil produces the greenish colored beads

After a bit of a google session im thinking that the reaction causing the green tint to the melted powder could possibly be Borax reacting with white copper sulphate. probably wrong but worth a go :)
 
lynx2051 said:
Has anyone had any interactions with this and 20mg fluoxetine?
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I'm on fluox and have been using this somewhat regularly. Haven't noticed any real interactions between the two, although since I take a bunch of other stuff at the same time as 3-FPM, I can't say for sure. I believe that fluoxetine can have some effects on blood pressure, and 3-FPM has significant vasoconstrictive effects, so definitely keep an eye on that. Not sure if fluox extends aftereffects at all, as I definitely get a few days of not feeling fully okay after a session, but Sprout (over in EADD) describes similar effects and as far as I know he isn't on fluoxetine.

All that said, I'm just about done with this crap, I'm giving it one more go at 60 mg dosing with no DXM, but if it leaves me feeling screwed up into the week I'm chucking my stash and getting some speed instead. Just not worth it IMO.
 
sekio said:
how the hell are you guys getting such insane tolerances, even after regular usage my doses never go above about 30-40mg per dose??
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I had no tolerance whatsoever when I did my 500mg shots. There are people who seek to be stimulated from stimulants which requires low to moderate doses. Then there are people after the rush of smoked/IV stimulants and in my experience they take doses that can easily be 10 times what the former use. I belong to the latter category I'm afraid.
 
In bought 3 grams a couple months ago. I would easily rail 200-300 mgs in a night.

My job requires that I be alert and very functional for my 7am start. I always felt like I could redose forever and had to force myself to stop. It was pretty easy to stop redosing, but even at 200-300mg a night, it was a very mild comedown. Insomnia was quite pronounced, but I am a light sleeper and many drugs induce insomnia for me. YMMV. Also felt quite caustic to snort. Orally worked well too, I guess I'm just a sucker for snorting things. Both ROAs made me feel tingly all over. Orally and insufflated felt like they had similar bioavailability.

After my 3G bag was gone, the only reason I never bought more was because it seemed too good to be true. I could see myself easily developing a cocaine style psychological dependence where I could just redose forever. I read lots of stories here on bluelight where I noticed this pattern of use developing with 3-fpm users.

It's a strong drug in its own way though. Paradoxically mild/benign, yet powerful and all encompassing. I bet if you push the envelope with this one some kind of dark side would rear its head eventually. Considering its RC status and its lack of history of human consumption, I chose to not pursue this one further, even though it was a lot of fun.

I read this entire thread a few times, and my gut feeling told me to lay off the 3-fpm.

Totally fun awesome drug though. I think I'll just save my money and brain for Coke and ketamine though when I feel like partying. I have enough issues with those two as it is. Stay safe bluelight!
 
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A quick question for all those who are vaping/smoking 3-fpm. What are you guys doing with the resideue that builds up in your pipe/ biro case etc... is anyone recycling it?
 
Has anyone taken a large 3-500mg dose with no tolerance in capsule form? All this time I've been Iving 3-500 doses which give an awesome almost overwhelming rush but I wonder what it would be like to bomb 500mg's on an empty stomach with no tolerance. It could perhaps be similiar to E for a good hour or two. I know IV always dramatically decreases the length of effects. I'd really like to get away from the needle but it is just so easy to throw a bunch in a mixer and draw it up, register and pull the trigger. Instant gratification rather than waiting 20-30 minutes for the oral effects which may not provide a rush or euphoria.

I've only ever snorted or Iv'd the drug which turned to straight IV due to the addicting nature of the rush.
 
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A quick question for all those who are vaping/smoking 3-fpm. What are you guys doing with the resideue that builds up in your pipe/ biro case etc... is anyone recycling it?
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When I had my 3-from I used a straw made of foil and scrapped the residue because it can be a lot. And it's such a joy to see it melt. I would never use anything other than a foil straw, it's just so easy to open it and collect the resin.
 
varimix said:
Has anyone taken a large 3-500mg dose with no tolerance in capsule form? All this time I've been Iving 3-500 doses which give an awesome almost overwhelming rush but I wonder what it would be like to bomb 500mg's on an empty stomach with no tolerance. It could perhaps be similiar to E for a good hour or two. I know IV always dramatically decreases the length of effects. I'd really like to get away from the needle but it is just so easy to throw a bunch in a mixer and draw it up, register and pull the trigger. Instant gratification rather than waiting 20-30 minutes for the oral effects which may not provide a rush or euphoria.

I've only ever snorted or Iv'd the drug which turned to straight IV due to the addicting nature of the rush.
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Dropping a half gram in a single capsule does not sound in any possible way a good idea.
IME this drug is one of the few that carries such an insane variability in effects based on the RoA so much so that a comparison between oral and IV Diamorphine is not hyperbolic.
I am intimately acquainted with the beast it becomes when combined with the hollow Hell of hypodermic Heaven and as such I have to suggest pretty much anything aside from stabbing with cold steel like a suicidal serial killer.

