3-MMC vs 4-MMC How do they measure up?

[Phobos]

The batch matters a whole lot with 3-MMC. The most recent batch I tried of 3-MMC (crystal chunks as opposed to powder) was incredible, even better than any 4-MMC I've had to be honest, though I never tried the original 4-MMC that everyone says is the best.

I've read somewhere that the original 4-MMC was actually a mix of 4-MMC and 3-MMC, due to the precursor used for the first batches being a mix of 3-Methyl and 4 Methyl-something I can't remember.
Later batches where made with a pure precursor and where relatively pure 4MMC.

 

[Feretile]

I think it's just that the synthesis produces a mixture. I believe it begins with toluene.... so it cannot get MUCH cheaper

If their are NMR & GC-MS files, why is nobody uploading them? Who is actually reading them? I see no signs of instrumentation data.

 

[arrall]

If their are NMR & GC-MS files, why is nobody uploading them? Who is actually reading them? I see no signs of instrumentation data.

Here are the DrugsData database results. Unfortunately, most don't test product obtained from "trustworthy" clearnet RC sites so most of these are probably from dodgy DNM vendors.
I'd imagine that the major NL-based lab & wholesale distributor that is named after a reptile used to have GC-MS data up, but I can't find it now that they don't make 3-MMC anymore.

 

[hardtack]

Feel the Euphoria but empathogen no where near what 4 MEC or METHYLONE offered. Feels good but just basic rush and no hard core empathogen ! Got to say when Chinese made those they did it RIGHT!!!!!! Not really bad but feel of closeness just not there. Doves give off very strong euphoric rush but that's it! 4 MEC and METHYLONE kicked in and you really wanted to be social! Not bad but lacks that empathy one desires for sure! Still not to bad -must say

 

[hardtack]

Anyone out there with experience of both who can illuminate the differences for those of us who are still in the dark about 3-MMC. Does 3-mmc stack up? For me 4-mmc was hard to beat. I just encountered 3-mmc on a site and really want to order! If it's like 4-MMC 1 gram won't be enough. I might have ordered 1g of 4mmc one time. That's it. After that it was 10g at a time until I bought a kilo. I'm thinking if 3-mmc is really like 4mmc I might go in for another kilo....

Doing allot of it now Stim --gotta say like I usually do 4 MEC must have most prefect creation of cross between mild molly and methamphetamine mix I ever done! It was perfect literally !!! If had only known would have had 5 kilos of that. Never knew and well who ever could make that in quantity is my hero! As far as 3 MMC it's ok but must re-dose like hell to keep effect going and seems waste. It's OK and after the morning effects are wow!..... like handful of Viagra. So guess it does have some advantage if you need excitement and sex drug?LOL

 

[simstim]

Doing allot of it now Stim --gotta say like I usually do 4 MEC must have most prefect creation of cross between mild molly and methamphetamine mix I ever done! It was perfect literally !!! If had only known would have had 5 kilos of that. Never knew and well who ever could make that in quantity is my hero! As far as 3 MMC it's ok but must re-dose like hell to keep effect going and seems waste. It's OK and after the morning effects are wow!..... like handful of Viagra. So guess it does have some advantage if you need excitement and sex drug?LOL

I've had a few grams of 3-MMC now myself and I liked it a lot. I actually just ordered some more.

I was big into 4-MMC and methylone and would rate the 3-MMC I get up with those. I've heard there are some not so great batches out there though.

I only tried 4-MEC once and it came premixed with either pentedrone or pentylone. I forget which, but the combo was not so great. I always wished I'd tried 4-MEC solo.

I tried 4-EMC a few times but didn't care for it much. It didn't feel much like a roll at all. It also seemed pretty heavy on norepinephrine. Like an NDRI with an unfavorable ratio of norepinephrine to dopamine.

 

[hardtack]

I've had a few grams of 3-MMC now myself and I liked it a lot. I actually just ordered some more.

I was big into 4-MMC and methylone and would rate the 3-MMC I get up with those. I've heard there are some not so great batches out there though.

I only tried 4-MEC once and it came premixed with either pentedrone or pentylone. I forget which, but the combo was not so great. I always wished I'd tried 4-MEC solo.

I tried 4-EMC a few times but didn't care for it much. It didn't feel much like a roll at all. It also seemed pretty heavy on norepinephrine. Like an NDRI with an unfavorable ratio of norepinephrine to dopamine.

