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30x Salvia for first trip?

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I just picked up Salvia from the local bong shop and I am planning on taking it with my friend this weekend (we will be each others sitters) Except, I've been reading a lot of threads and it sounds like 30x is extremely strong to begin with, let alone for someone's first trip. I've never taking any other drugs except for weed. Is this too strong / will the experience be too much to handle? 30x was the lightest extract they had, the guy said they only carried 30x and 60x. Thanks! :D
 
I honestly find salvia extremely uncomfortable and not fun.

I'd personally recommend good ol' mushrooms or LSD for your first trip ever.

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I have only smoked 5x and it fucked me up way more than anything else i've ever done. It is a weird tripping buz and is not what I consider fun. You and your setter need to understand you will be more fucked up than you can imagine for about 10 minutes. Don't worry about the need fora torch you will get plenty high using a lighter.
 
heard too many bad stories about salvia. try DMT if you can get it
 
Salvia is a fascinating psychedelic, but it's not one that I'd start with, it's too intense and short acting.

Your better off with things like LSD and Mushrooms, those are great introduction's to this realm.

With whatever you choose I hope you enjoy it and embrace whatever it teaches you.

Love and Light
 
30x Salvia is very strong. I can easily breakthrough on 5x, so I've never required extracts stronger than 10x. Just use a proportionately small amount. It will be fine for a first time psychedelic experience, but you must expect that you are going to be completely obliterated. You can read reports, but nothing is going to prepare you for the phenomenological nature of the experience. It is intense.

Salvia Divinorum was the experience that turned me away from the mundane pursuits of societal norms to the wonderous explorations of psychedelic conciousness. And I am oh so thankful.
 
I agree with the above post...strange and uncomfortable...

I think it'd be fine for a first trip but boy are you in for a suprise. I had smoked salvia for the first time with experience with other psychedelics and it was still so far off from what I expected. I don't think having past experience with other drugs made a difference when it comes to being ready for it or not. For me, salvia has no comparison to any other psychedelic I have tried. Besides the speed of the onset and comeup being extremly fast, which is similar to DMT. But in NO way are their effects similar.

So basically if you think you can handle it, give it a shot. Salvia left me very dissapointed as it wasn't 'fun', which is what I went into the experience expecting.

Definitly an interesting experience though!
 
If you bought it in a headshop, it's probably not 30x. Headshop brands of salvia are notoriously exaggerated, it's probably equivalent to like 5x-10x of "real" standardised extract. But extract strength doesn't really matter that much, to be honest, and the waters are so muddied with marketing lies that you can't really compare any brand to any other.

Regardless of its strength, however, salvia is a very poor choice for first-time psychedelic use. Having weed experience will help you slightly of course, but you will still be unprepared for the entirely different mental state, and if you end up having a bad experience it could damage you quite severely. If you're used to the effects from LSD, shrooms or whatever then you'll at least know what altered states are like, and are less likely to fall for mystical explanations. Considering you're definitely going to use it though (you wouldn't have bought it if you hadn't already made your mind) I recommend starting with low amounts, mixing it with weed. Hopefully you won't go "too far" that way. Lots of small doses, hold it in for a long time.

And I'm being cautious here because I overdid salvia when i really wasn't ready for it, and regret it. I've since come to enjoy salvia a lot, but it was simply a bad move when I decided to go all-out at the start. Get thoroughly acquainted with the stages before ego-death first.
 
It would depend on the reason you are trying this but I agree that it is in most cases not a suitable first trip choice.

Stronger extracts like any above 5-10x are not really different than plain leaf but only more potent. It is harder to gauge a correct dose from any preparation that is considerably potent especially if you eyeball it (guesstimate doses instead of weighing them on a scale).

Consider that mushrooms are generally dosed quite precisely (and it is indeed foolish not to) but why should it be any different with Salvia? Because it lasts for a shorter time? There might be a broader dose range but that doesn't mean it's smart to just randomly put an amount in a pipe and see where it gets you. This is the reason stronger extracts are generally not tolerated so well: they are often put equally casually into a pipe vastly increasing the unpredictability of the outcome.
Though if you are weighing your doses on a milligram scale there is not really a reason why a dose of 30x extract would be that different from a dose double that amount of 15x. There is one difference though: the less potent your extract (or plain leaf) is, the more plant material there is to combust that only serves as a carrier so to speak. So as long as you can weigh accurately stronger extracts would be preferable IMO but above 30x (or even 10x) I don't see the point anymore.

There may be marketing lies as the poster above me said, but when the manufacturer is truthful about the product extracts should be standardized. When they are standardized they should be comparable at the same potencies.