If you do decide on encapsulation and oral use I have a feeling you will be pleasantly surprised, it certainly resembles the typical Amphetamines rather than the ubercompulsive Crack it becomes when absorbed rapidly. There is even an oddly empathogenic feeling to oral that is drowned out by the Dopamine flood of instant gratification routes. Try 50-100mg and judge for yourself far before even contemplating ~0.5g.

Plugging provides the most well rounded effect profile in my experience, the duration is solid but not overly extensive and the dosage required is lower than one would expect. It provides a decent mix of functional stimulation and recreational capacity without the overwhelming compulsiveness.
I am not qualified to comment on whether he is correct but crOOk has noted a few times that rectal administration of stimulants may lead to ischaemic colitis and so isn't the greatest idea. However one must weigh up the risks presented by compulsive redosing of a major vasoconstrictor via the spike while dealing with a visual field that shakes almost as much as the tremor causes one's hands to.

Vaping is almost exclusively my RoA and has been for a long while. The rush it provides is honestly not that far off that of the intravenous route and the dosage required is minuscule. One can titrate the dose with ease until the desired effect is reached rather than the immediate overdose risk the needle brings to the table. I will say it is horrendously compulsive and the mortal enemy of a healthy respiratory system but the spike is the enemy of every system.
I would not suggest new users even think of going the route of fumes and fiending but to me it seems a better option than IV.
 
While the IV route to me is very addictive I don't really find it crack like in the sense I'm doing a shot every hour because I found I can really only get 1 to 2 good rushes then no matter how much I inject never seems to provide a rush unless I wait a full 24 hours. With Coke I'm injecting again after 20 mins and can get multiple rushes but find it way more compulsive.

1 shot usually lasts me 2-3 hours then I may do one more for the night and that will keep me up all night until the next day.

Why would you say 500mg in a cap is not a good idea when I always do 350-500mg shots?

I know it wouldnt provide that powerful rush but I figued it may provide a low level long lasting rush which resembles MDMA quite a bit. It makes sense that you say I may be surprised and enjoy empathogenic effects.
 
varimix said:
While the IV route to me is very addictive I don't really find it crack like in the sense I'm doing a shot every hour because I found I can really only get 1 to 2 good rushes then no matter how much I inject never seems to provide a rush unless I wait a full 24 hours. With Coke I'm injecting again after 20 mins and can get multiple rushes but find it way more compulsive.

1 shot usually lasts me 2-3 hours then I may do one more for the night and that will keep me up all night until the next day.

Why would you say 500mg in a cap is not a good idea when I always do 350-500mg shots?

I know it wouldnt provide that powerful rush but I figued it may provide a low level long lasting rush which resembles MDMA quite a bit. It makes sense that you say I may be surprised and enjoy empathogenic effects.
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I'd rather not be the guy on a HR forum advising half gram dosages of a compound active at less than 5% of that figure. ;)

Ahhhh, it would appear you have a level of self-control far exceeding my own.
When I was jabbing the shit it didn't matter about the high that followed, I was digging around for the goldrush every half hour or so until I ran out.

But really if you're going through a whole gram in 2 or 3 shots a tolerance break is not a bad idea in the slightest.
IME the tolerance drop is pretty quick. 4/5 weeks was all it took to go from shooting 250mg+ to 40/50mg.
 
do u guys smoke it? I struggle to keep away from my h n white so I smoke this n GET a loverly mild nice cosy high that lastscatvleast six hours after 100mg over two hours

I smoke ethenidine or wever its called to satisfy my occ need for a bag and again that's got a brilliant calm subtle high

I heard smoking 3fpm was singled out as cancerous????

I like eating it well dumping some in red bull before djing n doing some whatever sparkle was I have a g of the? Indian stuff? mpa\3fpm\red bull n sparkle mdai that it meh gabbapentin n downers I'm on trying to join in

so who smokes this? it's much nicer than MPA, I find if I've had my MPA orally then smoke this later it gives the buzz without cheesecn plastic MPA vibe

it's nice orally but its not MPA or wizz. I mixed MPA n 3fpm n redbull in double helpings cos I wascbored n got a lot of things done over 12 plus hours. haha 3fpm seems to keep u awake longer directly related to how greedy u were smoking it originally. I'm awake from last night n its 2pm day three now but I've had crack n brown today nbdowners. it's mad h and downers with 3fpm go nicely cosy together to read MANGA watch a film or anime. it's so not pushy in slightest its like the last hour on speed where ur trying to sleep but can't I have some banging techno fictional version of safety dance 80s tune stuck in my head lol I dj n produce I'm gonna make it for a laugh.

only thing I've had n I've taken all kinds of downers by hand full n bout 7 bags of bobby is one gabbapentin gabbapentin deems to knock this one over wen u just need to sleep.

still better than street crack that's third rc n benzocaine, third BICARB n crap and third some tiny bits of coke. part FREEBASES part crack

when I use coke to make a rock BTW I finish the process by adding drop more water n sprinkling BICARB N v quick reheat once main stones been remoced....
 
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