Opioids 2Mg Dilaudid question

[tricomb]

The BL conversion chart has....... "debatable" to say the least.... figures, for at least multiple key substances. For example, I think that the BL conversion chart underestimates the potency of methadone, and overstates the potency of hydrocodone. It's hard to tell due to the sources listed by kokaino.... that's definitely a thread that could use some polishing up and updating. Out of the few sources that kokaino cited that I clicked on, I mostly received 404 server errors so the sources aren't even up to date. This is definitely something I'd like to address in the very near future, but like I've said, it's really hard to make equivalency charts when everyone's built with unique body chemistry and can react EXTREMELY differently to what they read about the drug on paper. For example, I've watched a girl OD on 20mg methadone and no other drugs involved. Most people on here would argue that 20mg methadone is not at all a lethal or even a dangerous dose, but I beg to differ. I think that for acute users, methadone can act 3-4x as potent as oxycodone on a mg/mg basis if you ask me....

 

[Supeudol]

Hydromorphone is still MUCH stronger than Oxy when sniffed. If you were to sniff an Oxy 80 vs sniffing about 18mg of Hydromorphone, the Hydromorphone would blow the oxy out of the water, bar none! I've had both of them scripted to me at different times. Once you get an intranasal Hydromorphone Habit, it is a lot harder to come off than an intranasal oxycodone habit.

Oxycodone is meant to be eaten. It's the only pill that has a high enough B/A. that eating it is the best ROA. There is no point in shooting Oxycodone really, unless you actually want that 13% more, and it won't last as long either. Once again, Oxycodone is meant to be eaten, not snorted or injected. If its OxyContin, then just chew it up nicely and then swallow. if its Oxy-IR- please use your head and do not snort these, just take them and swallow them.. it will be much more worth your while once it kicks in.

As for the Hydromorphone, the needle is not the only good option, and telling people to plug this drug as well is stupid. Hydromorphone is best when insufflated and getting up there in the mucous membranes. I used to take 320mg of Oxycodone all at once ORALLY of course, and sniffing 2-3 HydromorphContin 30's at once is much stronger. Oxycodone when sniffed, the B/A ranges from like 41%-69%.. its not worth it.

Thats why there are plans to make a Hydromorphone Intranasal squirter. (Because the drug works so much better this way.) And plugging Hydromorphone is not any stronger than sniffing it.

Not trying to brag here, but I've been doing Opiates now for 10 years straight. Oxycodone was my favourite at first, and still might be my favourite. I could have stayed on HydroMorphone but I would never be able to taper with that drug. Every time, I'm so tempted to snort it, and I always do. When I haven't done Hydromorphone for awhile, and I come across some HydroMorphContin 24's or 30's, and crush them up until a nice fine powder - I get ripped, like really high. Better than any Heroin here locally, thats for sure.

Comparing it to Oxycodone is hard, because I used to gobble down 10 Oxy-IR 20's at once and I would get the best euphoria ever.. (but I don't get that euphoria anymore). My tolerance is too high and its time for me to finally quit these opiates for good so I can get on with my life. Its going to take a few months before I'm down to reasonable dose, and possibly a month or two more to kick the phyisical withdrawals... then the next thing to kick is the benzo's.. that is going to be Hell on Earth. As I have already tried a few times (even once when they admitted me to the hospital for benzo withdrawal and into the psych ward. The idiots only did a two week taper on me) Fuckin morons we have here for our health profession.

My two biggest demons I face for opiates since I don't do the needle are: Intranasal HydroMorphone
Intranasal Fentanyl - short lasting, but holy fuck! Do not attempt if you are an opiate naive person!

My other biggest demon: Benzodiazepines (All kinds) - pretty much everything available in North America, i've had it.

Not trying to dicksize at all here folks, just some information out there for people who like opiates, but don't want to go down the road of injecting.

Then again there is Morphine, which is good for novice opiate users, and the other positive thing about Morphine is it lasts way longer than Oxycodone or Hydromorphone. But pretty much for all methods of doing morphine the B/A sucks. Although I do enjoy eating some Morphine right before I sniff some Hydromorphone (such a wicked body buzz).

Cheers

 

[Cadamec]

Dilles are my drug of choice for pain control. But they are not that good for a "high" or a "rush".

Oxy will give you a better high than dillies. Heroin being the best.

Save them for pain or avoiding withdrawals and just snort them.

Do NOT snort a bunch of them and go drinking. Drink too much on top of too much dilaudid and you might take a permanent nap.

While I had a scrip of Oxy that I wasn't particularly fond of, my friend had some dillies he wasn't fond of. We swapped and were both happy as clams.


Why the fuck are clams so happy anyway???

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

All opiates have their strengths and weaknesses that all depend on tolerance and route of administration...

With hydromorphone I.v.>anal>nasal>oral

 

[pbmaster23]

a little off topic, but im picking up 30 2mg dillies in 2 days. i was wondering what 2mg's of hydormorphone would be equal to in oxycodone insufflated?

 

[Znegative]

If your taking the Hydromorphone orally 2mg is equivalent to approximately 5mg of oxycodone.

Also, I'm going to close this thread. There are too many people that are basically recommending that Hydromorphone is wasted unless injected. While that might be so to those of us who DO IV our drugs, it won't necessarily be for those who don't, because they've never experienced IV drug use anyway. Hydromorphone might be a good rush but it's not good enough to try and persuade someone who doesn't shoot to pick up a needle, and with it, a whole new depraved sort of addiction.

And to those who don't IV, from what I've heard plugging is definitely a worthy way of taking dilaudid.