Save the salvia for later and get different drugs first that are more classically psychedelic. Salvia is very a-typical! There is a significant dissociative aspect to it. I found it very confusing and complex though I never had a blast-off breakthrough experience. Actually I just did not find it very helpful in any respect.
After you have tried real psychedelics you could always choose to return to the salvia, but when you do perhaps look into buccal / sublingual dosing instead of smoking.

check out this similar thread: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=497473
 
The reason I tried salvia for my first trip is because I was unsure if I would like the whole tripping thing, and the intense but short acting trip is what appealed to me. I love me some salvia (very much so actually) but after trying more conventional psychedelic drugs like acid and shrooms I can now tell why many people do not like salvia. It is very different than all of the others. Most drugs trips will enhance or slightly distort the world in front of you and around you, but salvia has a tendency to (if a strong enough dose is used) completely scramble your environment and take away some very real constants (sense of direction, personal borders or sense of personal space, linear planes, that sort of thing) so it can be confusing. I personally think it's kind of neat, and I like how I can be back to real life in a matter of minutes and completely carry on with my day (now just in a better mood) as if nothing happened at all after 30 minutes or so.

As far as the 30X question goes, if you bought it from a headshop who knows what you got. That stuff that comes in boxes and is sold as "um, incense" IME is never what it's listed as. I have gotten some really good home made 30X that works wonders. I have had some 40X that I bought in a shop that barely touched me. I don't think anything bad will come from trying the 30X just don't go crazy and smoke way too much because you may not like it. Do some research (which it seems like you may have done a little) and get your smoking technique down, and of course make sure to be in a safe environment.

Also, I have a friend who is pretty straight-edge. Very rarely uses any substance besides the occasional drink or two at the bar. Over the years I have gotten him to try a few drugs like weed, opiates, and cocaine, but the only time I ever saw him really enjoy himself with drugs were the few times we took turns smoking salvia together. The first time that he did it we had some 20X stuff from a shop and he liked it but admitted that even he didn't get much from it. The next few times we had some of that home made 30X I previously mentioned and I just remember seeing him laugh and giggle like a little kid and usually ended up staring straight up above where he was laying and trying to speak a form of gibberish to someone/ something. Still the only time I think he liked using drugs, so who knows you might really enjoy yourself. Have fun whatever you chose to do.


EDIT: Also I noticed someone up above me said to try mixing it with weed, I would definitely recommend against doing this. Just my two cents.
 
I have to echo the opinion that Salvia isn't fun, nor comfortable at all. I've had a bit of 10x salvia lying around for 2 years now, and have only managed to muster up the courage to do it 3 times.

It can be an interesting experience, but not pleasant in the least.
 
You should start with 5-15x. 20x is the highest I've done, and it was too much for me. If all you have is 30, then start with a very small amount, no more than you can smoke in one hit, or even half a hit. 30x would probably would probably work pretty well sub-lingually. Try putting a pinch in your gum (like chewing tobacco) and hold it there without swallowing at all for as long as you can (half hour should do it). Its a lot more gentle, and more similar to a traditional psychedelic than smoking it.
 
Solipsis, when I was talking about marketing lies I was specifically referring to headshop multiplier overinflation. The strength listed on packaging in a headshop will have very little to do with how strong it actually is. Everything else you said in your post I agree with; the strength isn't really that important, as you should be able to adjust the mass you're smoking to get your desired dose, regardless of how concentrated your extract is. If your extract is standardised, then obviously comparisons are a lot more accurate. Basically, I agree with RecklessWOT.

Reckless, I suppose mixing with weed isn't necessarily a good idea. The experience for me is quite significantly different, exaggerating the visual (and euphoric - though i know lots of people don't experience this) effects of low-doses. It also colors the weed, making the duration of your high pretty trippy, which I thought might be fun for the OP. But seeing as I've seen never smoked a huge amount mixed with weed, and i've seen quite a few reports of people "ruining" weed for themselves by mixing it with salvia, I probably shouldn't have recommended it.
 
My first time smoking salvia was with 40x, and every single time after that I used 80x. In my opinion, you should be fine if you have a sitter with you. Salvia is a VERY STRONG hallucinogenic, especially at a concentration higher than 10x. So be prepared to TRIP BALLS. This stuff is no joke it will send you to another planet for 10 minutes. Personally after about 50 or so salvia trips (with friends and alone) it started becoming an uncomfortable feeling rather than an enjoyable feeling.

Take only one hit, and hold it in as long as you can. As soon as you exhale you will be sent away. Expect your heart to race and palms to get sweaty. I don't like that part.

Personally I'm never going to do salvia again, mushrooms are way better!

Have fun and be safe!
 
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IME i did a way higher extract my first time and ti was pretty intense, salvia can be disphoric though
 
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