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3,4-dichloro-methylphenidate (3,4-CTMP / 3,4-DCMP)

If you took it two days in a row there is a possibility that you still have some of yesterday's dose in you. I made this mistake the second time I took 2-DPMP, which is even longer. If I hadn't had GHB I am confident I wouldn't have slept for 3 days.

Really that long? I noticed it getting quite strong a few hours ago almost started gurning! Still feel a bit 'sped up' I suppose but it's almost imperceptible most of the time. Whats the purported half life on this? Can't easily find anything. Slept absolutely fine last night.

Definitely not one to be redosing I think.
 
It looks like it has an active metabolite so there are no half life values.

I had the exact same thing with 2-DPMP. Slept fine the first night, dosed the next day and felt very little until 10pm when I had some jaw tension. 5mg+5mg

Much less likely that this will happen here but it does show that it can linger even if one can sleep.
 
Would this be suitable for creative work, like producing electronic music or making cartoons and stuff? There's a number of things like that I do love doing but I can rack the disciprine to get some significant production going. Like effie and probably others I appreciate that it seems to have less recreational value. But I do worry a bit that it might be cognitively dirty.
On a range of jittery to smooth, where is it?

I've got a bit of this and AH-7921 coming my way, ordered in a bit of impulse... regretted it a little but after reading some more I might give it a shot.

If you start very early in the day with a limited subtle dose for some extra drive, is the jitteriness manageable (what dose would be suggested for that) and how significant would you say the insomnia is?
Care to compare to other stims?
 
Would this be suitable for creative work, like producing electronic music or making cartoons and stuff?

no. and the jitteryness is horrible, an order of magnitude worse than with ethyphenidate and mdpv. always has me reaching for benzos, everytime.

unpleasant stuff altogether.

for creative work I'd rather get stoned.
 
wow, that is an ugly view of the drug Ceres.

What doses did you trial?
Do you usually get negatives with stimulants compared to others?

This did seem like something I was thinking of trying but your post is pretty negative :(
 
Madness, this one looks like it'd be ideal to dose 3-4 hours before waking lol. Come 5 or 6 pm I was very high, gurning away and getting distracted by anything and everything.

Would not have been able to act sober round anyone who knew me thats for sure! I think 10-8mg would probably be a better dose, may try it next week.
 
yeah it's very unpredictable. oral gelcapped ROA on an empty stomach with no other drugs would give an honest opnion of what it's like, I think.
 
If solubility an absorption is an issue then it might be useful to eat it with a fatty meal.

Plugging can also be a good way to mitigate unpredicatibility in administration and absorption.
 
yeah it's very unpredictable. oral gelcapped ROA on an empty stomach with no other drugs would give an honest opnion of what it's like, I think.

When I took it, it was on an empty stomach and it completely dissolved in about 15 mg of whiskey. I think it may just be the metabolite being a big cause of effects, either that or a 8-9 hour come up. I assume this isn't vapable?
 
Found it rather functional myself, no ridiculous manic behaviour or mdpv-style wankathons actually managed to study and tidy on this one which is unusual for me on a stimulant. Also one of the few stimulants that I can act perfectly normal on, look people in the eye not talk at megaspeed.
Didn't notice much tachycardia like on ethylphenidate, but vasoconstiction seems to be a problem - annoyingly cold extremities, especially if redosing. The duration is very long - if you want to sleep that evening dose in the morning or not at all.
 
If solubility an absorption is an issue then it might be useful to eat it with a fatty meal.

Plugging can also be a good way to mitigate unpredicatibility in administration and absorption.

DXM HBr isn't particularly water soluble and eating it gelcapped works fine on an empty stomach...the PH of the inside of your nose is a little different than in the inside of your stomach and upper intestinal tract... (at least I'd hope) :P
 
DXM is markedly more soluble in hot/warm water though. That said, I'm just speculating and am actually dubious it is a solubility/absorption issue.
 
I assume this isn't vapable?

I heated some up on glass until it ran clear and steamed, didn't leave any crud but smelt absolutely disgusting. I imagine it might work but it'd be foul.

DXM is markedly more soluble in hot/warm water though. That said, I'm just speculating and am actually dubious it is a solubility/absorption issue.
20mg dissolves in 1ml vodka fine.
 
Still waiting on my sample, wonder how it compares for me to eph which I find one of the best stims.
 
I've tried 3,4-dichloro-methylpheneidate 3 times now (all oral doses) and these are my conclusions:
- it last a longish time (6-7h at least)
- low doses (5-10mg) are quite functional as in it keeps you awake, alert and concentrated
- eph is much more fun even if the dose required is much higher and the duration shorter
- the come down isn't really all that bad and can be overcome without benzos

Overall I'd say it's a good functional stim but if your looking for fun eph is a better choice. Shame really because it could have been a good alternative to eph.

ps
This is coming from a guy that loves eph, so if eph is something you hate, this report might not help you much.
 
I sampled a small sample of this t'other week. Was but a toe in the water though (~5mg or so) and didn't do much at that level for me. An hour or so after dosing (powder, oral) I felt a definite lift - lots of spine tingles and mildly euphoric. Within half an hour or so it faded and I was actually pretty tired. Even had an afternoon nap. Maybe I was just knackered anyway. Seems to have potential but will need a bit of judicious titration methinks... Unfortuntely I seem to have misplaced me sample somewhere. I blame the ketamine. Is definitely around somewhere but almost certainly put it in "a safe place" when ketted so fuck knows where it actually is. Gonna clear a load of crap from the most likely candidate. Wish I'd made up the bloody solution when I meant to - ie shortly before the ket arrived - rather than leaving it. What is it about ketamine and losing stuff :!
 
This stuff is annoying, I find it good for things like coming up with loads of ideas, because it's like new trains of thought leading to other trains of thought changing every 10 mins.

But as soon I sit down to actually do something like coding, I find myself completely involved in it, my attention is focused, but I just keep adding new things or rewriting bits intensely and what should have been something simple and straightforward has suddenly turned into a much larger and complicated project.

I find this constantly going off on tangents happens when I'm reading science journals too, which on the one hand helps me read a load of stuff, but also can feel like after a few hours I'm wondering what the fuck my intent was when I started.

It also gives me this shitty sense of urgency that I have loads to do and can't waste time and I end up getting sort of paralyzed by constantly hopping from one thing to the next as being the one I should start doing, or I'll get 5 minutes into something then do something else, or get distracted, and at the end of the day I get fuck all done if I'm in that state.

Really doesn't suit me for productivity, except extremely small single doses which are subtle enough to be an improvement on caffeine but not enough to cause shit like the above ^ or make me so anxious I need a benzo.

I don't think this class of stimulants is ever going to produce a perfect functional productivity drug, free from shitty side effects.
 
Couldnt you scattered thoughts be just written down and then you evaluate them later when you are not high anymore.
After writing them down you could code what you wanted initially to code.

You could also force yourself to use at least 25minutes for one thing with the pomodoro technique.
This sense of urgency is there with all stimulants thats why you get something done at all, people use it for motivation
 
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