OMG Stim 4 MEC was awesome it was exactly like a mild Molly and Best Cocaine rush combined. Pentylone was awesome in it's own right but guess I found bliss with 4 Mec...cannot tell you how much bliss I had at my club on that one! Dancing and partying for about 6 hours and No side effects...NONE! It was like perfectly designed ! I have done my fair share of crack, coke; and even Real Molly and to me 4 MEC was perfect! I can tell you allot of professional dancing girls partied with me on that one and no regrets NONE!!!! I thank lord and certain country to have made that one ...if I had only known I would have had MIG fighter jets fly that in bulk....Shit you not!!!! I would have paid millions cause they got that down right! I found bliss ...not the kind of heavy duty rush of Pure XTC of 90s but like a balance that just was exactly as stated ---Best of the best designer drug ever created on Earth. Yeah USA cannot build even long lasting car, that Asian country did it perfect on that one but Chinese know their SHIT when it comes to chemical engineering !!!! Now of course take that step further 6 APB ...off the scale ------! 3 MMC is ok it's little rush and some euphoria but methyl methyl attachment is hard on the body and you just don't get that empathy like 4 MEC. More euphoric and slight tingle of empathy. Good but no where near as powerful as the original 4 MMC. Did that one and whew strong !!

 

[hardtack]

I've read somewhere that the original 4-MMC was actually a mix of 4-MMC and 3-MMC, due to the precursor used for the first batches being a mix of 3-Methyl and 4 Methyl-something I can't remember.
Later batches where made with a pure precursor and where relatively pure 4MMC.

Could BE or NOT BE the same thing just name placed on old 4 MMC changed...funny never tried the old 4 MMC --it was pulled off the market long before ever got into RCs. Oh don't care because I got all the best of best and well did'nt see it's true value and now 3 MMC and old Methylone does fine. Must say Love the Pentylone but Butylone would sure give you racing heart like monster chunk of pure crack. Guess was very lucky to hve real pure stuff in the good days . Heard even Hexedrone hard to come by? Thats one like to find more about,?

 

[hardtack]

God I want somebody to tell me truthfully DID you have to keep bumping ie snorting 4 MMC to get the rush? I never had to do this with 4 MEC that was pure gold like mild molly and best cocaine combined!

 

[simstim]

I preferred to eat 4-MMC for a longer, more MDMA like roll.

 

[Alwen]

Who says it IS 3MMC? Unless you have a GC-MS, you have no way of knowing.

Remember, 4MMC is still legal in some places, it's synthesis is much cheaper than 3MMC and RC vendors are skirting the law at best, and are not a charity.

Just go to drugtesting.eu and send a sample?

 

[Rectify]

The latest craze is 2-MMC. As far as 3-mmc & 4-mmc, they are both awesome. But a kilo? Yikes.

 

[Pastel]

Well I'm testing 3-mmc for the first time right now and i have to say wow!!! I bombed 317mg and i gotta say it's way more like 4mmc than all the other replacements I've tried.

That's because all 4-mmc that has been available in the last 8 years is 3-mmc plus some adulterants.

 

[Pastel]

Or, maybe just 4MMC is awesome? How would you know WHAT is in the white powder?

If you ever held a bag of 4-MMC in your hand, you would know outright.
But I'll give you three ways to tell 3-MMC and 4-MMC apart.

1. Heat it up it and note the temperature that it liquefies at.
   1. 193.2C - 3-MMC Hcl
   2. 249.6C - 4-MMC Hcl
      
2. On 3-MMC you will feel light-headed. You will feel like the burden has been taken off your shoulders. But you will also feel completely clear-headed. There will be quite a bit left to be desired in terms of warmth. You are not going to have to fight that silly overpowering smile in order to look composed. You should be able to do math without problems and if you are employed in a technical field, you should be able to do relevant calculations, analysis or apply an algorithm. If you decide to drive you will realize that you are focused and energized rather than impaired. Unless you take amounts over 400mg If a cop stops you, he probably is not going to notice that you are affected. You are not going to clench you jaw, you are not going to get the wiggles. Granted, the last couple of points are dose dependent. At 250-300mg of 3-MMC, people will not be able tell if you have taken a psychoactive substance unless you tell it to them yourself. The trip will last for 3.5 hours and will have a somewhat gradual comedown. You probably will need benzos to go to asleep before 5 hours elapse since you have taken the substance. Unless you re-dosed and stayed up all night, you will feel fine tomorrow.
   On 4-MMC you are going to be completely smashed by serotonin. Your mind is going to be very fogy, like on a high dose of safrole-based MDMA. You will look stupidly happy and nothing in the world will make you care to hide it. If you don't re-dose, the trip will end on the clock in 2.5 hours and you should be able to fall asleep unassisted by benzos. You might have a headache / feel head pressure / feel somewhat sickish the next day.
   
   
3. Take a good shower before you take the substance. Put on clean underwear and recently laundered slacks. (They don't have to be pressed.) Keep dancing through the trip and re-dose a few times. Take off and smell you underwear. If it has your normal body odor - it's definitely 3-MMC. If you are blown away by a pungent smell of licorice and cat piss with a whiff of key lime pie aroma on top, and to your surprise the same aroma has permeated your slacks - lucky bustard! - you got yourself real 4-MMC and I want to be your friend!!!